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  1. Upside down bible, I thought that that, was a Devil thing...
  2. "CS fails to mention the TRILLIONS that Nancy Peloser has pushed thru the Congress" And Trump presumably signed into law. Whilst I am happy to debate Cav, the continuous stream of Spam Trumpanzee utubery is worth ignoring. So bye bye Cav, I've never had to ignore anyone, on here, even if I disagree with them, I am prepared to debate, but Spam is Spam.
  3. Hey Cav, you want be Trump's wife? I see there's an vacancy about to open up.
  4. I won't post them, for to do so would be gainsaying, there are quite a few opinions, happening in this part of the world, talking about how all the big powers are fucked and how our small nation, might be better to band together, with other smaller nations and form a mini EU-like Oceania. On a hunting forum I follow, the boys are now calling the USA, the Excited States of America. And to quote one lyricist, "U.S. , China, Russia, India, Brasil... Fuck off and Fester..."
  5. Because Trump is selling to to them and they're taking it off his hands, so he doesn't become a pauper, for sinking all his dosh into a fad. Putin will keep Trump going for as long as possible, chuckling in the Kremlin as this is written.
  6. *NOTE: Sarcasm is the word that Trumpanzees use when they say something, know it's wrong, but want say it, anyway, so ahh 'sarcasm' right? unless Cav was trying to spell racist and got it wrong also.
  7. 'stole his car " Yeah? I'll see your Trumpanzee squeal and raise you - a news article from the every same publisher:: More protests in NJ remain calm with cops joining and listening https://nj1015.com/more-protests-in-nj-remain-calm-with-cops-joining-and-listening/?utm_source=tsmclip&utm_medium=referral
  8. CS you are quite right, and the world of untended consequences could lead to others, thinking that there is will to mend the divide, sincere or no. Could be a good thing. Now this following is really, posed as humorous and I really mean this, as a piss-take, I wonder if white prats, taking the knee, in the future, will be the new 'blackface'.
  9. Coss

    The Covid-19 thread

    The following is a "worth reading" treatment of, the Covid-19 virus and responses. Should be required reading, as it's from a research scientist at the Mayo clinic. And is written from a USA centric viewpoint. March 27 Research Scientist at Mayo Clinic When will the COVID-19 virus end? You asked for possibilities, so I’ll give you four: TOTAL ERADICATION This is how SARS ended. Despite reaching multiple countries, rapid and severe action by multiple governments cut the case count to zero. Once the virus disappeared from the last human host, SARS was declared eradicated. SARS was about as contagious as COVID-19 and certainly more deadly. But it didn’t have the ability to hide in mild cases like COVID-19 does. If the world had gotten its act together two months ago, total eradication of COVID-19 would have been a real possibility. Today, it is looking very very difficult. It may be taking up residence in rural towns in Africa, 200 miles away from the nearest hospital, away from easy government intervention. So do we just throw up our hands into the air and give up now? That brings us to … THE “HERD IMMUNITY” STRATEGY Historically, major plagues (think Black Death) infected and infected until we reached herd immunity. If half the world has already experienced and recovered from COVID-19, then the virus will have a hard time spreading because it will hit the wall of an immune patient as often as a vulnerable one. This is the basis of the modeling that says 70% of the world will eventually be infected by COVID-19. (Note that these models usually assume that we stand back and do nothing at all, which is the worst case scenario) There’s no question that herd immunity would work. After all, it DID work with the Black Death. But it’ll cost us millions of lives to get there, our hospitals will definitely overflow, and moreover, a vaccine is probably just a year away. We can do better than this. LET’S JUST HOPE IT GOES AWAY IN THE SUMMER This has become popular in certain circles. The flu is seasonal, so maybe COVID-19 will be also? Can’t we hope? There are two problems here. The first is geographical. When it’s summer in the Northern Hemisphere, it’s winter in the Southern Hemisphere. So let’s say you live in Europe or the USA. Even if you don’t care about the people below the equator, they would experience outbreaks during their winter (our summer), and some carriers would inevitably fly back to the Northern Hemisphere around September and we’ll face the disease again. This year it was easy to travel ban China in January, a few more countries in February. What are we going to do this fall? Travel ban the entire Southern Hemisphere? Travel ban the rest of the world two months later when it takes root across the globe? You still have to survive all the way to next summer. The other problem is more subtle and has to do with R0, the basic reproductive number. Seasonal flu has an R0 between 1.1 and 1.5, so it grows exponentially. We don’t have to push it down very far to get it less than 1, where it will decay exponentially (that’s what makes it seasonal). COVID-19 has an R0 of 2 or 3. It might take an R0 beating but still stay above one. This means it would slow down, but nonetheless continue to expand in spite of the added sunlight. ENHANCED SURVEILLANCE AND CONTACT TRACING AS A BRIDGE TO VACCINE I think this is the hope of many developed countries today. It goes like this: declare a national emergency to cut the case load way down, buy time, and raise awareness about social distancing and hand hygiene. Put drive-through test locations in every major city (Korea). Pass a law saying that every hospitalized patient with pneumonia must be tested for COVID-19 (Singapore). And mobilize teams of epidemiologists, preferably hundreds of them, to spring into action once you lift restrictions. Now with this infrastructure in place, you are guaranteed to catch outbreaks before they become large. 20% of COVID-19 patients need to be hospitalized, so even if you are only testing people who report to the hospital you should still catch outbreaks when they are on average five people in size. Once you’ve identified a case, deploy one of your teams. Get the 30 closest individuals to each patient, isolate them all for two weeks and test all of them. If any of them test positive, repeat the process again and grab another 30 individuals. This process of contact tracing is a targeted lockdown. Rather than shutting down the entire country, you shut down a small community of about 30. China found that 85% of transmission occurs in family clusters. By drawing a larger net of about 30, you might stop something like 95% of all transmission. In Singapore, they will call you at home three times a day if you are in isolation, and if you run outside against the rules, they attach a GPS bracelet on you. Sometimes, people get through contact tracing (or arrive from a different country) and you’ll see another outbreak, but you’ll catch it again when this happens. China used this process at scale in Wuhan, having mobilized 1800 such contact tracing teams with 5 or more people each. Oh yes, ideally you do this all WITHOUT declaring a national emergency and closing every restaurant in the nation for three weeks. Countries around the world had time to prepare, but didn’t. We are paying the price now. Keep this up for a year and then the vaccine is ready. Now you can get your herd immunity without sacrificing 2% of your countrymen, and you can go on with your life like nothing ever happened. SOURCES For those curious, here’s further reading straight from the experts. Recommendations from the WHO Infectious Hazards Advisory Group Contact tracing as applied in Singapore Report of the WHO-China Joint Mission on COVID-19 (summary recommendations on page 21) UPDATE March 26: An article in The Atlantic appeared titled “How the Pandemic Will End” that spells out much the same possibilities that I wrote above. The writer picked out three possible scenarios that exactly match mine (except for the “seasonal flu” part, which I mainly wrote as a mythbuster), so if you liked this answer and want more, you can check that out too.
  10. A police officer embraces a protester who helped disperse a crowd of people during a demonstration Monday, June 1, in Atlanta.
  11. Chief of Department of the New York City Police, Terence Monahan, takes a knee with activists as protesters paused while walking in New York.
  12. I see Trump finally got his Military parade, he must be so pleased... President Trump, wheezing through clenched teeth attempts a 'heroic figure' walk. 'Trump’s Re-Election Chances Are Going Down in Flames.' How Trump's Divisive Rhetoric Could Hurt Republicans in November https://time.com/5846311/trump-protests-republican-fallout/
  13. for us non subscribers " Episcopal bishop on President Trump: ‘Everything he has said and done is to inflame violence’ The Right Rev. Mariann Budde, the Episcopal bishop of Washington, was seething. President Trump had just visited St. John’s Episcopal Church, which sits across from the White House. It was a day after a fire was set in the basement of the historic building amid protests over the death of George Floyd in the custody of Minneapolis police. Before heading to the church, where presidents have worshiped since the days of James Madison, Trump gave a speech at the White House emphasizing the importance of law and order. Federal officers then used force to clear a large crowd of peaceful demonstrators from the street between the White House and the church, apparently so Trump could make the visit. “I am outraged,” Budde said in a telephone interview a short time later, pausing between words to emphasize her anger as her voice slightly trembled. She said she had not been given any notice that Trump would be visiting the church and did not approve of the manner in which the area was secured for his appearance. “I am the bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Washington and was not given even a courtesy call, that they would be clearing [the area] with tear gas so they could use one of our churches as a prop,” Budde said. She excoriated the president for standing in front of the church — its windows boarded up with plywood — holding up a Bible, which Budde said “declares that God is love.” “Everything he has said and done is to inflame violence,” Budde of the president. “We need moral leadership, and he’s done everything to divide us.” In a written statement, Presiding Bishop Michael Curry, head of the Episcopal denomination, accused Trump of using “a church building and the Holy Bible for partisan political purposes.” “This was done in a time of deep hurt and pain in our country, and his action did nothing to help us or to heal us,” Curry wrote. “The prophet Micah taught that the Lord requires us to ‘do justice, love mercy and walk humbly with our God,’ ” he continued, calling on Trump and others in power to be moral. “For the sake of George Floyd, for all who have wrongly suffered, and for the sake of us all, we need leaders to help us to be ‘one nation, under God, with liberty and justice for all.’ ” Budde and Curry are among the pantheon of progressive religious leaders who have long been critical of Trump’s political agenda. The Episcopal Church’s policies include supporting abortion rights, refugee resettlement, an expansion of health care and other issues that Trump has opposed or not embraced. According to the Pew Research Center, 49 percent of Episcopalians are Democrats or lean Democratic, compared with 39 percent of church members who are Republican or lean Republican. Trump’s longtime religious allies, who are far more conservative on both domestic and foreign policy, saw his walk to St. John’s much differently. “What kind of church I need PERMISSION to attend,” tweeted Pastor Mark Burns of South Carolina after Budde and others said Trump should have let them know he was coming. “Jesus welcomes All.” Johnnie Moore, a spokesman for several of Trump’s evangelical religious advisers, tweeted favorably about the incident as well. “I will never forget seeing @POTUS @realDonaldTrump slowly & in-total-command walk from the @WhiteHouse across Lafayette Square to St. John’s Church defying those who aim to derail our national healing by spreading fear, hate & anarchy,” he wrote. “After just saying, ‘I will keep you safe.’ ” Trump did not enter St. John’s on Monday evening. No one associated with the church was present for his visit. Andrew Whitehead, a sociologist at Clemson University who studies Christian nationalism, said the president’s appearance was an attempt to promote the idea of America as a distinctly Christian nation after his Rose Garden speech. “Going to the church, not going in it, not meeting with any clergy, holding up a Bible, but not quoting any scripture, after an authoritarian speech, was about using the religious symbolism for his ends,” Whitehead said. “It was a signal to the people that embrace the idea of a Christian nation, that he will defend Christianity in the public sphere,” Whitehead said. “He said he’ll make America safe. That raised the question, for whom? It’s largely for white, mostly Protestant America.” Budde — who spent 18 years in as a rector in Minneapolis before being elected bishop of the Washington diocese — said the Episcopal Church disassociates itself from the messages offered by the president. “We hold the teachings of our sacred texts to be so so grounding to our lives and everything we do,” she said. “It is about love of neighbor and sacrificial love and justice.” Following a tradition set by President Franklin D. Roosevelt, Trump attended a service at St. John’s before his swearing-in ceremony in 2017. He visited the church again that year to mark a national day of prayer for victims of Hurricane Harvey and in 2019 on St. Patrick’s Day. Budde said she learned he was headed back to the yellow, 19th-century building on Monday by watching the news. “No one knew this was happening,” she said. “I don’t want President Trump speaking for St. John’s.” The Rev. Robert W. Fisher, the church rector, said he felt blindsided by the visit. Usually, the White House gives the church at least 30 minutes’ notice before the president comes by. “We want St. John’s to be a space for grace, as a place where you can breathe,” he said. “Being used as a prop, it really takes away from what we’re trying to do.” Earlier in the day, Fisher said, he and other clergy were outside the church handing out water bottles and granola bars to protesters, and expressing solidarity with their cause. He said he left the area to be interviewed on television about the damage from the fire the previous night and later watched images of the protest being dismantled “with disbelief.” Fisher, 44, became the rector of St. John’s in June 2019 and has not yet hosted a presidential visit. The church usually draws about 400 people on a typical weekend. But it has been closed since mid-March due to the broad shutdown restrictions in place to combat the novel coronavirus. Damage to the building from Sunday night’s fire and vandalism will cost at least $20,000, Fisher said. But he said the destruction should not become the focus of what has been happening in the streets outside the White House. Fisher said that when people have talked about the church being burned, he has tried to redirect them, saying it was likely one person who does not represent the majority of people protesting. “That has pulled away from the more important message that we have to address racism in this country,” he said." https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/bishop-budde-trump-church/2020/06/01/20ca70f8-a466-11ea-b619-3f9133bbb482_story.html?fbclid=IwAR13l6QteGLzXXGf1oNZiJIp3v-1lrhn4Ne4kQ_6RpiaNM36FJCvbLlWsaQ
  14. Get one of your entourage to carry a jesus phone and do it for you?
  15. Coss


    Straya, 'merica for beginners...
  16. It would not surprise me if Donald's friends, the Russians were behind that one. _____ CS you'll forgive me if I think that "Also, it will get ugly. " is here already. I'm seeing coverage of Police and Secret Service and Military looking troops, mistreating and shooting at (rubber bullets or pepper bullets) protestors. Also, clearly identified, not protesting, Media, -photographer blinded with a bullet, - lotspepper sprayed, some in hospital with wounds. This Terrible. ----- I just now watching as peaceful protesters were forcibly cleared from in front, of the White House and from the Lafayette Park, so Trump could do a 'theatre' walk to a nearby church and waffle on about how he is gonna take action, Big man Strong man, I'm surprised he could walk that far, he'll be tired now, time for a sit down and a cheeseburger.
  17. Much better to kneel on people's throats eh Cav?
  18. And I'm hesitant to post this, but in the interests of balance: Here's Donnie! Squinting at the teleprompter.
  19. Black Lives Matter marches: Thousands of Kiwis peacefully protest against racism Even Kiwi's are protesting the Wanky Yanks. Interested? use the Google lever.
  20. I saw a uTube last night, that showed a Middle Aged White guy, get out of his car and draw an arrow on his compound bow, in the middle of protests, in Utah. The protestors variously smashed him in the face, upturned and trashed his car, the police took him away. The only footage of the guy speaking, was him saying "all lives matter". Cav would probably have you believe that this was an innocent, who was attacked for exercising his 1st amendment right, to threaten someone with a lethal weapon. I would prefer to think that the old fuck was upset when he couldn't drive freely through a crowd of protestors and rather than smile and say "Good Work" to the young'uns, he chose to point, killing weaponry, at young people. Fuckwit, no idea, if he was left or right. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-31/bow-and-arrow-george-floyd-protest-america-unrest/12305092
  21. DC Mayor Muriel Bowser Bowser, a Democrat, said on Twitter the city's police department would protect everyone regardless of whether the mayor agreed with them. "While he hides behind his fence afraid/alone, I stand w/ people peacefully exercising their First Amendment Right after the murder of #GeorgeFloyd & hundreds of years of institutional racism. There are no vicious dogs & ominous weapons. There is just a scared man," she wrote.
  22. US President Donald Trump taken to underground bunker protests outside White House: US President Donald Trump was moved to the White House's underground bunker Friday night to shelter in place for a period of time as the protest grew outside the Executive Mansion, according to multiple outlets. The protests over George Floyd's death hit the nation's capital Friday night as angry protesters arrived at Pennsylvania Avenue, leading to a lockdown at the White House. Outside the White House on Friday (Saturday NZT), Secret Service could be seen after 7 pm taking at least one person into custody. How that racism working out for you Donnie? Tangent: The phrase "When the looting starts, the shooting starts" dates to 1967, 'Miami Police Chief Walter Headley' a famous racist, a racist's racist. Could it be that Steven Miller and or Steve Bannon, are casually tossing racist phrases, into their conversations with Trump, knowing that he'll use them, because he's too dumb to think about what he's saying? And to dumb to know where common tropes are from?
  23. Cav once again demonstrates his complete lack of understanding. In comparison, In NZ we have one police force, nation wide. But that would not be a good thing, for Trump to get his hands on, in the states, you'd end up with Thailand's ménage à trois , Police/Military/Politicians
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