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  1. Not you, OH. Past threads. And I seriously doubt he would deny it. If you REALLY need, I'll go back and look. Here's what I think. Bear with me for a few minutes. Lets say, the Jerry Garcia was still around and the Grateful Dead were still touring. And for whatever reason they got banned in Arizona and a few other places. So Jerry, prior to the election, has a map with crosshairs on states where they're targeting incumbents -- endorsing his fans to vote against them, so they can resume touring there. Then there's a tragedy like the one that's just happened, done by a guy who isn't even a dead fan. Do you seriously think OH -- or you -- would come out and try to implicate them the way they're going after Palin? Having a map with crosshairs on it isn't that bad. It's trivial. And you guys are trying to blow it up ad absurdum. Palin is guilty of being annoying and many other things. And there is an increase in hostility, obviously, in American politics. So, there's no need to enlist in a witch hunt, you've got plenty of real problems that need attention.
  2. In the case of people that do horrible things to kids, I wouldn't have a problem with them getting torture. I've read Dershowitz's thing before. It was a hypothetical conversation that yeah, made waves. There's a big difference between a guy saying that hypothetically, if it were a case where x lives were at stake (x = a lot), and it was necessary to save them, it could be justified -- and the blanket way you wrote it Chuck. As if torture was OK for political prisoners, etc.
  3. HH, I'm seriously considering going conservative. Oh, and I love Chuck's proclamation of Dershowitz an endorser of torture now. The irony is, Palin sucks already. But you guys do exactly what you're accusing the other side of doing with these ridiculous claims. Nice.
  4. Yes, it IS reaching. You guys are seriously unfucking believable. Her rhetoric is not logically the same as Metzgers, and if you construe it as such.... yeah. I could probably dig up several of your palin hating posts and twist them to something you didn't intend. And then turn you into the authorities like a good little sheep and say your logic is 'just like Metzgers' You disappoint OH. Metzger. Get the fuck outta here.
  5. btw - Where have you been Robaus? Missed your provocations! I wonder if you guys would hold yourself up to the same standards you (seemingly) want to apply. Intent and context, they don't matter -- what does matter is the strictest and most noxious interpretation of possible meanings. We'd have to delete 3/4 of the forum. I don't want none of you fuckers touching my posts!!! Ps. A lot of stuff coming from the right is mean-spirited, hateful, and utter garbage (no offense Hugh). But Loughner is not where you want to make your case. OK?
  6. Rush Limbaugh evolved from a kind of obnoxious one-sided but skilled orator who was very good at getting under the skin of his opponents, to someone who let his growing influence get to his head. It's stupid, sad, and annoying. And btw - I think there is a legitimate problem when people are receiving threats. That is over an acceptable line. It still doesn't make a case for this eagerness to connect Loughner and Palin. Unless you get really really abstract and shit. And then you're thinking like a Loughner.
  7. Yes and no. Meant it bigger than that. Her critics tried to shut her down and twist the message into something it wasn't. Not that hard to do. I'm glad she was able to impact the world. In a more sterile environment you might not have some of the more hateful political personas, but you wouldn't have the Patti Smith's either. And seriously, all this stuff about cross-hairs on a political map and tying it into a schizo killing someone, is reaching. I don't like the militant attitude of the far right on a lot of things, but the efforts made to link all these things together is a bit of a stretch. Might as well shut down the Beatles because Manson thought Helter Skelter was his cue to murder.
  8. Hey BT, not sure why you're replying to me with that one sir. The Loughner case looks like WYSIWYG, this guy lost connection with people and his thought process... just fucking bad. I'm not a clinical person who could make a diagnosis, but it's not difficult to see he's 'nuts,' in the bad way. In reference to Palin - I watched the video on her facebook page and it was dreadful. I liked her better when she was goofy and getting played by the media -- now you can see the grooming behind the scenes and canned commentary. Typical stuff that means little. Hugh, it def looks like she's gearing up to run. Who knows how that will all be orchestrated with the 'machines' (about which I'm pretty ignorant anyway). Anyway, I grow weary of talking about Palin. Posting the Patti Smith excerpt above was vague, but I think Chuck gets it. If you start sterilizing speech, you'll kill a lot of beautiful things along with the stuff you don't like.
  9. 'Baby was a black sheep baby was a whore well you know she got big and she's gonna get bigger baby got a hand got her finger on the trigger...' - Patti Smith [on the Dave32 top 10 of all time, btw] Do you like the world around you? Are you ready, to behave?
  10. For a long time I wrote that as "tow the line." While I'm not one of the fellas concerned much with grammar (obvious) -- I even corrected people on a few occasions who - correctly - wrote it as 'toe..'. The burden of shame is not an easy one to bear. Or is it bare?
  11. BTW - that's what I think too cock-dude. Per slate magazine, Alan Dershowitz is now chiming in: "The term “blood libel†has taken on a broad metaphorical meaning in public discourse. Although its historical origins were in theologically based false accusations against the Jews and the Jewish People,its current usage is far broader. I myself have used it to describe false accusations against the State of Israel by the Goldstone Report. There is nothing improper and certainly nothing anti-Semitic in Sarah Palin using the term to characterize what she reasonably believes are false accusations that her words or images may have caused a mentally disturbed individual to kill and maim. The fact that two of the victims are Jewish is utterly irrelevant to the propriety of using this widely used term." ["Dershowitz has been described by Newsweek as America's "most peripatetic civil liberties lawyer and one of its most distinguished defenders of individual rights."[1] He was named a Guggenheim Fellow in 1979, and in 1983 received the William O. Douglas First Amendment Award from the Anti-Defamation League for his work on civil rights.]
  12. Quick interruption. Palin isn't electable, sure she has her hard-core constituency, but amongst the fence-sitters.... uh uh. Ain't going to happen. Hence the Republican party will be facing an enigma the next election Hugh, and I'm fairly confident in that prediction. Palin will hurt them as much as or more than she helps them. And if they run her, it will split them. I'll most definitely back that on a wager. Note: While I really don't like her platform, I find Palin interesting, and not all in negative ways. If only some of her positions weren't so f'd up...
  13. I know you're being cynical, but I lean a lot more towards blameless myself opposed to those trying to target Palin ('target,' haha, get it?), unless you're going to hold us all culpable. I don't see any malicious intent there or anything even comparable to OH's comparison to Metzger. Still good to have these conversations though and think about what influences people and why. And acknowledge.... hmmmmm. I need to think about this still. Way too much coffee for me today, I'm waiting on a new assignment at work that will dictate a lot of things for me the next several months (and whether I come to LOS for a year next March, or just for a few months...now). I need to go chill. Anyway. btw - Here's a Wiki-leaks tale for you, kinda cool. Appeared in the LA times supplement a few days ago. May ring a little close to home for some of the expats -- a man caught in limbo in a foreign country, a limbo that is turning bad quickly. 75 year old Iranian (Persian) dentist, in the US since he was 10, goes to visit his parents grave. Arriving in Iran, his troubles begin... (and this came out, of all places, in the wiki-leaks release, great story if you read the entire thing): Link : Dr. Hossein G. Vahedi is a 77-year-old Los Angeles dentist. For decades, he has led a very private life. Until November 28, when WikiLeaks publicized its first batch of 250,000 classified State Department documents. Among them were U.S. Embassy cables from Ankara, Turkey, to Washington, D.C., written in February 2009 on Vahedi’s behalf. They essentially said this: “Refused permission to return home to the U.S. after visiting relatives in Iran, Hossein Ghanbarzadeh Vahedi, 75, undertook a daring secret trek over the mountains to Turkey and turned up in Ankara asking for help.†In a follow-up, it was said that Vahedi’s getaway was made on horseback over snow-covered mountains patrolled by armed border guards. In the wake of the WikiLeaks release, news organizations around the world have been clamoring for details, but Vahedi himself has not spoken. “I can tell the story only once,†he says today from his son and daughter-in-law’s home in a hillside section of Brentwood. “It is too difficult to relive. The memory makes me feel sick.†Before I meet with Vahedi, my mental picture of him is a cross between John Wayne and James Bond. Instead, he looks more like a violinistâ€â€soft-spoken, with white hair, bifocals and graceful hands, which makes it all the more difficult to imagine him atop a horse, switchbacking along icy cliffs."
  14. Yeah, I think Coen Brothers' films are off-key and they appeal or they don't. Critics raved about 'Barton Fink' and I fell asleep, thought it was over-rated. This one didn't build momentum for me until the point where the Jeff Bridges character and the young girl were staking out the two bandits in the shack about 2/3 into the film. From there I was hooked in. But even in the way they laid the foundation -- what with the girl bartering down the old salesman and her recruitment of the Bridges character to her cause -- I thought it was well done and made me laugh. I can see where some would see tedious moments there though. Coen Brothers always followed one standard Hollywood formula (the good guy wins) up until 'No Country for Old Men.' I actually took a date to that movie and she hated it. I went back to see it again a week later. Trying to see what they were doing with that story. It was a bold film and it was powerful.
  15. Thanks. Best piece I've read re: this mess. Interesting snip: "After Loughner apparently gave up drugs and booze, "his theories got worse," Tierney says. "After he quit, he was just off the wall." And Loughner started to drift away from his group of friends about a year ago." I've always ascribed more horrors in the world due to fucked up beliefs than alcohol intake.
  16. 187 (as slang and pop culture reference) has become almost as universal as 'dude,' well - maybe not THAT much, but it's ubiquitous now -- interesting reflection of the times? Incidental, I don't even perceive that much disagreement in this conversation. I think that one side says that speech, whether inflammatory or not, doesn't bear the brunt of responsibility for an individual acting out in violence and taking a life. The other side is saying, that yes - while it may not bear the brunt of responsibility -- these things can influence people and it should be recognized/indentified. Common ground? LK does have a tendency to belabor the point.
  17. Alright, finally saw true grit, didn't disappoint. Kind of a cross between Fargo and No Country for Old Men. Didn't take itself as deathly serious, but it had its grim moments. And Jeff Bridges plays a cold-blooded killer with a conscious. Or something like that. Typical of the Coen brothers -- it took these kind of strange characters you generally wouldn't like at first glance and had them doing heroic things. (And vice versa). Anyway, excellent film.
  18. Ping Chocolate Steve: Auburn 22, Oregon 19. BCS champs. What a beautiful fucking game. Can you believe the over/under was something like 74? I don't bet often but was soooooo close to putting a large wager there, damn. I didn't think Cam's game was THAT good. Not pro level. It looked like he took a big hit in the fourth quarter and was rattled. Number 90, Fairley, defensive line -- poetry in motion. Alright, back to the other stuff.
  19. Everyone in CA praises UCSB, but when I go there, it's just a bunch of boring white-collar folks traipsing around pretending to be hippies as they cruise in the new Mercedes. Nice beaches though. Yeah, let me add ---> to me, media outlets like Limbaugh and Daily Kos are same same. No give and take, no compromise, we are the good guys -- the other side is evil. The irony is, 'liberal' and 'conservative' doesn't even mean much now -- there's so much overlap and grey area. Actually reading your post indicates that maybe it's always been like this? I dunno. As misplaced as some of the idealism in the 60s may have been -- at least then you knew what you were fighting for. (I think).
  20. I think it's necessary to have a hierarchy of values to navigate through life with. I'm not talking about the militant 'family values' being enforced by the evangelicals. So when I say an increased sophistication of the audience, I mean they're at a state where they can critique from a wider perspective. There are a lot of areas where I prefer America to Europe. Political discourse isn't one of them. At school I did see a Politically Correct environment putting a stranglehold on dialog, and at that time guys like Limbaugh made me smile -- though I hardly ever agreed with him, enjoyed seeing the shit stirred. I think these guys were almost a backlash to the whole PC thing. But, I stopped listening during the last presidential election after hearing 3 consecutive days of absurd attacks on Obama's wife. Enough. For whatever reason, our political dialog is getting a lot worse, not better. And guys like Limbaugh, whom I enjoyed at one point, have become caricatures repeating the same 'liberal this, liberal that, liberal liberal liberal...' ad nauseum. There needs to be some iota of common ground and mutual respect. As for video games, I wish the shooter would have been at home playing one instead of on the street with live ammo.
  21. Hmmmm. That's a bit of a slippery slope. Do you honestly think that Limbaugh and Palin want their constituents audience to gun down congresswomen in the streets? Their vitriol and bullshit should be identified for what it is, you're right about that -- but holding them personally responsible for a murderer, whom we still know little about, because they use terminology like 'cross-hairs' (referencing a gun sight)? No. It's the same as the guys that wanted to prosecute Marilyn Manson and outlaw video games after Columbine. What's needed is an increased sophistication of the audience, not a sterilization of media. Even the bullshit media. I used to get a chuckle listening to Limbaugh at Uni. You could call me a lib with an identity crisis. I hate political correctness. And I didn't like the Clintons (though I'd take them over the Bush dynasty any day, anytime). But still I suppose I support most liberal ideals. Not all. Anyway, Limbaugh's show has degenerated and the stuff that was coming out during the last election just made me turn it off. They do need to tone it down and it does influence people. But not on the level of murder. Meh.
  22. Work with a few RNs from Scotland. From Dingwall and 'Kyle of Lochalsh'? Something like that. One of them is extremely hot, the other two... not so much. And when they start talking gibberish I can't understand a word. But, they're all cool as fuck and they do good work. These are the people you would want administering your care if you were in a bad spot. Cheers to Scotland.
  23. "True Grit" revisioned by Joel and Ethan Coen comes out Wednesday and that's the first film I'll have gone to a cinema to see since 'Inception.' When I go. And I will. And looking forward to it. The brothers have taken a turn serious since 'No Country for Old Men,' which I put in my fucking top 10 of all time. Damn, that shit was good. Fargo, Big Lebowski, O Brother Where Art Thou? -- seen each several times now and get a boner every viewing. Thank you God for the Coens.
  24. Yep. (I know one word posts are kinda lame, but sometimes they're just so.... appropriate)
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