Angeles vs Pattaya 2007 update

[robaus]

Hereâ??s a 2007 update of my previous post (April 2006). Iâ??ve just returned from 14 nights in Angeles to avoid the Songkran mayhem in Pattaya, where I live. Hereâ??s a spot of comparative research, all IMHO and YMMV. Last week I was getting 1.33 pesos to 1 Thai baht. Iâ??m thinking in terms of average/standard prices â?? you can pay much more or much less in both Pattaya and Angeles for all services.

 

[color:black]ANGELES[/color]

 

[color:black]Likes[/color] :thumbup:

Most of the girls speak English, so the GFE is easier. Even a cynical old bastard like me fell in â??lurve/lustâ? for 3 nights with the same girl.

 

More girls on stage. I counted 32 girls coming off stage after their 20 minute stint and 26 replacements coming on stage at Lancelot one night. (I suppose the owners can afford it with lower wages at 120 pesos (90b/night)

 

Girls have beautiful mellifluous names: Rosalita, Jocelyn, Marigold, Mirabelle (seems sort of more romantic than Lek, Nit, Porn)

 

I loved the line dancing â?? normally not my cup of tea, but 30 lovely arses all turning in unison for comparative examination is wonderful. But alas this is in decline since last year. Only a few places still doing it. Technocrap/rap is taking over, and as a result the girls are reverting to the Isaan chrome pole molesting shuffle â?? what else can they do with it? DJs take note â?? look at the age and reaction of your customers and adapt the music accordingly. One morning 3am in Heartbreakers about 6 of us geriatrics walked in, the DJ switched to C/W and rock nâ?? roll. The place started humming, the LDs flowed, the girls livened up, my mate lost his Angeles cherry boy status, and one other normally very quiet member of our party has been renamed the Closet Croyden Cowboy when he too joined in the line dancing. Reckoned heâ??d never had such a good night in years.

Girls seemed to be enjoying themselves more, when theyâ??ve got something to concentrate on and especially when the DJ played some lively Tagalog tunes, just as the girls react to Thai music in Pattaya.

 

Bars open later till 3-5 am. Dollhouse is open 24 hrs !!

 

Many bars let you take photos of the girls onstage (ask mamasan though!) since the girls donâ??t show. Dollhouse has a special weekly photo shoot every Wednesday night where they actively encourage it. Some of their best girls semi naked, tops covered in body paint. Well worth taking your camera along for.

 

When you call a girl down for a LD, she stays with you (till the drink runs dry!) - no â??I go dance nowâ? scam that you sometimes get in Pattaya just as soon as youâ??ve bought a LD. That can be a drawback too. I like to chat with my mates also while I watch my tilak dance on stageâ?¦ gives my legs and dick a rest from dry rooting the girl on my lap. Of course you spend more money on LDs too when the girl is constantly with you (prospective bar owners note!)

 

No toilet tipping or woofter attendants trying to massage your back while youâ??re pissing

 

Toilets seemed cleaner (maybe newer gogos?)

 

Girls seemed to kiss more, but â??smokedâ? less â?? in my very limited survey! Whereas in Pattaya theyâ??ll willingly suck your dick for 15 minutes, but are reluctant to give you more than a peck on the cheek.

 

Very few tattooed girls (even then just a small butterfly etc) â?? why some Thai girls disfigure their beautiful silky smooth skin with huge tattoos like â??I love Svenâ? is beyond meâ?¦. must be all those memorable encounters with Alholk!

 

Bottled beer cheaper (85p= 64 baht), but then again I drink mainly draft in Pattaya gogos at 50 - 55 baht.

 

Barfine 1000 â?? 1300 pesos, usually 1200p (900 baht â?? some bars charge more for their stunners/powerdancers) out of which the girl gets 500p. Not sure if this is a plus or minus. I think the bar is getting a heftier share than in Pattaya, but at least the girl is guaranteed something, and you also have some comeback if she does a runner as happens sometimes in LOS. In addition the girl expects a tip for good service. Last year it was 200-500p. Some girls asking 1000p tip now. I think I prefer the Pattaya system â?? separate the bf from the girlâ??s fee.

 

V compact entertainment area in Field St. You can walk to all the bars. In the afternoons I recommend taking a tricycle or jeepney about 1km past Margarita Station to just beyond the Petron garage. A very lively afternoon session and happy hours in about 20 bars from Matrix onwards (are these the Perimeter bars that a lot of ex pats frequent, or did I not walk far enough?)

 

NO ladyboys in the gogo bars. I think itâ??s a very bad move to mix katoey (post and pre-op) dancers with real girls as they do in some Pattaya night spots. Puts me right off barfining in those bars. I have nothing against anyoneâ??s sexual preference, but Iâ??ve paid to look at â??womenâ? dancing, not blokes.

 

[color:black]Dislikes[/color] :thumbdown:

Girls seemed a bit chubbier than Thais â?? could be Phil diet (thatâ??s a gross generalisation â?? there were many many stunners too!). On the other hand, there seemed to be â??fewerâ? stretch marked girls than in Pattaya?? I think Filipinas have bigger firmer tits â?? thatâ??s purely subjective.

 

[minor whinge] Girls in Pattaya seem to have better dress sense. Some of the Angeles girls emerge for a bf dressed in just a T shirt and denim shorts. The more beautifully packaged the parcel I get to unwrap, the hornier, more romantic, satisfied and generous I become :hubba:

 

Girls not showing â?? and why the â??doubleâ? knickers plus panty liners â?? canâ??t even see the camelsâ?? toes pussy imprint.

 

Cherry Girls! Iâ??d say 10-20% on stage were virgins who want anything from 20k pesos to 300k!! to lose their cherry. I donâ??t begrudge them their virginity, but why work in a gogo bar if you donâ??t root? Theyâ??re taking away income from the other willing girls onstage â?? wasting my time and theirs. Before I cottoned on, I paid 3 LDs for a very friendly girl, then when I went to bf her, she whispered â??I have secret â?? I Cherry Girlâ?Â. Thereafter, I had to resort to the very clinical preamble â??Are you a cherry girl? Are you menstruating?â? They have V for virgin on their ID cards, but I canâ??t see that far when theyâ??re dancing.

 

LDs slightly more expensive (150p - approx 112 baht vs Pattaya average 90-95 baht). Watch out for the â??doubleâ? LD scam at Dollhouse 250 peso â?? never bought another LD there after that â?? v silly management policy. Watch out also for the LD beer scam at Dollhouse. If â??youâ? order at beer itâ??s 85p, if the girl orders one itâ??s 250p. But as my mate pointed out, it may be money saved. The girl takes a long time to drink a San Miguel Light. My advice: insist on a regular LD. If the girl is friendly, move onto a beer LD if she wants one.

 

Many of the stages are in a pit, so unless you sit at the stage you canâ??t see the girlsâ?? legs. Mind you when you do sit at the stage your eyes are just about at pussy level! :hubba:

 

Girls seemed to wait to be â??called downâ? rather than interacting with the punters to attract their attention. (In Pattaya many of the girls choose â??youâ? from the stage â?? if sheâ??s enthusiastic in the bar, sheâ??s good in the bedroomâ?¦ usually?). But that could be my own kin niow fault â?? my 74 yr old Pattaya mate (with a portfolio of 457 naked beauties â?? I donâ??t think the Queen will be sending him a telegram when he reaches 500!) would have no trouble at all attracting the stunners when he wears his special aftershave â??Eau de 100 peso note stuffed down their knickersâ?Â.

 

Service girls and mamasans seemed pushier on buying LDs But then again a drink for the mamasan can be a good investment. Sheâ??ll tell you straight off who are the cherry girls, who are the friendly girls, and who does what.

 

Hotels and restaurants in Pattaya much much better value for money, and more choice - Angeles definitely needs more competition. Watch out for the VAT tax on food and accom, and the +7% for credit card transactions at hotels and moneychangers. (Iâ??m told the credit card charge is now illegal, but itâ??s still done in some hotels)

 

No bidet arse squirters â?? toilet paper only. I suffered itchy arse syndrome again as I do in farangland. How I missed the Thai hygienic and â??strangely pleasurableâ? squirt up the jacksy.

 

Angeles seemed grubbier and more dangerous than Pattaya (probably because the people are poorer). Sure, nasty things happen to farangs in both cities. But there was a more violent ambience about Angeles with signs at the gogo doors â??No firearmsâ?Â, shotgun wielding guards at the supermarkets, warnings in hotel room â??Donâ??t wander too far off Fields St). Iâ??ve lived more than 6 violence free years in Pattaya. (although I did once get slyly pickpocketed on a baht taxi â?? partly my own stupid fault!). That was last yearâ??s comment. More confident I wandered further afield this year without any trouble at all. But I still suggest taking a tricycle at night if off the beaten track.

 

Tip for both Angeles and Pattaya gogo bar owners: Get the girls to circulate after â??everyâ? song â?? rotate at least 2 places (Paris and maybe a few others do it in Pattaya). Itâ??s boring for you and the dancers when youâ??re stuck at the stage staring at the same body. On some of the Angeles crowded stages, I couldnâ??t see the faces of some of the girls for their entire 20 minute stint without standing up and walking around to the other side of the stage. To the credit of Lancelot and a couple of other bars, they do rotate the girls, AND I like the idea of the finale circling of the stage by the girls before the next shift comes on, just in case you missed someone you might fancy buying a LD for.

 

The dance music sequence that seemed to get the girls doing their line dancing and naughty mime routines was.

Dangerous by Roxette

Push My Button by Sugarbabes

Whole Again by Atomic Kitten

The Bad Touch by Bloodhound Gang

Simply the Best by Tina Turner

 

Iâ??d appreciate the titles of any other lively dance numbers that stir up the girls. There were a couple of Tagalog and Spanish songs that were listed as â??unknownâ? when I asked the DJs

 

[color:black]Miscellaneous tips:[/color]

 

Beware - no functioning ATM machine at Clark Airport. There is a money changing booth with an attendant (occasionally?) who has rip off cash rates. Bring a few spare pesos or US$ at least to be able to pay the taxi to your hotel (200-300p for the whole taxi â?? my mates were scammed 300 each, until the hotel who sent the taxi recouped their loss from the bent driver). Thereafter, several money changers on Field St, who change cash. Shop around at the money changers. Many farangs swear by Noraâ??s off on a side street from Fields, but I got a much better rate elsewhere. I was told (didnâ??t try personally) that itâ??s a hassle plus expensive commissions to change travelers cheques. There seems to be a lack of ATMs in the Field St area. Head over to the huge SM Shopping Mall (excellent hypermarket) 10 mins walk NW of Field St â?? lots of ATMs there (some at the entrance; others inside in a secure location) but I could only get 10,000 pesos Fast Cash at a time out of a machine. Another mate who had a slightly worn card could get nothing at all out of the ATMs and had to get a photocopy of his passport personal details page as well as his entry stamp page, plus fill out forms and wait to get a cash advance in a bank.

 

Sex without a condom seems more common than in Pattaya, where â??Hab condom?â? is usually the first sweet nothing a Thai girl whispers in your ear as you climb into bed, if not on the baht taxi home. In Angeles it is often you who has to do the insisting. If you think you are liable to succumb to a bare back ride in a drunken/reckless moment, then bring a supply of Ciproflox and Zithromax with you. Prescription drugs are hard to find and expensive in the Philippines. Also, bring your own condoms and KY gel with you â?? couldnâ??t find it in the pharmacies in Angeles.

 

The Orchid Resort pool a pleasant way to spend the arvo â?? your gf will love it. Poolside service friendly but slow.

 

Some of cheapest spirits Iâ??ve ever seen on the supermarket shelves. One litre Gilbeys Gin 127 pesosâ?¦ thatâ??s only US$2.50! Rum even cheaper. Scotch same as in Thailand. So donâ??t bother bringing duty free unless you want your favourite rare tipple

 

If youâ??re flying Philippine Airlines, make sure your taxi drops you off/picks up at the correct Terminal in Manila! Itâ??s at least 2 km and another taxi ride further away from the main International Terminal.

Air Asia (advantage - direct to Clark, Angeles. Tiger Airways from Singapore also to Clark direct)â?? I shopped around for a cheap deal US$215 in the end BKK-KUL-CRK return incl all taxes !!, but lousy connections from BKK outbound at KL airport. OK if you plan to stay a night in KL. Air Asia tip: Priority boarding for 55 and over along with pregnant women and infants! No allocated seating, so if u can, grab the first row seat (first disembarking) or the wider safer Emergency Exit seats over the wings.

 

Some hotels have the fridge stocked like a mini supermarket stuffed with over priced items which they hope you and your tilaks will help themselves to. Take everything out of bar and bathroom on the day you check in, and put it in a bag out of sight till you check out. NB !! tell the cleaner and stick a note on the fridge door â??Please do not refill fridge. Thank youâ?Ââ?¦ otherwise sheâ??ll replace the lot and charge you. Stock your fridge with your own drinks and nibbles.

 

[color:black]Conclusion[/color].

Pricewise thereâ??s not much in it. A rough tally based on 8 beers, 4 LDs per night, barfine, hotel and meals made Angeles about 90 baht per day cheaper. Gogo dancers cheaper in Angeles; hotels and food cheaper in Pattaya. On the whole I still prefer Pattaya, where there is a bigger, safer scene with far more bars and a better, cleaner infrastructure of facilities â?? not to mention the pleasant sea breeze. But I certainly enjoyed my busmanâ??s holiday to Angeles and like Gen. MacArthur â??I shall return.â?Â

 

Rumour in Asia Bugle that they might organize a charter flight from Bangkok to Clark next year for Songkran. Express your interest so that they can get things moving before people book commercial flights themselves.

 

I reckon if someone opened an Angeles style fun loving girls line dancing bar in Pattaya, and a Pattaya style bar (with stark bollock showtimes) in Angeles (if the police would allow it), theyâ??d both be successful.

 

Google jimmyregina for more Angeles info. Follow all the links. Some good advice from blokes far more experienced on the AC scene than a newbie such as me.

 

Brief bar reviews

 

[color:blue]Blue Nile and Executive[/color] (upstairs). Fun bar. Good looking girls, and lots of em. Love the elevator stage and great lighting. Gives all the girls that long legged look.

 

[color:blue]Neroâ??s Forum[/color] Fun bar. Good looking girls, and lots of em. But they donâ??t rotate after every song. This is a popular bar , thus sometimes limited stage side space. If you get stuck facing a dog for 20 minutes, itâ??s no fun at all. And no doubt she is thinking the same thing staring at me!

 

[color:blue]Bedrock[/color]. Lively once you stir the girls up. Fell in lurve/lust here!

 

[color:blue]Mistys[/color] Fun girls but limited numbers. One or two lookers.

 

[color:blue]Champagne[/color] Fun bar. Good looking girls, and lots of em. I got taken for a ride by a menstruating tilak here. YMMV

 

[color:blue]Viper Room[/color]. Had a great afternoon and evening here after me and my mates livened up the the girls when we tipped the DJ to play a more entertaining dance music selectionâ?¦. Eventually we had 3 fat mamasans almost baring their tits and bums â?? I had to pay them to put their clothes back on! Some good looking girls here. Unfortunately a very friendly and good fun but plain girl latched onto me early in the piece. Felt a bit guilty about ditching her for a better model, so didnâ??t â?? typical newbie mistake. Mai ben Rai. If youâ??re not on a definite shagging mission (I was that afternoon ï�), often the ugly girls are the most fun and more appreciative of a LD they rarely get.

 

[color:blue]Dollhouse[/color] Good looking girls, and lots of em. Open 24 hours. I just loved watching their powerdancersâ?? routines â?? very professional. Wish someone would do the same in Pattaya. Watch out for drinks scams outlined above.

 

[color:blue]Camelot[/color] last year it was fantastic, I loved the graphic naughty miming to the chorus â??You and me babe ainâ??t nothing but mammals, so letâ??s do it like they do on the Discovery Channelâ?Â. This year theyâ??ve caught the technocrap Issan shuffle disease. Once the DJ was tipped, the girls livened up:up: Girls not rotating after one dance

[color:blue]Lancelot[/color] is good 8 till midnight (lots of girls).. thereafter donâ??t bother. At 1 am the girls had stopped dancing completely (tired/ fed up because not barfined?), arms folded sitting on the edge of the stage even when I and 3 very generous LD buying mates came inâ?¦ wonâ??t be going there again after midnight. Mamasans and managers take note.. not a way to get customers through the door â?? becomes a vicious cycle â?? poor performance = fewer customers = poorer performance until one day it has to close at midnight. Meanwhile back in Pattaya places like Peppermint are humming till 3am when the very last dance is called. A very generous mate of mine who usually spends 1000 - 3000 pesos on a visit to a bar had a fallout with the Lancelot mamasan and stopped going. Girls were willingly taking his LDs but when it came to barfine â??Sorry, Iâ??m menstruatingâ?Ââ?¦ and the same girls were still menstruating 10 days later! Now I realise heâ??s no Adonis, but heâ??s not a Quasimodo either. Iâ??m not in favour of forcing girls to go with acustome, but he felt they were beginning to take the piss. Donâ??t know what the answer is, other than a clinical pre LD interrogation â??Are you a cherry girl? Are you menstruating? Do you barfine?â? When the girls at Lancelot are not in their post midnight comatose state they do rotate after every song and do a final circle of the stage as they come off.

[color:blue]Anglewitch[/color] afternoon a dead loss. Girls listlessly shuffling anticipating a long shift. Returned later one night and was very lively. Girls line dancing even.

[color:blue]Honeypot[/color] (previously Classroom 2). afternoon a dead loss. Girls listlessly shuffling â?? they actually moved to the end of the bar furthest from the customers.. howâ??s that for business acumen? Not. Returned on another occasion and we finally managed to stir up 2 girls for a fun time. I realise that itâ??s also up to the customer to show his interest in the sheilas and that he is not Dullsvilleâ??s entrant in this yearâ??s Mr Boring Universe contest, but the girls need to make an effort too if they want to make a living.

 

[color:blue]Agasy[/color] A lot of money spent on the décor but no follow through on choreography and mamasan discipline. Too spacious. Comfortable settees all facing one direction towards a tiered stage about 20 feet away! â?? a bit like being in a Thai fish bowl massage parlour. The power dancers do a great routine, then the 2nd team come on. One or two beauties but they simply stand there with arms folded â?? I joke not. Standard drinks 90 pesos too! I felt they should rename it Flatliners Gogo for a near death experience! A bloke sitting next to me summoned at least 5 girls down one at a time, did a spot of speed dating, dismissed them one by one (how embarrassing for the girls) and finally settled on one who passed his interrogation audition. More like a meat market than a gogo bar. I suggest they move the stage to the centre, bring the seating around and closer so that audience and girls can interact more, and employ a choreographer and DJ to play livelier music that will animate the girls and punters alike.

 

[color:blue]Dirty Duck[/color]. Cheap afternoon happy hour. But again the girls almost lifeless. Doing a shuffle something akin to a psychotic zoo animal trapped in a small enclosure. Notwithstanding I called down a pretty girl who proved friendly enough for me to barfine her.

 

[color:blue]Heartbreakers[/color]. Fun bar. Good looking girls, and lots of em. Good show dancers.

 

 

 

 

[Julian2]

Thanks Robaus, another top report. Definitely itching to get back there, the nightlife is really something else.

Interesting about the ATM situation, I used to have to go into the city to draw out money but the week I left, bloody hell, three years ago now, they were putting one in next to Kokomos.

The SM mall seems like the go though.

So many good mates there from bygone days, I'd have a ball catching up with them and seeing which of the girls I knew were still around.

Strangely enough I'd probably keep myself pure for the Mrs, had a couple of "bad experiences" there in the past when drunk and the girl never insisted on a condom. Remember the "hygiene" test they have every week is only as good as the first customer since the test.

[sanddawg1]

Good Report

 

I was thinking of going there on my trip after this one (will be in BKK / Pattaya in 2 weeks) maybe Angeles in September.

 

Thanks S1

[Roger_Baby]

The Philippines is definitely more dangerous than Thailand. Full of beggars too.

[WorldFun]

You got it pretty much spot on with the differences TH vs. PH

They both have their charms

[noman]

Thank you for info robaus

I just booking my flight ticket to PH for october

[robaus]

Thanks all for the feedback.

 

I forgot to mention

 

Blueberry Hill. If you are a karaoke singer or just enjoy a singalong. I was amazed at the hidden talents of my mates - watching eyebee wowing the ladies with his seductive version of Wild Thing was a sight to behold! Many Filipinas love singing. I had several very enjoyable late night visits there with my barfines. Try the chips and mushy peas â?? yum yum.

 

Check on the venue of the weekly/fortnightly? â??Doghouseâ? session on a Tuesday (there was a list posted in the gents at Blue Nile or Neroâ??s Forum). Get there early for a ringside seat. 500 pesos buys you free drinks 5-7pm, a good roast meal, and some naughty dancing, plus an everyoneâ??s-a-winner lucky draw.

 

[Maco88]

Brillant review. Well done!!