Death at Nana?

[Guest]

That thread reminded me those former heated threads so before Figgie makes his great comeback and Sushi and SD team up to describe the US urban violence here's a vid I found a few days back from the charming american home town of one of our most active members. Damned glad I ain't living there.

 

http://www.ogrish.com/archives/beating_caught_on_tape_in_seattle_Aug_27_2005.html

 

About the beating story it's all very vague with a different version running in the same time on BKKtonight...

[tilac]

Yes. I've seen it happen that incident last week near Nana Car park !

 

Last week on Monday (12-dec) around midnight.

I was sitting at the street side of the beer bar at Nana Hotel and this is what happend (actually not at the Nana car park but in front of the bar between Nana hotel and Suk rd) ) :

* A guy (couldn't see if it was a farang, but lets assume he is) passed the street from the bar to the other side.

* At the same time a motorbike drove into soi 4 (from Suk rd) and when that passing guy showed up all in a sudden in front of him he had to brake really hard. Result: bike collapsed and Thai guy fell of it. It think the speed of the motorbike was not that high, but maybe too high for a busy soi like soi 4.

* The bike didn't hit the passing farang, and for 1-2 seconds the Thai guy layed down on the pavement.

But then he jumped up real quick and rushed to the farang and started beating him.

A few punters from the bar there went to to scene (might wanted to help their buddy out).

* Then the crowd moved around them and I couln't see much anymore, I was not really into moving nearer for 'disaster tourism' purposes (and I was talking with a nice girl at the bar also, took her to Nana Disco afterwards, but that's another story).

* After a few minutes I saw the Thai guy getting back on his MB and driving further in to soi 4, haven't seen him back.

* Then I tought everything was back to normal but after 10-15 min both the police and the ambulance showed up there, and the guy was put in the ambulance.

 

Well that's everything I know abt it, seemed to me as an accidental thing, but worked out quite nasty for the farang involved.

Don't hang me up om this one, it was happening 30-40 meters away from me, I wasn't drunk by the way !

 

About the dog pack, well just look when you enter NEP just before going up the stairs, you will always see a few guys hanging around there, they don't seem te be associated with some pub but look mean enough to 'solve' all kinds of problems. Same for SC and PP by the way !

Last week I was at a big Thai pub in Bkk (airport district) and there they hire police (in uniform) as security. clearly visible and not to be joked with.

At the end of the evening (around 1am) a small fight broke out and within 10 sec 4 police and numerous waiters (with a big beer glass in their hand to be used in the battle) tried to 'solve' the problem. It ended shortly, bad guys escorted outside and police also stayed outside on the parking to prevent all kinds of drunk guys on motorbikes to do something stupid.

A TGF told me once her brother was involved in a pub fight in Bkk and the police used 'paralyzers' (high voltage bats) to calm down the crowd, must have been at the Electric Boogie Club (LOL)

They dont seem to use police dogs and horses a lot here at these kind of incidents (as they do in farangland where they scare the shit out of people)

 

Cheers

 

Tilac

[port]

Suk is insane. Last night I was walking past soi 13 going to a friends apartment when some little brown thing ran up to me and punched me in the mouthand started shouting wildly at me. I almost responded by knocking her head off but thought better of it.

 

I have never even spoken to a girl anywhere near Suk before.

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tilac-

 

Thanks for posting that clarification.

 

"About the dog pack, well just look when you enter NEP just before going up the stairs, you will always see a few guys hanging around there, they don't seem te be associated with some pub but look mean enough to 'solve' all kinds of problems. Same for SC and PP by the way"

 

I know this is true in Nana and assume for PP as well. Gotta disagree on Soi Cowboy though. Thonglor police district will not tolerate some of the shit that other police districts tolerate.

 

Agree you can have a problem anywhere but it is far less liekly to happen- a dog pack attack where it is ten to one- in Cowboy than the other nightlife areas.

[shotover]

Your account is consistent with what I saw and was told Monday night in the Nana Car Park. I was in the hotel lobby that night talking with some friends when emergency vehicles came racing around the carpark.

 

We walked outside and some witnesses told us they saw the same thing you reported, the only difference being they claimed the bike struck the farang (easy to understand how either situation could have happened, bottom line being the bike rider was angry the farang caused him to drop his bike).

 

I then saw the rescue truck attendants loading the farang in their vehicle, and several Thai cops wondering around aimlessly.

 

The talk around NEP is the farang (reportedly from the UK) subsequently died.

[Evel_Penivel]

A death is always a tragedy, but it's one thing if the guy was hit by a motorbike and died of the injuries he suffered, very much another if he was beaten to death by a stranger outside Nana. That kind of violence - a Thai beating a farang to death for no reason - is rare in LOS. When a farang dies at the hands of a Thai, it's usually a lover's quarrel or a drug deal gone bad. In fact, that is the pattern with murders all over the world, no matter what country. Most murders occur with a relationship or family, while the remainder are almost all between participants in some sort of criminal activity.

 

Even in the U.S., the chances of falling victim to an act of street violence are small. If you factor out alcohol, commerical sex and bad neighborhoods, the chances are almost nil. In other words, your biggest chance of getting killed by a stranger is if you a male under 35, out late at night, under the influence of alcohol, in the wrong neighborhood, looking for sex. Even then, the chance, in an absolute sense, is very small.

 

Tourists in Thailand run a much bigger risk of dying in a traffic accident or succumbing to alcohol poisoning than being killed by a stranger.

[David_66_UK]

The talk around NEP is the farang (reportedly from the UK) subsequently died.

 

This probably means he spent 5 minutes in hospital and was fine (hopefully).

 

I think part of the "problem" is Farang who come back once or twice for a brief visit and just ASSUME that things are exactly the same as when they left - easy to do and guilty myself and got it badly wrong

 

Coupled with too much beer and thinking they know how to "handle" the situation, either physically or verbally. Nothing wrong with walking or running away. It ain't no loss of face (in my book) to walk away from a f'#ckwit - cos even a "win" would be meaningless.

 

My impression is that it's the drugs war driving up the prices, and the money has GOT to come from somewhere, I was surprised before that violent crime against Farang was not more common. It's a shitty world out there for many, especialy when coupled with an understandable resentment against sweaty smelly foreigners pissing a months wages up against a wall and shagging "their" women - let alone when it has been "their" woman (or still is) or in earlier times their mother / aunty (father : : Some folk just looking for a "reason"..............

[Guest lazyphil]

<<against sweaty smelly foreigners pissing a months wages up against a wall and shagging "their" women - >>

 

NO NO NO NO, SIGH, havn't you read here that Thai men dont have anything to do with bgs

[Guest]

"NO NO NO NO, SIGH, havn't you read here that Thai men dont have anything to do with bgs "

 

Phil oh Lazyphil... what's your point??

 

Thai men do have a lot to do with prostitutes but for some reason ("good taste" might be a rather accurate word : they avoid to hang out in place like Nanaplaza. When David is talking about those guys pissed at farangs shaging their woman, you should realize he's not really talking about the average thai bloke, even less BKK bloke. Majority of isaan bargirls are outcasts of thai society and their boys ... well... they just seem to match fine...

 

 

When it comes to my thai male acquaintances, jealousy is not the word that jumps to mind... "Amazement" would be more accurate. They're amazed at how western blokes can fuck and parade with girls they'd rather not even share the pavement with, to put it politely.

[Damen]

Evel_Penivel said:

In other words, your biggest chance of getting killed by a stranger is if you a male under 35, out late at night, under the influence of alcohol, in the wrong neighborhood, looking for sex.

 

Whew...I was getting worried for a minute there but since I'm over 35 I guess that lessens my chances