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  1. Police Clarify Delay in PAD Cases 16 July 2010 The chief investigator for the cases against the People's Alliance for Democracy has explained to the group's attorney that police can only call in two to three suspects for testimonies each day due to concern over a mass turnout of the group's supporters. Attorney to the People's Alliance for Democracy, or PAD, Nitithorn Lumlua traveled this morning to meet with deputy national police chief and chief investigator for his clients' cases Police Lieutenant General Somyos Phumpanmuang to request that a larger number of suspects be called in to acknowledge their charges rather than the current two to three people per day. Members of the PAD have been charged with crimes related to their rallies at the Don Muang and Suvarnabhumi airports. Nitithorn also asked for an update on his previous request for investigations to be more fair and for a new chief investigator in charge of the cases. The PAD lawyer stated that only about 12 members of the alliance have been called in to meet investigators but assured that none of them was charged with terrorism. Warrants for the cases have detailed that 36 of the 79 offenders would face terrorism charges. Once all of them are summoned, Nitithorn will hold a meeting to ensure proper legal proceeding. Somyos assured that he is carrying out the summoning process under due protocol. He explained that his gradual approach is being used in light of heavy support each of the charged individuals is expected to receive. He added if all the 79 are to be called in at once, there could be commotion from the gathering of their sympathizers. The deputy police chief stated that if the PAD is cooperative, the process should be concluded by August 6. thailandoutlook.tv
  2. will the BKK POst do a similar expose of the Yellow shirts funders otherwise the public will smell a rat , a large double standards rat
  3. the king of Brunei has done much more to improve living standards for his people .
  4. they have some sort of affluence paid for by daughters on the game ,without that they are dirt poor in most cases .prostitution keeps them afloat
  5. UN calls for Thai clashes inquiry Page last updated at 17:14 GMT, Monday, 31 May 2010 18:14 UK Thai worker cleans in Bangkok Protesters destroyed a shopping centre as their rally came to an end The UN has demanded an independent inquiry into recent unrest in Thailand, when more than 80 people were killed in clashes between security forces and protesters. UN rights chief Navi Pillay said the guilty must be held accountable. Opposition MPs have accused Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva of committing violations by ordering the army to crack down on the protesters. Their nine-week protest paralysed parts of the capital, Bangkok. Many of the dead were protesters killed when soldiers moved in to dismantle their fortified camp in the city. The government has repeatedly blamed the violence on "terrorists" it says infiltrated the red-shirt protester ranks, attacking police and soldiers. 'Deep regrets' The "red-shirt" protesters arrived in Bangkok on 14 March and occupied key parts of the capital, demanding that the government step down. Attempts to negotiate a political solution failed and on 19 May Thai troops entered the protesters' sprawling camp to end their rally. Ms Pillay said an inquiry was needed "to foster longer-term political reconciliation". "I urge the government to ensure that an independent investigation of recent events be conducted, and all those found responsible for human-rights violations are held to account," she said in a speech in Switzerland. In response, Thailand's UN envoy Sihasak Phuangketkeow said an independent commission was "being set up". "The Thai government deeply regrets the loss of lives and injuries that occurred, and is committed to bringing those responsible to account," he said. Meanwhile, Mr Abhisit came under renewed pressure on Monday as the parliament debated a censure motion against him and several ministers. The opposition Puea Thai Party, broadly seen as supporting the red-shirts, accused the prime minister of using excessive force. Although the government has a big enough majority to see off any no-confidence motion, analysts say the televised debate has become a focal point in the battle for public opinion.
  6. Raising a Red Flag in Thailand By Hannah Beech / Khon Kaen Monday, Jun. 07, 2010 ENLARGE PHOTO+ Passions that ran high before the May 19 military crackdown have yet to cool ERIC GAILLARD / Reuters Dabbing a ball of sticky rice into a fiery green-papaya salad, the lady in red blinks back tears. The waterworks aren't from the chilies that give the food of Isaan, Thailand's rural and impoverished northeast, its signature kick. "I am mourning my fellow protesters who were killed by the government like vegetables and fish," says the 50-something native of Chiang Yuen district, referring to the six weeks of battles in Bangkok between Red Shirt demonstrators and security forces that claimed 85 lives in Thailand's worst political violence in decades. "Watch out," she says, issuing a warning that belies her demure manner. "People are going to go underground and fight with arms. This is the beginning of a very long war." On May 19, as government troops launched a final, deadly offensive to clear out protesters from their central Bangkok encampment, Red Shirt leaders tearfully surrendered to the authorities. But in Isaan, the rice-growing plateau where the antigovernment movement draws its most fervent support, no white flags wave in the dusty air. Anger and defiance are the emotions of the day. Accepting the government's plea for national reconciliation there is as unlikely as meal without chilies. In the city of Khon Kaen, a billboard on a main road is emblazoned with a doctored photo of Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva, his aristocratic features bruised and battered. Even more chilling, everyone from matronly teachers to small-business owners is openly calling for armed insurrection. "I fear Isaan is going to become a base for an underground movement against state power," says Sutin Klungsang, a former member of parliament for a party aligned with Abhisit's nemesis and Red Shirt spiritual mentor, former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra. "People are filled with hatred, and we must be prepared for a campaign of terrorism." (Watch TIME's video "Bangkok Before the Surrender: Inside the Red Camps.") How did the Land of Smiles turn into such a nation of hate? Thailand likes to project an image of a cohesive country that triumphed as the only place in Southeast Asia not colonized by Western powers. But revolt has marred Thai history for centuries  and the recent past is no exception. Over the past few years the country's southernmost provinces, where the majority of residents are ethnic Malays, have been plagued by a shadowy Islamic insurgency that has killed more than 4,000 people. Isaan, an ethnic Lao stronghold that makes up one-third of Thailand's population, was the lair of communist guerrillas during the 1960s and '70s. Both regions are now among Thailand's poorest. "To ignore the economic fault line in Thailand and the possibility that this conflict may increasingly be expressed in ethnic terms," says David Streckfuss, an American academic based in Khon Kaen, "is to ignore what's threatening to tear the country apart." An Unbridgeable Divide The latest battle lines were drawn in Isaan in 2006 when a military coup dispensed with former Prime Minister Thaksin. The telecom billionaire of Chinese heritage might seem a curious hero for a population of up-country farmers and laborers. But Thaksin, now living abroad rather than serving a corruption-related jail sentence, unveiled populist policies that won over an untapped voter base. Villagers in the north and northeast adored his 30-baht (roughly $1) health care plan and mountains of easy credit  and conveniently ignored the corruption and human rights abuses that took place during his administration. When Thaksin was ousted by the army after months of rallies by Yellow Shirt protesters largely drawn from Bangkok's middle and upper classes, Isaan went into a quiet shock. In the first postcoup elections, rural voters, who outnumber their city cousins, ushered in a Thaksin proxy party. But in December 2008 a controversial court decision forced the dissolution of that party because of electoral misconduct. Abhisit, an Oxford-educated economist, came to power through parliamentary dealmaking. Hundreds of thousands of Isaan residents began to don red shirts. (See pictures of the showdown in Bangkok.) The crimson-hued protesters' central demand was fresh elections they believe forces loyal to Thaksin will win, just as has happened in recent national polls. But antigovernment crusaders also added lofty ideals of democracy, equality and justice to the mix, and the movement quickly coalesced into a force that sent wave after wave of protesters down to Bangkok. In political classes held across Thailand's north and northeast, Red Shirt leaders delivered Marxist-inspired lectures on class warfare to wide-eyed farmers. It didn't matter that those tending Thailand's rice paddies aren't a starving bunch. Most own cell phones, some even shiny pickup trucks. But they and other rural residents saw the wealth of Bangkok  the glittering malls, the bejeweled women slathered in skin-whitening cream  and wondered why such wonders were beyond their reach. For the upper echelons of Bangkok  some of whom impugn Isaan natives as "buffaloes" who migrate to the capital only to work as maids, vendors or prostitutes  the Red Shirts' organizational discipline was as mystifying as it was menacing. Today, with up-country passions threatening to turn into an armed underground movement, the Bangkok elite has true cause to be alarmed. Arson unleashed by renegade Red Shirts in the hours after the May 19 crackdown destroyed Thailand's stock exchange, its largest mall and several Bangkok banks. Since then, dozens of schools and other buildings have been attacked across the country. Grenades explode at night. With the Red Shirts' national leaders detained without bail, no one knows exactly who is directing the terror campaign. "The government has forced us to put down our hoses and pick up guns instead," says Sa-at, a rice and cassava farmer who took part in the Bangkok protests. "The land will go up in flames." It's possible that such incendiary rhetoric will diminish after the last Red Shirt bodies are cremated and farmers return to their fields with the advent of the rainy season. But even Bangkok  like the nation as a whole  is bitterly cleaved between Reds and Yellows. "The divisions run right through society: through communities, families, workplaces and even government offices," says Bangkok Governor Sukhumbhand Paribatra, a member of Abhisit's Democrat Party. "You can't put any cost on the psychological damage that has been done." (See pictures of the violent end to the standoff in Bangkok.) On May 23, there was at least one rare show of unity. Thousands of Bangkok residents both poor and rich scrubbed down streets decimated by weeks of protests, fighting and looting. Sukatkul Aroonchai owned a DVD shop inside CentralWorld, the megamall torched by rioters. "I lost everything in the fire," he says, "but I want to help society heal, and helping with the cleanup is one small way that I can do that." Lingering Resentment Such fence-mending does not resonate in the Red Shirt heartland. After all, Bangkok residents' grief for a burned-out mall  one Facebook page called "RIP CentralWorld" collected thousands of fans  dwarfed any public lament for the Red Shirts killed during the weeks of urban street fighting. The government's decision on May 25 to charge Thaksin in absentia with terrorism  a crime that can be punished by death  will only further inflame Red Shirts, who continue to insist that nothing but the government's immediate resignation could begin to quell their anger. Early on in the standoff with the Reds, Abhisit promised elections in November in return for protesters leaving Bangkok. When the Red Shirts refused, the offer was rescinded and Abhisit now says that polls can only be held when calm returns to Thailand. That's not likely to happen anytime soon. "In the future, it will be very dangerous for the Democrats to campaign in Isaan," says former parliamentarian Sutin. "Their safety cannot be guaranteed." Even moderate Isaan residents like Charoenrak Phetpradab, the editor of Isaan Bizweek, can't see a way to bridge the two sides. "I've discovered there is no middle ground," he says. "It's hopeless." Traditionally, up-country Thailand would be set ablaze in the winter to clear fields. Now the fear is that the land may burn year-round.  with reporting by Robert Horn / Bangkok Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1992244,00.html#ixzz0pLysaatG
  7. you obviously dont spend much time upcountry in isaan area ,just ask anybody and you wont find any yellows but a rabid hatred of the present lot and gleefull smiles at the mention of Thaksins name. if you mention his shortcomings they are glossed over and he is still the good old boy that everyone loves .
  8. When Dissent Is Criminalized When Dissent Is Criminalized Thailand's Red Shirts have done nothing more than express their opposition to the ruling party. For this they have been labelled terrorists.... Over the past two months, Thailand’s Abhisit regime has opened fire with live ammunition on the Red Shirt pro-democracy demonstration in Bangkok, killing at least 88 of its own citizens and injuring more than 1,800, including foreign journalists and onlookers. In a desperate bid to escape international condemnation for these unlawful killings, Abhisit is trying to paint the demonstrators as terrorists and enemies of the state. Many around the world are not fooled. Writing in the Financial Times, David Piling said, “Attempts to portray the tens of thousands of mainly poor Thais who took to Bangkok’s streets as ‘terrorists’ or paid mercenaries of [former Prime Minister] Mr. Thaksin simply do not wash.†The world saw for itself that the vast majority of pro-democracy demonstrators were peaceful men and women of all ages camped around the central stage area, while those fighting at the barricades were mostly armed with primitive weapons. Journalists around the world have been firm in setting the record straight, noting the lopsided nature of the clash. “The Red Shirts were massively outgunned,†reported Bill Schiller in the Toronto Star, noting that most of what was seen were slingshots, fireworks, Molotov cocktails, rocks, and a few small arms. However that doesn’t mean the government still isn’t pushing hard to sell the terrorist narrative as a justification for possible human rights abuses. This past weekend diplomatic delegations were dispatched to key allies bearing photographs and slick multimedia presentations of an alleged arms cache that they claimed to have discovered days after clearing out the protest camp – a time during which no third parties were allowed to enter this zone to confirm the discovery. They’ve also issued a warrant for the arrest on terrorism allegations of former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, whom they claim is the mastermind of the Red Shirts (disclosure: I represent Mr. Shinawatra as legal counsel). Many factors undermine the Abhisit regime’s terrorism claims: the government has consistently resisted international mediation requests from the protestors, which would in theory corroborate such claims; they have obstructed the work of journalists (one correspondent for the Times of London was detained at his hotel, while many others were seemingly targeted during the siege, including two seriously wounded Canadians – Nelson Rand and Chandler Vandergrift); they’ve shut down hundreds of websites and media sympathetic to the Red Shirts while launching charges against student leaders and academics associated with the movement; and lastly, no one is able to explain how so many local and foreign correspondents inside the Red Shirt camps for weeks failed to record the presence of serious war weapons. Some observers point to the parallels between this attack on the Red Shirts and the massacre of 46 student protestors at Thammasat University in 1976. As happened then, the government is portraying the protesters as evil criminals and enemies of the state, while their control over the media allows for the stirring up of hate and public tolerance for violence against fellow Thais. In the aftermath of Thammasat, it was later discovered that the Thai military had planted a big weapons cache on the students after the fact to justify their actions. The criminalization of Red Shirt protestors as terrorists is even more dangerous than a simple excuse for violence – it is a focused measure aimed at reducing their basic rights to defence, attorneys, and trials. Of the more than 40 protest leaders who have been arrested, the government has refused to disclose their location of detention, the charges against them, or their health status. The government has declared a state of emergency since April 7, allowing them to arrest whomever they choose without charges and hold them in non-conventional facilities – which raises concerns, alluded to by Human Rights Watch, over possible torture or mistreatment. The authorities say that thousands of Red Shirts have been provided with transportation back to their homes, but so far no one has been able to verify who was taken where. These accusations of terrorism against the protesters have been made easier by the existence of real crimes on the fringes of the demonstration. The so-called “Black Shirts,†who have no relation to the peaceful spirit and stated principles of the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD), have likely been involved in illegal activity and should be arrested and prosecuted before a court for their crimes. Those responsible for the terrible acts of arson that affected more than 20 buildings in Bangkok, including massive damage to the Central World shopping mall, must be investigated and prosecuted for their crimes. But these isolated activities on the lawless fringes represent the outrage and frustration of misled individuals, and have nothing to do with the non-violent political change espoused by the UDD, much less any conventional definition of terrorism. There is also a perception on behalf of the Red Shirts that the legal system is unfairly biased against them. When activists of the pro-government People’s Alliance for Democracy (PAD) illegally occupied and shut down Bangkok’s Suvarnabhumi International Airport in 2008, not one of these protestors was ever investigated, charged, prosecuted, or jailed for this crime, and in fact the current foreign minister was personally involved. The conduct of the Thai authorities is not that of a victim of terrorism, but rather the behavior of someone who has something to hide. The invention of new crimes to cover up older ones is not acceptable in the contemporary context of international law, and this crass manipulation must be openly discouraged by outside parties. The Red Shirts risked their lives and suffered considerable casualties because their democratic choices and popular will had been repeatedly disqualified and stolen. Until that central grievance is addressed, all other accusations are only distractions. The international community must ask Thailand to uphold the rule of law and basic procedural rights for citizens who have done nothing more than express their opposition to the ruling party. At a minimum, the Abhisit government has a duty to disclose the location of the prison camps and the conditions for the detained protesters, confirm their access to legal counsel and the basis of the charges against them, and grant access to international human rights monitors to ensure fair treatment of the detained Red Shirt leaders. Robert Amsterdam is international lawyer to former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra and advisor to the human rights defence team of the UDD.
  9. Rural Thai "red shirts" vow to keep on fighting Martin Petty (Editing by Bill Tarrant) Friday May 21, 2010 CHIANG MAI (Reuters) - When hundreds of jubilant demonstrators flocked to Chiang Mai's train station on Friday to welcome fellow "red shirts" driven out of Bangkok, the message was clear -- their fight is far from over. A masked Thai soldier walks with his weapon through the area where clashes with anti-government "red shirt" protesters took place, in central Bangkok May 21, 2010. (REUTERS/Damir Sagolj) Peace has been restored in the capital after the worst political violence in modern Thai history left at least 53 dead and more than 400 wounded in six days, mostly protesters. The red shirts appear to have been crushed, their leadership has collapsed and their reputation is in ruins. But the military force that drove them out of Bangkok has given the mostly rural and urban poor movement a bigger reason to renew their anti-government campaign, raising the spectre of more conflict in Southeast Asia's second-biggest economy. "Many of our people have been killed, but we are not defeated," a red- shirted demonstrator said on a megaphone to loud cheers from the crowd in Chiang Mai, a northern red shirt stronghold which was ravaged by rioting on Wednesday. "We did not lose -- we will start a new fight," he bellowed, followed by the crowd's defiant chants of "fight, fight". Family members embraced the hundreds of protesters after their 14-hour journey from the capital. They waved flags, played triumphant music and held up placards condemning Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva, whom they called a "murderer". In the hometown of the red shirts patriarch, the ousted former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, authorities dismantled two protest sites and an emergency decree is in force to halt any gatherings. But many people in Thailand's second-biggest city are angry. The use of force to quell once peaceful protests that spiralled into anarchy seems to have emboldened them. Abhisit and the military have won the battle, but they have not won the war, they say. "We will never give up -- never, never," said Dow, 36, who like many red shirts here gives only her nickname because of fears of repercussions. "Someone has to pay for what happened. New leaders will emerge soon and we will start again," she said. Bangkok's urban middle class might have reason to think the red shirts are finished but analysts believe otherwise and say the polarisation and level of hatred is greater than ever. DANGEROUS RIFTS Abhisit has yet to address what will be done to heal the dangerous rifts that have driven Thailand to the brink of civil war. He vowed on Friday to go ahead with a reconciliation plan, but it is not known whether the red shirts will play any role. Finance Minister Korn Chatikavanij said on Friday an election may be held in November, more than a year before the government's term in office ends. Any concessions to placate a movement seen by many Thais as a violent and illegitimate mob of rioters is sure to prompt outrage among Abhisit's supporters and elite backers. But attempts to sideline the powerful red shirts could trigger renewed chaos. Many of the protesters who left the train on Friday had sought refuge in a Buddhist temple next to the encampment while gunfire and loud blasts echoed outside. Six people in the temple were killed, including a nurse treating the wounded. The government said shadowy "terrorists" were to blame for their deaths but the protesters seemed to blame the military. It is unlikely the truth will ever be known. El, 52, was one of the protesters who fled the Bangkok encampment when the red shirt leaders announced their surrender on Wednesday as the military advanced, shooting into the air. Her younger brother was shot in the head and died next to her in chaotic night-time clashes with the army on April 10 that left 25 dead and more than 900 wounded. She waited anxiously to see if her older brother, Yongyuth, a red shirt guard who battled the army on Wednesday, was on the train from Bangkok. He was nowhere to be seen. "I have lost one brother and maybe another," she said, her eyes welling with tears. "There was a chance for peace, but Abhisit changed his position, I don't know why. After this, if the protests start again, I will go, for sure. We all have something to fight for." thestar.com.my
  10. yes we are looking at urban warfare going on for a long period with car bombs and all the other guerrilla warfare .they arent just gonna pack up and go home ,its a long term instability problem. the hatred runs deep especially after their man was shot in the head ,he is a martyr and a figurehead. the whole thing has been badly handled but then they fear elections as they will lose for sure . a Pandora's box of trouble has been opened ,just to add to the troubles in the south
  11. but we are not talking about the USA ,but a supposedly cheap destination where you can get a woman for the night for very little.thats the way it was some years back until they got greedy . i can screw thai gals in London for the 3rd of the price of a gal in thailand. nice lookers with good bodies and no stretchmarks . for 30 pounds you get a screw and BJ .
  12. it gets worse .2 days later i went back to the same bar and spoke to anther gal and the BF had risen to 800bhts and she wanted 3000 ST !they dont appear to know there is a global economic crisis ! lady drinks are 200 -250 depending on bar .
  13. lets examine the prices, theres 700baht bar fine ,thats 14 pounds ,then 45 -65 pounds for the gal ,then drinks on top ,you wont have much change from 100 pounds .er thanx but no thanx . thailand the cheap destination ? excuse me while a stifle a hollow laugh ...
  14. cruising cowboy last nite and the bars are empty, few punters around,the prices are a major obstacle in these hard imes of poor exchane rates.the whole system was evolved in the boom years but now its so seriously out of tiuch with reality its hard to see how they can prosper,if prices were reasonable i wiuld have spent 1000s but its just not possible now
  15. a pal of mine has a GTG she is in the property business ,she has been to the UK embassy and easilly gets trip visas without any trouble . she has done this 3 times and every time she delays her visit for some reason .she has just done it again from January to February . it doesnt look good for him ,a sex worker would have done the trip and been and gone but he is stuck with this curious and strange woman .
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