Guest Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 Dude, totally awesome post ! If such girls want foreign men to share their lives with then they should have pursued that when they were studying abroad in farangland. If it didn't happen then, what on earth makes them think that it will happen in Thailand? It smacks of a sense of entitlement that I find utterly replusive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khwaimaisabai Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 Iuytrede, Totally agree with everything you say. Well done to put it so clearly and succinctly. Khwai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.. Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 So let's analyze this post that so many (OK, 2) like so much... "I don't like Thais (or Chinese or Mexicans) who speak English with me. I rather learn their language." Maybe they want to practice their English. Why is your desire to practice your language skills more important than theirs? Pretty arrogant. I, on the other hand, am a pragmatist. I'll speak whatever language gets the point across the best and easiest. If small talking, I find myself switching between languages that all parties speak cuz it's fun for all. "I don't like Asians who have studied abroad or are "internationally oriented". They usually think they have Western values - which they don't, but they are not real Asians any more either. Never had good experiences with them. I prefer the real thing, be it Western or Asian." Hmmm. That's pretty generalized and I cannot buy that. What is "the real thing" anyway? People are a product of their experiences/environment, so they are all different. But my experience is that I prefer to hang out with expats, no matter what their home country may have been. Expats have a much more balanced view of the world and can easily see through the political propaganda bullshit so pervasive in every society. They also are more likely to have been there, done that. I like that. But of course I have been an expat for 16 years. I am a stranger in my home country and dislike it immensely if there for more than a couple of weeks. Why? Because most occupants of said country are ignorant to anything that happens outside of the little area that touches their life directly and seriously averse to taking risks. Boring & dangerous attitude to me. "I don't like upper class people a lot, and certainly not upper class people from poor countries. I think they are repulsive." Why is that? Because they are successful? I am a borderliner socialist, but I still do not begrudge folks who have made it. My inlaws are some of the finest folks one can meet. Very philanthropic, ma-in-law is a Khunying and yes, the family is loaded. I do get to meet Thais in that strata due to the association (including two of the Princesses who are outstanding individuals as well) and found that most are nice, genuine people. But yes, some hi-sos are repulsive in their attitudes toward folks of lesser means. But they number no more than in your home country and are certainly no more repulsive. "I prefer normal girls (who cannot study abroad)." Up to you. It's a (mostly) free country. Silly and narrow-minded if you ask me, but you didn't. "I don't care whether a girl I date has a university degree. Especially in Thailand, where a university degree tells you all about her family background and nothing about herself." I know many driven students who are in it for themselves as much as for the family honor. But even if true, that is important, knowing about the family, that is. This is Asia, where the collective is more important than the individual. You said you liked Asia. This is the main point of being Asian vs Western. Can't have it both ways. "I don't like people who have a good job. Normally translates into 'boring workaholic, no time for love and fun'." You need to get out more. My friends are all business owners, senior management, etc. Nobody parties harder or has more fun. But yeah, we work a lot. And that's OK, I don't have to piss and moan about spending 4K baht in an evening on Soi 33 bar. I can do that in an hour. And usually do a couple of times a week or more. Wifey & I can fly to Sillypore just to eat chilli crabs when we want. We can go to concerts or see shows at the Bangkok Playhouse. We travel with our daughters showing them what the world has to offer (it's a great place -- I recommend to all to go out & see it). That is fun to me. But then again, I do not know what you call fun. Maybe I am just a boring workaholic "I don't especially like old virgins (ie virgins over 20). Please get your first lessons from someone else, I really don't appreciate being a tutor." I agree here 100%. It is not that I don't appreciate being a tutor (I actually enjoy that very much), but I just have no interest in teaching that subject. Too selfish. "I feel funny when Asians tell me they are Christian. Still have to meet one who says this and really knows what he/she is talking about." Asians in Asia I agree somewhat, but don't really care. Up to them to choose what opiate soothes their soul. I have met several Asians in the States who were very Christian and could talk the game well. But they were ABCs, 3-4 generation, so as Chinese as I am (i.e., not much). Ever consider that Asians prolly think the same about Westerners who claim to be Buddhist? "I like normal girls - but that's not what you are describing." Your post says to me that you are a control freak. I am saying that is the nicest possible way, so don't get too angry. But you seem to like to be in charge and do not like to learn from others -- you like thing your own way and that's it. Per your definition, a normal Thai girl must be one who: doesn't speak English (even tho' it is taught in grades M4-6), comes from a poor family, not ambitious enough to go to school, never been outside of Thailand, doesn't work or has a menial job, slept around and has no interest in other religions. Seems like someone who would be easily moldable to your future specifications. That's pretty narrow search criteria for a mate, but go for it if it makes you happy. We will certainly never cross paths as I would not search out anyone with those traits. Not that I would dismiss them for having those traits either, but I prefer to take each on their own merits. Regards, SD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 >> OK, I'll bite. Per your definition, a normal Thai girl must be one who: doesn't speak English (even tho' it is taught in grades M4-6), comes from a poor family, not ambitious enough to go to school, never been outside of Thailand, doesn't work or has a menial job, slept around and has no interest in other religions. << Suadum, I was about to warm my fingers and to give Iuytrede a similar answer. I could not have done it as good as you did. I definitely have great problems with the view of English-speaking (I like to speak English and I see no reason to learn a third world language I can not use anywhere else when I am not living in the country), education (I have a master in Computer Science and of course it is interesting to exchange and share thoughts with a partner on a above 12 yo level) and job (I am a workaholic for myself and I still have my time for sanuk). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaad Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 Maybe they want to practice their English. Why is your desire to practice your language skills more important than theirs? Pretty arrogant. I find it arrogant that your reply is primarily based on the fact that two posters enjoyed iuytrede's post. I don't have to piss and moan about spending 4K baht in an evening on Soi 33 bar. I can do that in an hour. And usually do a couple of times a week or more. Wifey & I can fly to Sillypore just to eat chilli crabs when we want. We can go to concerts or see shows at the Bangkok Playhouse. We travel with our daughters showing them what the world has to offer (it's a great place -- I recommend to all to go out & see it). That is fun to me. This is not a competition about how much one's able to spend an hour or week. In my world the people are the ones who provide fun, not money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BelgianBoy Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 Zaad, Its a free board, and once you have posted your opinion or your view on a specific subject, it is subject to criticism. I appreciated iutrede's view, but do certainly not underwite it, and yes, I did enjoy suadum's reply on the same subject. Cheers ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.. Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 "I find it arrogant that your reply is primarily based on the fact that two posters enjoyed iuytrede's post." Up to you. I only read his post because they replied. I missed it the first time 'round. Had they not posted, I would have likely never seen it. "This is not a competition about how much one's able to spend an hour or week. In my world the people are the ones who provide fun, not money." When someone makes a stupid & hypocritical statement like not liking people with good jobs, I have to say something. Iuytrede would never be able to come to LoS if he did not have a good job, unless he was a member of the hi-so class that he despises. Either way, hypocritical. Yer right, it is not about money. I should have phrased it better in the original post. Money only gives one access to more choices. I can have equal amounts of fun (but different types) on 300 baht a night or 30,000. No big deal if one can't afford someplace -- not ashamed to admit that I can't afford every place here. There are options available here for all income levels. That is one thing that is supurb about LoS. Cheers, SD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iuytrede Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 You are twisting my words. There is no point in arguing with those who live on the side of power and money. But please don't tell me that you really believe your wife is a normal Thai girl: she belongs to a very small minority in this country, she is an exception. We definitely see the world from a very different perspecive. Only thing we seem to have in common is 16 years of expat life. :: BTW there is a middle ground between being a virgin and "sleeping around"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardinalblue Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 2k1, Yeah, i am just amazed the availability of GTG who have little or no relationship/sexual experiences. Maybe they do have unreal expectations as they wait for Mr. Right to come along. The problem is the supply is so large of available GTGs with or w/o any experience and only a few really ever get to meet any falangs who are suitable for their tastes. If you remove all the sex tourists and the ex-pats who really don't want a permanent gf or having too much fun in PFP area, it leaves a very small market of available and qualified guys (at least from how GTGs view it). For guys who are looking for a relationship and don't reside/work in some capacity here, I really think these dating services are the best bets. One just have to be patient and put the time in to meet a number of girls and find someone who is compatible/good chemistry. I have met a number of nice girls through a couple of services that i tried. Though i am not sure they really represent a good sample of the thai working female population. While most of the girls are very nice, many are using them as a vehicle to a better their life and a better lifestlye. Nothing wrong with their objectives but one will not find a well diverse group. Most are poor yet many have university/college/vocational degrees but still are unable to find monetary riches nor opportunities within the thai econ-social structure; hence turning to dating services for greater opportunities and more options....... Cardinalblue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limbo Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 No Iuytrude, There's no twisting of words here, it's you giving a a few more shades of colour to your original post. My wife studied and yes her dad paid, is he rich, by no means but 2 of his daughters have uni education. So what is normal than, my wife is special to me, but in a larger view, she's pretty normal and not poor??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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