TheCorinthian

Not taking sides against you, chap, but you would not know it from the BMW and Merk and Honda plants in the Southern US..... All less than 20 years old. And the BMW place in SC just announced plans to double in size. Which shoots your assumption all to hell.

Once again, bull-fuckin'-shit. Before claiming BS, this stuff should be very easy to cite from known sources including C-Span. Yet I dont see where anyone has found it or your counter claims. (I have not looked as I think both of you are missing the big picture and focused on minute matters of order. ("Order" as in "Robert's Rules of Order"))

But wait, there is not a flat out probation to other threads about the US. I see 5 on the first page alone. Just made a new one myself.

If you want. But if you read just my posts, which are not very long esp compared to some, you will see that I am for health insurance but not a law that makes you a criminal if you dont have it, nor that will force a small business to either fire employees or go out of business.

Not if you read the previous statements by me and others over the past say five pages.

Make no mistake, I am not debating the merits of any legislation, I am just pointing out what the effects of it have been that you apparently did not know about. Do I think people should have health insurance? Sure. Do I think the over all good is served by forcing small business to fire people to stay afloat and comply with the law? No. BYW, that is wrong. The penalty is enforced coverage per employee. So for 10 about $45,000. Huh? How do you not read these things? The 1099 is filled out by the owner!!! At "one every $600 vendor" would be a serious pain, but any good owner will have those records.

The USA tax rate probably is higher. It was easy enough to look up. Germany is much higher due to the VAT.

Real world: Restaurant owner has to provide health insurance to all employees if he is over a certain number. (25 I think, not sure.) Lowest quote came in at about $1.5k per person per year. At that level, if 30 people are employed, restaurant pays 45k off the bottom line for ins that it was not paying before. Result: If this is a small establishment, restaurant fires enough employees to be below the standard. One guy I know said he thought he might be able to do it and survive but was not willing risk it so he fired 10 people and became his own cleaning crew and host staff.

What is Germany's tax rate?

BKT...have you had your water well tested for lead lately? HH Good question.

I personally have no idea what if anything the GOP offered to the bill. All I do know is that I have 2 friends with small businesses (Restaurants) that had or will have to fire people to comply with the law and stay in business.

You've been in BKK too long. (Lucky duck!) A child would have to buy or be given the car and drive it to have to buy insurance. If I take the tag off my car and turn it in (Called "de-registering) I do not have to have insurance. With the health car law, you have to have insurance no matter what you do. There is no exception.

A child the age of 2 has no requirement at all to buy car insurance from anyone. A child the age of two has a legal requirement to buy health insurance from a private company.

Actually next to nothing does. As to your example' date=' you have to own or drive a car to "have" to have ins., so there are millions of people that are exempt from it. [b']With the new health care law.... you just have to be alive to have to buy insurance.[/b] Exactly the same thing. If you have a car, you must buy insurance. If you get sick, then you must buy insurance. Nope. Before you at least had a choice... Now, you have to buy insurance if you at all draw breath. This is the only and first law that makes you pay for something for the simple fact that you are alive and if you dont, makes you a criminal. As was said in a recent ruling.... "Never before has Congress required that everyone buy a product from a private company for the simple fact of being alive."

Actually next to nothing does. As to your example, you have to own or drive a car to "have" to have ins., so there are millions of people that are exempt from it. With the new health care law.... you just have to be alive to have to buy insurance.

Nope. None of it was "virtually impossible." Re read your Sun Tsu. No one was even looking for an attack like that. That makes it very likely

No. You have been watching too many movies. No. If you believe this you have never worked for a large company as a junior guy. Again, you are watching too many movies and projecting that to the real world. The problem was the focus of the FBI was on other things. Nope. Naaaaa.... Mathematically?? Huh? Please show me this math. Absolutely it could happen. Everything that does happen... could. (And a lot that just has not... can.)

A few points: Who ever you were speaking to apparently knows next to nothing about the US System, but that is not surprising, and got most of that from movies. The CIA reports to congress, specifically to the Committee on Intelligence and since 2004 the DNI. It is not true that they answer to "just one man." In fact, nothing in the US does that except for maybe some small companies. Even the president answers to the people as is evidenced by the one term presidents we have had and the extreme 180s of power we have now seen twice in the past 3 years. Does the CIA fuck up? Hell yes. But everyone does that. The Dept. of Education and the Public Parks people screw up all the time, the difference if the expectation. It is just not fair to expect perfection esp in this area. Add to that that the group can not even announce a success, and anyone would look very very bad in public light. The US MIlitary has mistakenly killed more people in the past 10 years than the CIA ever has in its history. But many of you that have been in the military know that yes.... we fuck up. It is almost never the intention. Things just fuck up sometimes and we try to learn and go forward. And when malice is shown, there is a huge investigation that convicts way more people than it ever lets go free. Again, this happens in CIA too... you just dont hear about it. (Take any of us, only talk about the bad things you have done and none of the good and our neighbors would hang you from a light poll.) I know about 20 serious and former serious players in this area. I know of 4 that have been ruined (Jail, financial penalties, cant get a job except at McDs) and deservedly so for over stepping their bounds. But again, the problem is that you still cant talk about it because that puts other operations and methods at risk. I disagree. The system really broke about 1990 and 9/11 was the result. The system did not break on 9/11 because if it had worked before that... 9/11 would not have happened.

Funny thing, he was acquitted of that!

"Testified" means to give evidence in court, under oath. Bill did not do that. You're kidding right?

I dont think Ron ever actually testified. Has any president? The way I look at it is, delay them coming home a few hours or a few months for what? Ron in office? No way. Ron was unpredictable and willing to blast you cowboy style and let everyone know it. Carter they could trust to do as little as possible. That's another counter, Iran had more to GAIN with Carter than with Ron.

I never said there was / were any in 2003 and after. I just said our sensors keep detecting traces of it. In some areas we had to take the batteries out to get them to shut up. But I did say, and can show you photos of buried jets. So I would not be around when they dig the foundation to your summer house in Al Abnar!

I lean toward the Hostage thing being a non starter for one very good reason. There was tooooooo much to be gained by the Dems bringing it out in the 1984 election. If it had been true, they would have done it and Mondale would have whooped ass!

I'll get back to the hostage thing. For WMD in Iraq, they for sure did have them. We have a few burned out northern villages as proof. Did they have them any more in 2003? Not sure. I say that because our sniffing machines went of constantly in some places and never in others. So there was something there at some point in the recent (as in a year or two before the invasion) past. Saddam buried fully working Mig's in the sand. No telling what else might be out there.

That's why I want to see facts.