Guest Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 Thanks to Khun Sanuk for allowing us to post this. Lots of info out now...some correct and some simply wrong. The laws could be tweaked some more but this is what our legal staff feels its looking like now for March 1st. If you are in the Zone, a restaurant with live entertainment can be open till 1.a.m. You must however have a business license. The government fee is 30,000 Baht and our legal fee is 3,900 Baht. The restaurant must have this license by March 13th. If you have a pub or disco (music with customers dancing) you can be open till 1 a.m if you are in the Zone. You must however have a business license. The government fee is 50,000 Baht and our legal fee is 3,900 Baht. The pub or disco must have this license by March 13th. Nightclubs and bars (No dancing by customers) can stay open until 2am, in the zone. You must however have a Business License. The government fee is 50,000 Baht and our legal fee is 3,900 Baht. The nightclub or bar must have this license by March 13th. Outside the zone: restaurants with live entertainment or hostesses, pubs, discos, nightclubs and bars must close at midnight. You cannot obtain a business license. If you serve alcohol, the license is 1,650 government fee and 3,000 Legal. If you serve food, the government fee is 800 Baht for a 200 SQ.M+ restaurant and legal is 3,000 Baht. Restaurants that don't have live entertainment or "hostess" can sell beer 24 hours in the zone or outside the zone. The restaurant must have food sales receipts substantially higher than alcohol sales. It can not have a bar in it and look or feel like a "bar." The decor must be a restaurant with tables. A food license is required. The restaurant must have an alcohol license as well if they sell beer or wine. Government fee for food license (200 SQ.M+ restaurant) is 800 Baht and the alcohol license is 1,650 Baht. Our legal fee is 6,000 for both or 3,000 for either food license or alcohol license. If you own a Food Mart, outside the zone, from midnight till 5 a.m. you cannot sell alcohol. The alcohol license is 8,250 Baht and the legal fee is 3,000 Baht. Any other questions, please feel free to post or e-mail our legal staff. Greg Lange Managing Director Sunbelt Asia 02-642-0213 www.sunbeltasia.com info@sunbeltasia.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 Great Post Greg. Hope they don't amend or change the rules too many times on you now that you have got it figured out. :hubba: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 So in your opinion then are places like Gullivers stuck with the midnight close as although they are restauants, they are ; a) have too great a booze to food % look too much like a bar, although a restaurant. I presume the food/booze ratio is on Sales............. so maybe we'll get places drastically lowering the drink prices to get their % in line for a licence :: (actually saw this done in some draconian jurisdictions in Canada. owners made up for it by having a cover charge at the door.) I'm sure there will be some creative solutions tried in Bkk and elsewhere. Great fodder for board postings. :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 a) have too great a booze to food % They do a fair amount of food now... so they may be ok. Then again know alot of guys like their cold and cheap beer. :: look too much like a bar, although a restaurant. IMHO, on the one side they would be ok for a restaurant but the pool tables would not be a strong bonus point that they are a restaurant. The other is if the freelancers were enjoying a meal and not looking like a hostess on the prowl, this could be ok. Maybe offering everyone some inexpensive som tum will work. :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chanchao Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 > Maybe offering everyone some inexpensive som tum will work. No: Expensive Som Tam. Remember the food percentage!!! Girls could get a 'welcome fee' of 500 baht but are then forced to buy Som Tam at 480 baht. Effectively the same as 'free som tam'. ;-) Actually: > Restaurants that don't have live entertainment or > "hostess" can sell beer 24 hours in the zone or outside the zone. That is pretty awesome if true. I can even imagine some places getting food sales during the day and then do liquor sales only after-hours. Problem in Thaland though is that food is so much cheaper than alcoholic drinks. (heh, never thought of that that as a 'problem'. ;-) In any case it offers oppurtunities a-plenty to circumvent the laws.. Like sell a beer but write a tab for an ice-tea or pineapple-fried-rice.. Would involved some degree of police cooperation, but that's pretty much a given. Cheers, Chanchao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 Greg, Can you provide any insights on what the opening times may be for bars etc. Is the rumoured 9pm opening time for bars outside the zone likely to be a reality? Also any idea what the deal will be regarding daytime trading? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 Does a karaoke machine count as "live entertainment"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khwaimaisabai Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 LaoHuLi said:I'm sure there will be some creative solutions tried in Bkk and elsewhere. Hi lhl, Years ago I used to visit Dublin a lot. There was a whole street there (can't remeber it's name) with late night bars. They opened late because they were all restaurants according to their licence. When they had a police raid, baskets of chicken and chips (cold, and old) would appear on every table while the staff searched for the key to unlock the door and let the police in. Interesting times ahead. Khwai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 21, 2004 Report Share Posted February 21, 2004 Is the rumoured 9pm opening time for bars outside the zone likely to be a reality? Also any idea what the deal will be regarding daytime trading? Sorry, I don't. When we hear more next week will pass it on. We did manage to find out the requirements on getting a new business license that was introduce January 23rd... it's no walk in the park. By the way, three of our lawyers went to or called different police stations to ask on openings and the police are in the dark as as most people. They said, "next week, we'll know" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlazingStarz Posted February 21, 2004 Report Share Posted February 21, 2004 Sunbelt - there was a story in the papers that these new laws were supposed to be approved by the cabinet on 16th Feb, do you know if that ever happened as it was mentioned the laws could not be enforced until this was passed ? Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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