Rape of Nanking, the forgotten Holocaust

[spirit_of_town_hall]

I have recently started reading about the Rape of Nanking, there is veryh little mention of this, I am somewhat puzzled about its lack of mention.

 

Why doesnt China make Japan apologise, I am going to ask a Japanese person I know what their view is on the matter.

 

Also for those that know Japanese people well, do they appear intrinsically more cruel than other people.

 

STH

[dean]

Since Britian was concerned with Hitler during the 1930's and WWII from 1939-45, it doesn't surprise me that much of what happened in the pacific during that time was reported much in Britian. Being from the U.S., I don't remember much being said about Japan, except for Pearl Harbor and having to drop the atomic bomb on Japan because they would fight to the death rather than surrender. I was a history major and studied WWII and don't remember much being said about the rape of Nanking.

[Guest]

>>>>and having to drop the atomic bomb on Japan because they would fight to the death rather than surrender<<<

 

 

 

i guess you meant to say: having dropped two atomic bombs, after they have already surrendered. the second bomb was of a different type, and it's effects had to be studied.

[Guest]

>>>there is veryh little mention of this, I am somewhat puzzled about its lack of mention.<<<

 

 

the rape of nanking and the events in manchuko are a huge issue between china and japan. china is consistenly demanding an apology from japan.

that this issue might be little mentioned in the west is less a problem of china/japan, but of western centered education. there many other events which are not mentioned unless you really look out for the correct information.

 

 

 

 

>>>Also for those that know Japanese people well, do they appear intrinsically more cruel than other people.<<<

 

excuse me please, but i do not really see much difference in the quality of cruelty in many other events, such as the american indian holocaust, the jewish/gypsy/communist/socialist/homosexuals holocaust perpetrated by the nazis, the armenian holocaust by the turks, the inquisition, the bombing of laos, the events after the US sponsored coup against sukarno in indonesia, etc.

 

people are intrinsically cruel, simple as that.

[spirit_of_town_hall]

I agree that awful happenings have occurred elsewhere, such as the slaughter of Armenians by Turks ( another little known event unless you are Armenian) and in the concentration camps etc...

 

The more I read about Nanking the more I think it is in a class of its own, they used live prisoners for bayoneting practice, boiled people alive...

 

This coupled with the inhuman treatment of allied POW's is leading me to the conclusion that Japanese people have a propensity to be more cold blooded...

 

The Germans treatment of allied POW's was OK in the main, I know the Russian POWs had a harder time...

 

In no way were people ever on mass used for bayoneting practice.

 

Although they are diminshing in numbers now, Burma POW survivors are still have bitter towards the Japanese, indeed when the Japanese emporeror visited UK a few years ago ex POWs turned their backs on the procession as it travelled down the Mall in London such was the bitterness still there..

 

I take your point, I am however leaning to the conclusion that the Japanese have a vividly sadistic hypersexuality, not really seen elsewhere.

 

One only needs to peruse mainstream Jap porn, in the west some of it looks like it could get you a prison term.

 

I have a lot more to read on this fascinating little known topic.

 

STH

[dean]

I would agree that the second atomic bomb was unnecessary. Japan would have surrendered within a month or two after dropping the first bomb. However, I can understand Truman's decision to drop it, weighing it against the lives of up to 1,000,000 allied soldiers (mainly American), which is the number given by military experts at the time to conquer Japan by going through Tokyo .

[Guest]

>>>In no way were people ever on mass used for bayoneting practice.<<<

 

 

no, people were just gassed to death, slowly and agonisingly with cyclon B, and the infamous medical experiments on children and other "unworthy life"...

read a few autobiographies from concentration camp survivors, please. at least as gutwrenching as what happened in nanking and manchuko.

have a look at some chinese photos and films of those day, look at one of the more interesting chinese deathpenalties, reserved for crimes against aristocracy - the death of a thousand cuts (i leave the details open to your imagination).

 

and some of the events of the american indian holocaust were rather gruesome as well, and that went on far into the sixties of the 20th century, if you have a look at the events there in the pine ridge reservation.

 

or abu hunting in australia...

 

 

 

 

 

>>>One only needs to peruse mainstream Jap porn, in the west some of it looks like it could get you a prison term.<<<

 

 

oh, yeah?

ever read the books of marquis the sade? listed as world literature, and he was french. japanese hardcore porn is vanilla compared to his rather graphic destriptions of nightmarish excesses.

[Guest]

>>>I would agree that the second atomic bomb was unnecessary. Japan would have surrendered within a month or two after dropping the first bomb<<<

 

 

japan has already surrendered when the bomb was dropped.

[BelgianBoy]

flyonzewall said:

>>>I would agree that the second atomic bomb was unnecessary. Japan would have surrendered within a month or two after dropping the first bomb<<<

 

 

japan has already surrendered when the bomb was dropped.

 

Totally false.

Try geopolitics to understand the issue here.

One side the Ruskies wanted as much of Japan as they could grab, on the other side Truman wanted to stop the war asap in order to save lives.

And the Japs did not wanted to surrender at all, not even after the Hiroshima, cfr the history books and the failed military coup.

 

Truman did well, lives were saved, and except for the Kiryll Islands, Japan stayed under the US influence and did quite well.

Read his memoirs to see how long he even hesitated before dropping the first bomb.

 

BB

[check_bin_krap]

flyonzewall said:

>>>there is veryh little mention of this, I am somewhat puzzled about its lack of mention.<<<

 

 

the rape of nanking and the events in manchuko are a huge issue between china and japan. china is consistenly demanding an apology from japan.

that this issue might be little mentioned in the west is less a problem of china/japan, but of western centered education. there many other events which are not mentioned unless you really look out for the correct information.

True, its been an ongoing issue between China/Japan. That is also the case between Japan and South Korea. Korean women who were forced to work in Japanese brothels.

 

Nobody has a monopoly on cruelty. Rwanda is an example of that. The courts have worked ever since that genocide was stopped. The amount of people involved in that mass murder is so huge that it will take decades more to pass the sentences.