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Yea....Nigel does bring it all home, doesn't he? Although not his intent.

 

I hope no one thinks he is an isolated case, either. It's just that he has a camera crew to show the reality. In truth, he does little more than the rest of us there. Most here buy Thai prostitutes, and have their way with them. So does he. He just puts it on film, and shows the rest of the world what he is doing. Is it any different from what we do? NOPE.

 

The only thing I find disturbing, is the abscense of condoms....but maybe that is a good thing. Maybe can wake up many, who choose not to use, and slap some members up side the head of where the girl they were with, was last night.

 

Taking advantage? Of what? Girls willingly selling themselves every night? Taking advantage, would be to bring them into the business, and then exploit them. These girls are already in the business, and are simply willing to have camera's, lighting, and a script presented to them, for a large amount of baht.

 

They are not doing anything they do not do every night (if lucky). So Nigel is a scum for what he does? Or simply because he sells his experience?

 

IMO, that's what we got to ask ourselves. He screws B/g's. Same as we do. So what?

 

The 'so what?' for me, is that he puts it on tape, and puts on the internet. But I have to question a b/g not knowing what is going on with a camera crew dictating her/their every move. Exploiting them, by showing the reality of what they do every day? In real, it is simply showing reality, as it exists there. Any of us can buy 3 girls within 1 hour of reaching BKK, and experience the same. Nigel did not create this. He is simply selling the curiousity the world wants to know, about how it is there.

 

The problem I have with him is his non-use of condoms. The "chaining to the bed" type of stuff, is just text, but I still have a big problem advocating anything like that, even if not shown.

 

Don't get me wrong. I think him a total slime ball, caring of nothing, but making a buck, an endangering the lives of all of us. But let's put into the context of where it should lay. We don't film it for the internet, and I hope most use condoms here, but beyond that, he does little else than screw BKK prostitutes. Is he that much different than many of us here?

 

HT

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As my number of posts confirm, I don't post much on this board, but I found this thread so interesting I had to chime in.

I don't think I could have said it any better than High Thaied did and I agree completely with his statement. As another poster in this thread stated there's "a lot of hypocrisy on this thread." Indeed! Looking in the mirror can be difficult for some. Especially when they see their own reflection. One can attempt to build an argument to make this a "he, not me" situation, so one can feel better about one's self. But when you boil this issue down to its core, very, very little separates us from him. As HT points out, seeing his barebacking action should be seen/taken in a positive light to remind guys about the inherent risks in this form of sanuk and what type of activity really often happens when BGs and punters get together. Naturally, many guys deny they go bareback during sex. Sure, there are probably a small percentage of guys who can make this statement truthfully, but for most of us, including me, we can't truthfully say that. For a long time, I was a selective barebacker, rolling the dice from time to time when I was with a girl I liked or with one whom I had spent several days or weeks. Of course, there were also those times when I was drunk and didn't give a damn and plowed ahead without a single thought about my action. How smart is that kind of behavior? No need to answer that question, right? I finally wised up and have changed my behavior, but it wasn't easy to do. This little rant, if you want to call it that, isn't intended to be some kind of sanctimonious sermon. On the contrary, it's intend to reflect the hard truth that banging BGs barebare is much easier to do than not to do and without a little forethought and resolve, we won't always make the right choose. I'm not so full of myself, either, to think or to say that I will never go backback again, because I know the nature reality of making such a statement is just setting me up to fail. But I have looked at myself in the mirror so to speak about this salient sanuking issue, and I feel good about that fact, which I feel is more than most guys in the scene have done. Thanks for the post HT.

 

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p.s. For those of you who might want to reply and say something to the effect, "how dare you imply that I and others on the board don't use condoms when we have sex with BGs and are thus acting irresponsible when you don't even know us," here will be my reply to such posts. If you can stand in front of the mirror, look at yourself, and know you are doing the right thing. Good for you. In that respect you can feel good about your behavior. But in the end, you are still only marginally better/different from Nigel in behavior. As with all personal opinion, I may be wrong. So please take my opinion with a dash of salt. Hope it does burn too much, though!

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I still respectively say to you fellas, that the issue with this bloke is not that he makes porno videos and pictures etc and publishes his sexual exploits with Asian females on the internet or whatever, if you look around, lots of others do that too and publish it on the net as a kind of trophy for all to see, that's up to them and I really don't have such a "high-horse" to preach from and am not attempting to be so richeous, but really, he does the whole thing obviously to make money out of using them commercially, many of his subjects would have little idea of the gross explotation that they were subject to, and this bugs me. It's a bit similar to the commotion about the decapatation murders of civilians in Iraq recently - what is the more gross? The actual act or its publication to the internet for all to see? I dunno. And if you made your beer money from the exercise of publishing some poor persons explotation and it is all about explotation, don't yet see his videos with highly-paid supermodels. If these (not all, but many perhaps) girls in the videos were exploited in an Asian sweatshop making runners everyone would be up in arms and offended - but put them in a porno video and this is ok? :beer:

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Ah, you don't like it because he (or rather, the web site owner) is making money than the girls from it? So you're anti-capitalist? (though I've seen you post on creating your own company!)

 

I wouldn't be (and am not) "up in arms" along with those anti-globalisation idiots about Asian 'sweatshops' either, my view being that they're generally given opportunity to enrich themselves by these businesses. The fact that the business owner gets more out of it than they do doesn't enrage me at all. (Actually, maybe that's why you started your own company - you can't stand the possibility that an employer might be profiting more from you than he's paying!)

 

Maybe some of the girls in question don't really care about being on the Internet (maybe taking the risk that no one they care about will ever see them) and so they're actually grateful for the extra money?

 

So, it'd be OK for you if the bar girls started their own company and marketed their own porn on the web, taking the profits for themselves? Looks like you could have yourself a nice little ethical business opportunity there, seeing as you know how to set up a company cheaply! (18,000B seemed pretty cheap to me). Soiled Cowboy Enterprises Ltd, a new age company with full employee share ownership ::

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Haha, look out soon for the Asian hardcore videos on the Suk Rd stalls with the SC label branding...no, not really, with me as the star, they would fall under the Comedy category with woeful onscreen performances :doah: :doah: :doah:, will leave it up to the experts. With the company setup, it's been the only time that have ever received an invoice that included 200 baht * X times for Thai whiskey...things happen a lot more quickly and smoothly in these regards if the "wheels of beauracracy" are lubricated. TIT:grinyes: :grinyes::beer:

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all this talk of hypocrisy seems trigger happy.... judging by the posts punters here mostly consume 'live' sexual services from consenting adults...while the notorious character produces porn ( I believe)....apples and oranges aren't they

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Well, I'm not all that confused, it's as clear as mud.

You, I take it are a "consumer" of nightlife services...so am I, and so is this person we speak of. No problems there, and wouldn't dare to slag-off at anyone for this as would have to serve it up to myself first. Roll-up, roll-up, everyone's a winner. But, I guess that both of us just enjoy it for that, and leave it at that. Some others are different, they want to film etc their exploits, collect souvenier panties etc, for personal use, no problem here. Some go a step further and want to put their artworks on the internet, with both parties in full knowledge. No problems here at all, if that's your cup of tea. But, to knowingly and enthusiastically and probably deceptively, package these artworks up for commercial gain when many of the participants would never have known or agreed to this, blame who you like for this, is a low act. It's a low act with some clearly underage girls of really third-world impoverished neighbouring countries. It's a low act, in my books, to make money from someone without their consent. Nope, it's not a low act to make a profit from cheap overseas labour, that's how the commercial world spins around these days, and it's not even a concern for me if he clearly made productions from obvious adults who knew full well what they were doing and agreed, the best of luck to him - their mutual choice. But he doesn't do this he? He preys on the poor and exploits them for a buck.

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