3 hours ago, cavanami said:

appears this virus is tricky and still not fully understood.

A patient in San Antonio, Texas was released from quarantine and later tested positive for coronavirus

• The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) admitted on Sunday that it released a patient from quarantine who later tested positive for COVID-19. 

• In a statement, the CDC said an individual was being treated at a local medical facility for several weeks after returning to the US from Wuhan, China.

• The patient was discharged after meeting all of CDC's criteria for release but was later brought back under quarantine after testing positive for the disease.

• San Antonio Mayor Ron Nirenberg said in a statement that the CDC's actions were "unacceptable."

  The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said on Sunday that a patient in San Antonio, Texas, who was being treated for COVID-19, was released from quarantine but later returned after testing positive for the disease.

  The coronavirus, which causes a disease known as COVID-19, has spread to at least 60 other countries and has killed more than 3,000 people and infected over 89,000 more. 

• In a statement on Sunday, the CDC said an individual was being treated at a local medical facility for several weeks after returning to the US from Wuhan, China, known as the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak. The person was under isolation for the duration of treatment in the US. 
  
  https://www.yahoo.com/news/patient-san-antonio-texas-released-065714392.html

It's more likely it's killed at least 50,000 in China.  I'll dig up the link but a Professor at the Imperial College London, a renowned epidemiologist says in his opinion in China there are 50,000 new diagnoses a day at the moment.  The Chinese are desperate to cover this up.  They are welding doors shut to buildings leaving people to fend for themselves.  In more influential areas they are knocking the door down, and if anyone has fever, everyone is dragged away kicking and screaming. 

3000 dead - if you believe this bullshit you are incredibly gullible.  Photos have emerged of people lying dead in the streets, hospital corridors.  

It's not just a pandemic, it's a highly political problem.  Not to mention a highly important economic one. 

The current propaganda is it's now under control in China, it's obvious they would want to sell this lie and try to get back to business as usual. 

And Trump defunding the department last year that was meant to help control pandemics like this has made him implicit in the crisis.  With lax gun laws, and #panicbuying, when human to human transmission comes to the States - all fucking hell is going to break loose.  

Now where is that popcorn, this is going to be good.  Fury Road!

7 hours ago, chocolat steve said:

Biden's win won't mean much when all is said and done. Bernie Sanders will own Super Tuesday. 

Biden is an incredible racist.  The kind of guy young and old racists look up and aspire to - from South Carolina perhaps the most racist state in America.  If Biden didn't win there, you'd be wondering what the fucking hell is going on.

Now the media are crowing about how this is Bidens big turnaround.  What a crock of shit - the media showed a tell here.  The thing I look for.  Nothing said about how Sanders pretty much mopped up the entire black vote - which I would have thought far more newsworthy. 

In other news, Bangkok Thai police are trying out a pioneering method of catching traffic offenders and criminals.  Inspired by the effort in Australia with police on bicycles, a Thai intellectual known as 'Boo man', made the remarkable proposal.  Let's combat the problem by employing Thai 'Sprintstables'.  In an exhaustive inductive process, they have to display a rare talent in sprinting and tackling a man and taking them down.  The leadership were kind of expanding their waist lines, those tight fitting clothes and it was thought these sprinting police would be a big hit.  Well great idea.  Of course endemic traffic problems make this idea a good one.  Weird as a gallon of fish sauce mind you; infused in your brain.  Still. 

Thrusting deep inside the news whore, PS news. 

You see,  it was my own idea to take the old man into the forest.  It's not hard to engender a feeling in people, and besides it was for a positive purpose.  Most people just disparage life. 

When you devote your life to saving lives, it is just a way to get on with your own life.  After performing emergency surgery on a young black kid who'd been shot five times in the chest - by the police no less.  He made it, but I very much doubted he would walk away, if a junior had tried to do it.  It involved some rather innovative techniques to save his life.  Thought up on the fly. 

Hey Pan, where do we go from here? 

PS: Do we really need you?  I break some times. But I'm so cold, just cold.  This has broken me - sips a pint of rarefied Scottish whisky.  Feeling better all ready.

9 hours ago, chocolat steve said:

Trump has announced a "historic" peace deal but the nuts and bolts of it is its not. I applaud Trump for wanting to end the war in Afghanistan but just like almost all of his other efforts, the plan and execution is laughable. This deal is no different. There is nothing concrete about it. No accountability. 

This is the real truth about America's presence there. It's America's new Vietnam War. It's unwinnable. Bush fucked up after 911 by making it about getting rid of the Taliban instead of just going after bin Laden. Yes, the Taliban was protecting him, but you focus the effort on getting him specifically. There was a chance to get him early in the war and America did not because of some friendly to America tribes had issues. America was thinking of regime change and needed that tribe. Had it been just about killing bin Laden, then it wouldn't have mattered what they thought. We'd kill him and go home. Staying past that wouldn't have been wise. This is where having neocons works against you. They don't look at situations with historical eyes. They don't look at things with logic and reason. They look at things starting with their desired results and work backwards. They wanted to regime change in Afghanistan, no matter what and worked backwards, instead of looking at the history of Afghanistan and seeing that it has never been conquered militarily. Any historian could tell you that. The only foreign entity to conquer Afghanistan was Islam, and it wasn't militarily. It took over 300 years of being present there, withstanding attacks, being patient and eventually the populace converted. Unless America is willing to be patient for 300 years and withstand the losses, we will never control them. What makes it exponentially more difficult is that the Pakistani secret service helped create the Taliban. It's their 'baby'. 

That said, what should America do? Simply pack up and leave. Take the loss. Is it embarrassing? Sure, but its not worth the cost of lives and money. The Taliban will take over, have human rights abuses, won't care if they do and there is not much America can do about that on its own. Trump does not have the international support Obama and Bush does to form a coalition. He is not trusted, he is not respected and he is thought of as a buffoon. I don't say that with any job. No one wants the leader of the country to have that reputation even if its the opposite party. 

The only humane thing America can do is grant immigration to the people who will face retribution in the form of death. The best America can do is try to exact promises of not taking revenge and also hold a carrot out of trade, assistance if they act humanely. Other than that there is little else America can do. 

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/485188-trump-touts-taliban-deal-ahead-of-signing

If the so called 'peace deal' doesn't involve thrashing the fucking hell out of the Pakistani intelligence high command - it's toilet paper. 

He takes me by the hand and we wander into the forest.

PS:  So I trust you are all good?

OM: Well I've managed to appreciate this forest.  Thanks for planting those dragon fruit, a rather good idea.

PS:  I don't take much credit for that, despite funding it and anticipating the demand for exotic fruit, I suppose and enjoining my family to participate.

Old man nudges me in the ribs. 

OM:  You *were* a tiger in a past life. 

PS:  I wouldn't go that far.  I still can't cure this raving alcoholic addiction I've got going on.  I like working on these kind of projects, I mean if I can lead people, well it would be a waste if I didn't?  Besides it appears to have taken zero toll on me.  Hey you know what, I'm fighting with vanity.

OM: Happiness isn't that easy.  You know I can see you. You're suffering.

I take his hand again.

PS: Are we not all suffering?  C'mon I'll show you the latest plans. Some interesting changes.  I have to go to America next week.  I'm suffering but I'm winning.  Thats all that matters right?

36 minutes ago, chocolat steve said:

MSNBC, CNN, etc. are establishment media. They are run by people who are very, very rich and know if Bernie is elected they will be pressured to give up more money. So I totally understand the anti Bernie rhetoric. They want to keep the status quo. 

And how little does that make these rich people? 

Hey Martha, Martha, Jesus! Martha!!!  Yes what you bloody old fool?  Fox is saying we won't be able to afford that  super yacht this year if Sanders gets in.  They are saying Sander's won't even allow us to have solid gold taps on our Jacuzzi.  Yeah, they're saying we're going to build health and schools for all the those black and poor people we despise.  I mean after systematically stepping on their throats for centuries, they still bloody refuse to go away Martha!. 

1 hour ago, Flashermac said:

It seems to me that the media is being much more negative on Bernie than they were in 2016. Since he was the main alternative to Hillary back then, maybe they liked him better than they do now, when there are other choices.  He was sort of a heroic figure in 2016, going up against the Dem Party establishment. Now he's being reported on as more of an old man with lefist ideas.

 

 

Biden is an incredible racist, the major architect of the so called 'Three Strike law", which incidentally,  yeah get this - after he did everything in his power to stop desegregation efforts, like the busing initiative that was actually working.  And let me see, the Three Strike law just happened to overwhelmingly target the black segregated neighbourhoods. 

Couple that with the fact that Biden is a cretin and is quite obviously in a state of Dementia.  Well if America wants two old racist demented fools competing to run the country - well good luck, I'll happily rescind my citizenship. 

Until then, you don't manufacture photos like posted above.  Trump tries to do it but it's so blatantly obvious it's hilarious.  One black guy in the background cheering, with Trump even referring to him as my black guy!  Goddamn it Trumps advisors must be smacking their heads on the wall.  When we told you he was our black guy - you weren't meant to mention it.  Of course if you tell Trump he's wrong, he'll double down - so he starts to sing to the clouds - he's my black guy!

I mean, I know the GOP did a kind of master class in tutoring Bush, not unlike teaching an elephant to play samba; but this guy really is something fucking else. 

Sanders looks to be doing just fine with the black voters in South Carolina.

My wife woke me up with a hot towel.  I'd been shouting in my sleep.   Remembering the dream,  this land is ours.  I grabbed her by the wrist and said to her in half delerium, we have to defend this.  That day we fired about 20 employees.  They were stealing from us.  Not much, just skimming, but when my wife found out she was devastated.  She wanted blood. 

Listen, anything they stole was something I can earn in a day.  You just made a pretty poor judgement call.  So what did happen to those employees?  They were taken to jail. 

I'm calling to my good friend to get this all reversed.  Wait!  She explained everything. All I can say is fuck me, if you piss her off - she won't just use something tacky, she will utterly destroy you. 

7 hours ago, Flashermac said:

To see who would recognise him. Very few have. It's a test of others' knowledge of notorious criminals. Remember that I am a combat veteran, and we tend to have strange notions of "humour".

Fair enough, I accept your answer.  Although these 'strange notions' of 'humour'.  We all wonder, this crutch, kind of like a walker as Weinstein was dragged into the court.  It's progress.  The media dismisses this #metoo movement in derogatory terms.  Most people smile and think it's a kind of provincial thing.

We're young and we are a coming for ya.  Steve has a a kind of relentless faith in the young.  But it doesn't matter if the young don't care.   The future is owned by people like me.  I own the future.  It will be people like me that will decide the future. They think it's all done and dusted.  Revenge is going to be so sweet.  But I don't really want revenge.  I've often thought this is a fault of mine.  I just can't be angry at anyone for very long.  I've always believed that you have a responsibility to protect people.  

But if you plan to come for me, make sure you bring breakfast treats.  However Muff will be Muff - if you know what I mean.

3 hours ago, Coss said:

K.S. I propose the closing of this thread, or merging of it, into the USA thread. I think tha' one USA/Trump/Russia Troll, thread is enough, wot yer think?

I second the proposal.  Establishing this thread was clearly an adventure that with it's sole mission was to divide.  Containing the discussion in one thread only makes good sense.  Pandemic and all. 

On another note the self implosion of Flash, whilst not unexpected was kind of disturbing.  Muff tells me he's found all sorts of data.  Jesus! Muff!  give me a moment of peace, I'm busy on several projects.  But Pan, you've got to hear this!  Muff, I'm fucking busy!  This latest data dump was a bonanza.  All great breakfast recipe treats. 

I'm reading through them thinking fucking hell. 

4 hours ago, Flashermac said:

 

 

Cav is going to write in Hillary. 

Regarding your avatar.  Don't take this the wrong way, but Earl Lucan was a known murderer and  a Nazi sympathizer.  Why would you associate yourself with this character?  I'm sure there is a fairly good explanation; I'm a very curious person, as you probably have evinced.  I most likely will find out for myself.  Obviously I'm not a friend of Nazi sympathizers.  He used to carry around a battered copy of Mein Kampf, everywhere he went. Trump aped him, It's preposterous to assume Trump read the book, but it took pride of place on his bedside table. 

But I'm sure there is an innocent explanation. 

Please get back to me at your earliest convenience,

Sincerely, Panadol.

26 minutes ago, chocolat steve said:

He's been caught telling a repeated lie about getting jailed for a protest to release Mandela. He's been telling a few practiced lies for a very long time. He's got a history of it. Feel a bit badly for him. South Carolina is the only state he can possibly win and that is now 50/50. I think he'll lose it by a nose. The older black church crowd there will vote for him due to his Obama connection but not the Gen Z and millennial. They will either stay home or vote Bernie. 

I beg to differ, Bernie appeals to all poor people - young or old, black or white. 

Biden has acted like a demented fool in the debates.  Any residual effect of Obama has long, long, been gone.  Most people think of him as a bumbling fool.  It doesn't help that Trump can just keep inflicting damage on him until the cows come home.  And think about that for a moment - can you imagine a Trump versus Biden debate?  Trump would entirely wipe the floor with the ignorant old bastard.  Not owing to any rhetorical intellectual debate, he'd just eviscerate the fool as easily as he eats a cheese burger by confounding him.   

Besides Biden is done, as you say even by some hail mary he won South Carolina (which he emphatically won't) would that make him a front runner?  I suppose it might give the DNC super delegates some sort of excuse to install him - but any chance of that is completely blown. 

Looking forward to Super Tuesday!

It certainly won't be this guy. 

China to Russia: end discriminatory measures against Chinese

China's embassy in Russia has demanded authorities in Moscow end what it said are discriminatory anti-coronavirus measures against Chinese nationals.

The complaint, detailed in an embassy letter to the city's authorities, deplored what it called "ubiquitous monitoring" of Chinese nationals, including on public transport.

Authorities in Moscow have also been carrying out raids on potential carriers of the virus - individuals at their homes or hotels - and using facial recognition technology to enforce quarantine measures.

The letter followed unconfirmed local media reports that Mosgortrans, which runs Moscow's vast bus, trolleybus and tram networks, had told drivers to try to identify Chinese passengers and inform police of their presence.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/02/china-coronavirus-outbreak-latest-updates-200226003835539.html

Well, well, it appears the Chinese are rather affronted by people monitoring their nationals.  They stab their finger in the chest in outrage and shock - it is we that monitor them not you!  

5 minutes ago, cavanami said:

Why do you mention Trump? are you so fixated on Trump that you don't understand that in the USA there must be some governor, senator or congressperson that is much better then the worn out losers that the Dems have put up to be their candidate. Understand?

The reason why he mentions trump my imbecilic friend, is that he happens to be the incumbent in the forthcoming Presidential  election.  Now let's do a 180, I know 360 is pretty popular here but we can always just do another 180.  Surely the GOP can field someone more fit for office then Trump?

6 hours ago, Coss said:

Cav, you're a Moron.

 

Not to mention an imbecile.  I want to play him at something he could conceive of winning at.  I think he's been feverishly plucking away at his banjo, in order to get ready for the duel.  But sadly I think he can't really play the banjo - although all signs point to that being his pedigree.  Damn it!  Sometimes I shake my head and wonder how perverse and cruel the world can be, providing someone like Cav with this amazing opportunity of life, but cruelly robbing him of it at the same time.  

She's dancing in the moonlight, the wind flowing through her hair and she's kind of dizzy and collapses on the ground laughing.  Ethereal, surreal beauty, and the star light enshrining everything.  Nothing will ever replace that memory.  This garden of delight. 

Hey Cav I thought you should know I did you a big favour.  Muff advised French toast with raspberry jam.  

On a side note - I don't know why so many people around me want to use raspberry jam.  I prefer to dissuade people in a rather more subtle matter.   Obviously I could use say a more contrived psychological system - but meh, I mean where is the fun in that? 

When I advised my wife not to set out to seek revenge because it will likely hurt her as much.  It was good advise.  I mean she wasn't any good at it anyway. 

I'm highly competent.  I don't let passions overrule my judgement.  I defer of course to other people's expertise.  If that's what they are good at, then give them everything they need.  I mean the pizza in the basement of DC was pretty good.  Even Muff was chuffed and he is quite a particular eater, preferring breakfast treats. 

Sanders is going to romp home for the win, the modeling is in.  Also a mucker of Muff, a little birdy said Trump is going about trying to find a way to pardon himself in the most indiscreet manner.  Well good luck with that I suppose.  The SDNY already has multiple indictments lined up for the moment he is deposed. 

13 minutes ago, cavanami said:

Did you lie? YES

Do you lie? YES

You sealed your own fate and no matter how you try to spin it, you are a liar and you need to get back on your meds and seek professional help.

Grandiose delusions (GD), delusions of grandeur, expansive delusions^[1] are a subtype of delusion that occur in patients suffering from a wide range of psychiatric diseases, including two-thirds of patients in manic state of bipolar disorder, half of those with schizophrenia, patients with the grandiose subtype of delusional disorder, and a substantial portion of those with substance abuse disorders.^[2][3] GDs are characterized by fantastical beliefs that one is famous, omnipotent, wealthy, or otherwise very powerful. The delusions are generally fantastic and typically have a religious, science fictional, or supernatural theme. There is a relative lack of research into GD, in contrast to persecutory delusions and auditory hallucinations.

This is getting tedious.  I can slap you down all month long.  You just keep posting the same old shit.  My guess is no one ever really called you out before.  Muff has become kind of interested in you.  I don't know how anything like this operates,  I'd advise unplugging anything connected to the internet.  Damn it Muff is already back with a report.  He says waffles have become more popular.  Don't add the blueberries yet, I instruct him.  He said that he's got everything, and I'll be looking over it shortly. 

1 minute ago, cavanami said:

...and your lying deflection continues...you are sad...get back on your meds!

So you are going to persist with this tired old strategy?  That is what is pathetic to me.  You do realize you are a one trick pony?  Let me forward you a new script.  You are not even presentable.  I don't mind doing this - I mean you are a kind of mucker and I think you're failing in a big way.  I can an will.  Strategy, tactics, and talking points.  Much superior to the shitheads currently doing them -- I could give you that my mucker.  I just can't walk past a job site and see it going so poorly. 

6 minutes ago, cavanami said:

Right on cue, the pathetic  liar comes out...you need to get back on your meds and seek professional help. Your issues may well come out during a psychological exam...you may well be suffering from schizophrenia. This is serious, seek help immediately!!!

Schizophrenia is a mental health condition characterized by delusions, hallucinations, and a difficulty distinguishing reality from fantasy.

I will try to do this better. To deal with someone who puts you down, avoid retaliating, even if it's difficult. This will only give the other person the satisfaction of getting a reaction out of you.

Well little man, I see you're projecting again.  The very fact I've got  you riled up by just providing you with facts;  well it tells it all.  Something quite peculiar, when people are so abundantly outclassed that they continue to persist against all odds.   I would say it's a rather common form of masochism.  Don't be ashamed of it little man.  One hint of guidance - no one ever has ever won against me in a game of chess.  I can see so many moves ahead I just can't be beaten. 

I think the banjo duel should go ahead.  It was you that broke the truce.  You can avoid all this by taking the blame - I'll shield you. 

1 hour ago, chocolat steve said:

f the polls look bad enough, we may start a conflict.

I heard through a fellow mucker of Muff, that all the lists have been compiled.  All the Traitor's names addresses, most of their personal data has been put into a database, then distributed into a 'cloud' - what ever the hell that means.  I of course deplore such an invasion of privacy. 

From a brief analysis, most of these people will be dead soon owing to their age.  Their motivation?  It doesn't really matter.  They'll be caught and dealt with.  It's inevitable.   

More important is that if you are one of the few that recognize what is going on; there is no need to follow, I move like a shark in the water. 

I mean, in the Australian outback under the stars I realized hardly anyone really got it, this connection, this spiritual connection with the land.  But we are a coming for ya. 

1 hour ago, cavanami said:

As usual...you dismiss truth and facts as they do not fit your narrative...now that is sad....and ALL IS TRUE. Can you say, cognitive dissonance?

Gaslighting? you brought President Trump in to the Bernie Sanders discussion...that makes YOU the gaslighter (is that even a word) 555

News flash....truth and facts do not require your approval...try again....

Wait until I post the 200+ fuckups of Obummer....

Little man, what now?  I have always assumed you are trying to wind us up.  Haven't changed my mind.  The thing is, you do it rather poorly.  I'll give you a script, but don't make one goddamned move until I call action.  

Picture poor Muff Richardson, working his way through all the obstacles using only his 20 year old computer, but leveraging it by getting it to take command of the world's computers.  Levering the world off it's fulcrum so to speak. 

Often I'll chastise Muff, deploring him,  but he'll often ask my advise.  Wanting me to direct his actions.  I'm a kind of natural leader I suppose, so I asked him about breakfast.  Waffles with creme fraiche.  I was shocked, what kind of fresh hell is this?  Just get back to work Muff, just get back to work.