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Yes' date=' my friends and I used to call this "The power of the pussy." Many men are easily manipulated by this. :) (I include myself in that statement as well. Immunity is hard to gain.) [/quote']

 

Yeah....gotta agree

 

Just glad I'm so strong willed and would never let myself be put in that position.....

 

:grinyes::beer::liar::yikes::liar::beer::grinyes:

 

Cheers DC

 

 

 

You guys are so fucking pathetic! Letting some stupid woman manipulate you like that! Glad I NEVER fell for a whore like that, and...(drum roll) I NEVER WILL! IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN TO ME!...or something like that right?

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The Dummies Guide to Giving Thai Girls Money, Part 1 by BigBabyKenny

Published by BigBabyKenny on October 24th, 2008 in Reader Submissions. 174 Comments

 

(This is loosely related to In Defense of Thai Women Part 1 and In Defense of Thai Women Part 2 and is on the same general subject of hanging out with normal Thai girls discussed in Fresh Produce Shopping Part 2A-Going to the Library to Check Out Some Books and Fresh Produce Shopping Part 2B-The Worldâ??s Greatest Starbucks and Some Advice About How to Bang Normal Thai Girls and banging G-Girls discussed in The Dummies Guide to Banging G-Club Girls Part 1 and The Dummies Guide to Banging G-Club Girls Part 2)

 

The internet and bars are full of earnest well meaning expats pouncing on newbies and subjecting them to their sad sack stories of woe about the pitfalls of giving Thai girls money.

 

The patronizing look expats shoot you when you admit to giving Thai girls money is the same look your mom gave you in high school when you drove your first motorcycle into the driveway and the mini skirted hot sexy slutty girl perched on the back was introduced as your new girlfriend.

 

Mention that you actually enjoy giving Thai girls money and they will commit you to the looney bin or send you to mandatory court ordered counselingâ??â??if they could and such things existed in Thailand.

Just because they were naïve and stupid enough to get suckered and duped by a professional scam artist who happened to be a Thai girl, nothing is going to convince these know-it-all self proclaimed Masters of the Universe expats that all Thai girls are not grifters or that giving Thai girls money is acceptable, normal, admirable, and can be a boatload of fun.

 

I suppose their advice is valid if you only hang with scamming gogo girls who make a living multi-timing Hometown Heroes or only hook with the professional scam artists whose husbands/boyfriends pimp out their wives/girlfriends trying to fish Thailand newbies but most guys who hang out in Thailand for any period of time eventually move off The Reservation and inevitably meet cool fun sexy normal Thai girls who have jai dee (good heart) and arenâ??t in it only for the money or begin to hang with part time quasi- freelancers who inhabit the gray zone between pure P4P and normality.

 

When you move off The Reservation or at least move near the border their advice is clearly wrong.

I disagree with most internet commentators and the whining horde of burned in the past, advice dispensing, well meaning expats.

 

I believe there is nothing wrong with giving Thai girls money and, in fact, if you are a normal guy with the normal empathy for those you care about it is normal, human, admirable, and, yes, even fun and entertaining to give Thai girls moneyâ??if it is done correctly, not taken too seriously, and kept within a financially harmless envelope.

 

Participating in The Thailand Girl Scene burns money albeit small money compared to costs in The Worldâ??plane tickets, hotel bills, bar bills, bar fines, G-Club memberships, Mac Daddying (subject of a future post) etc. all add up in the end. Everything, including girls, going out, and socializing, is cheap in Thailand but it is still not free and in the end you can end up blowing a substantial chunk of change.

 

It is inane to draw an artificial distinction between money spent buying girl drinks, paying barfines, buying G-gifts for G-girls, forking over short and long time fees, and just giving a girl money because you feel like it while simultaneously spending money to participate in The Thailand Girl Scene. Money that ends up in a girls pocket is money in a girls pocket no matter what circuitous route it takes getting there.

 

In fact, money given directly cuts out the middleman. Instead of buying a ladydrink where the girl ends up with 50% or less, paying a barfine and ST/LT fee where the bar keeps the barfine, or buying bottles at a G-Club where only a small portion of the price goes to pay the girlâ??s salary, when you just give a Thai girl money, 100% of it ends up in her purse to do with as she pleasesâ??which is the point of giving her money in the first place. Putting the money directly into the hands of your favorite Thai girl gives your generosity the biggest bang for the buck.

 

When it comes to giving Thai girls money, Farangs in Thailand can be divided into two groups.

 

First, are the guys with something wrong in their head, filled with hate toward women and the world, working off some sort of actual or perceived wrong on the poor Thai girls that happen into their clutches. These guys donâ??t give Thai girls money because they donâ??t think of them as people. Referring to Thai girls as â??cunts, whores, and prostitutesâ? on the internet chat rooms and forums clues you into the presence of one of these sickies and when you inevitably encounter one of this breed it is hard not going home feeling slimed and a little down on the human race.

 

Second, are the normal guys banging Thai girls who think and treat Thai girls as people just like them but who had the misfortune of being born in a third world country. My experience is that the majority of farang and the majority of regular posters fall into this category and generally speaking they are an interesting intelligent group of guys who are always fun to hang out with and experience the world with.

 

There is also an intermediate group who bangs Thai girls but look down on them as an inferior sub-species of the human race. These are the self-proclaimed â??Masterâ??s of the Universeâ? alluded to in The Worldâ??s Greatest Starbucks and Some Advice About How to Bang Normal Thai Girls. Personally, these self proclaimed â??Masterâ??s of the Universeâ? quickly wear me out with their assumed airs and endless pontificating.

 

Normal newbie guys read the internet horror stories posted by sad sack expats and become gun shy about giving Thai girls money. Relying solely on the internet for information misleads newbies and they end up with a slanted false world view. The internet provides an overly negative view because only the guys who got burned are the ones who post.

 

Most of these posters are Hometown Heroes. These are farangs who back in The World have had little experience, little exposure, and have never been the target of really good looking, sexy knowledgeable women who know how to use and wield their Girl Power. In The World, they just werenâ??t worth the time and effort and never received much attention from these women and when they get to Thailand and unknowingly moved up on the local desirability index they find themselves overmatched, overwhelmed, and in over their heads.

 

When Hometown Heroes get to Thailand one of two thing commonly happen. Either they are successfully targeted and bilked by professional scam artists or they get involved with Thai girls fully aware of and skillful in wielding their substantial Girl Power, negotiate poorly, and end up getting out bargained, pussy whipped, and financially cornered. Either way they end up bitter or with egg on their face after being cheated out of their money or getting into a relationship under unfavorable terms and with little recourse, turn to the internet looking for sympathy or validationâ??and frequently find it from other Hometown Heroes doing the same.

 

If your only data on the question of giving Thai girls money was the internet leavings of Hometown Heroes you could only conclude that all Thai girls are professional scam artists and only an idiot would give them money.

 

What is missing from the internet are the majority of guys who get involved with Thai women, give them money on their terms, donâ??t get bilked, donâ??t get out negotiated, enjoy it, benefit from it, and at the end of the story, when the costs and benefits are tabulated are perfectly happy with the experience and would do it again.

 

(See Celebration or Condemnation, In Defense of Thai Women Part 1 and Part 2 if you are interested

in the lexicography of the Hometown Hero term.)

 

Which brings us to the subject of this essayâ??If you are going to give Thai girls money how do you do it?

 

The central principle of giving Thai girls money which most farangs forget or ignore at their peril is:

YOU HAVE THE MONEY! YOU HAVE THE POWER! YOU ARE THE FARANG!

 

Relationships between farang and Thai girls are inherently asymmetrical. The farang always has more money, more options, and more power than the Thai girl(s) he is involved with. What amazes me when listening to farang financially and/or emotionally involved with Thai girls is how little recognized, how little utilized this power is in the real world, and what a profound effect this power can have in the right knowledgeable hands. What really really amazes me is how much fun these guys could have giving the same money if they only knew they had the power, got some guidance about how to use it, grew some balls and actually wielded that power effectively.

 

Thailand is a mirror image of The World. In The World, any guy with real money considering getting married has the system stacked against themâ??alimony laws, child support laws, customs, and social morays all place the man in a disadvantageous position in a traditional un-pre nupped western marriage. In The World, once you are married, your wife has your balls in a vice, most of them know it, and most of them are ruthless in exploiting their advantageâ?? especially if the relationship sours and breaks up.

 

Thailand is the oppositeâ??economics, laws, religion, customs, and behavioral norms all favor men but unlike women in The World, the power men in Thailand hold is rarely recognized, rarely utilized, rarely exploited, and more importantly, rarely enjoyed by the farang involved with Thai women. Nothing is more pitiful than seeing or being friends with farang who are giving Thai women money but are still kept on a leash and kept locked down and terrorized by their Thai girlfriend/mistress.

 

In the poker world, there are two applicable terms, Chip Ho and BBD.

 

A Chip Ho is a good looking girl who likes to gamble but is not skillful enough to be a long term winnerâ??the poker worldâ??s version of a gold digger. The Chip Ho stays in action by hooking up with successful or recently flush players who stake them in return for sexual favors and a GFE. Sometimes they hook with successful gamblers but mostly they hook onto guys who lucked into a big score, e.g. wannabes who got lucky by winning a big tournament like the ones you see on TV.

 

When a Chip Hoâ??s current runs low on money or she finds an amenable guy with even more money she moves on or moves upâ??that is what distinguishes her from a normal girlfriend or wife. In the poker world, the players say BBDâ??Bigger Better Deal.

 

The vast majority of the time, The Deal you offer a normal Thai girl is not only Bigger and Better than any other available deal, most of the time it is the ONLY deal on the table. Your deal, no matter how modest the terms, dominates the alternativeâ??which is typically no deal at all.

 

Sure a Thai girl would like an exclusive committed relationship where you only bang her and ignore the plethora of hungry Thai girls looking to scoop their own BBD.

 

Sure a Thai girl would like to move out of her small shared un-air conditioned apartment with squat toilet that requires a 2 hour commute to work on un air-conditioned buses and move into an air conditioned apartment in a luxury high rise replete with the latest modern appliances and entertainment devices, walking distance to work, in the heart of Bangkok, rent free.

 

Sure a Thai girl would like to quit her dead end job where she slaves 6 days a week 10 hours a day doing repetitive moronic tasks under the close supervision of a male Thai slave driver boss and instead spends her days sleeping, watching Thai soap operas, shopping with your dime, and getting massaged, facialed, and manicuredâ??where her only daily responsibility is smiling, looking pretty and occasionally putting out.

 

Sure a Thai girl would like to receive a monthly allowance greater than her current salary with no attached responsibilities except entertaining and banging a guy who she likes anyway and would entertain and probably bang for shits and giggles even if no money were available or offered.

 

Sure a Thai girl would like you to take over complete financial responsibility for her immediate and extended family boosting her face and standing among her peers with little cost to herself.

 

But if that is not the deal that is offered and that is not a deal she can negotiate, the deal you offer is still way better than the alternative and, more importantly, if you donâ??t give in fully to every demand and request there is little danger your Thai girl will move on because normally there is nothing decent to move on to.

 

This is so important I will say it again.

 

IN THAILAND THERE IS NO DANGER OF YOUR THAI GIRL MOVING ON BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING DECENT TO MOVE ONTO!!!

 

IN THAILAND, THERE IS NO BBD !!!

 

When it comes to money your Thai girl(s) might beg, wheedle, pout, yell, scream, throw a tantrum, and even try withholding sex but in the end she has no choice but to come back to papa and accept your terms.

 

Wrapping your head around this idea is strangely liberating and acting on this idea can be fun and hugely entertaining.

 

There are many regimes under which you can give Thai girls money and this essay is too short to discuss them all but I will discuss two to get you started.

 

A common mistake farang newbies frequently make is to start off a Thai girl on the LUXURY VACATION PACKAGE. This is where the farang gives the girl enough money to have a nice apartment or moves into the farangs apartment, she doesnâ??t have to work for a living, and lives a comfortable middle class (which for Thailand is high class) lifestyleâ??just like she was on a nice luxury vacation she won in a raffle.

 

Starting a girl on the LUXURY VACATION PACKAGE is the biggest mistake newbie farangs make.

 

Frequently, the Thai girl presents this as the only alternative, the inexperienced farang is stupid enough to agree to it, and the farang ends up bitter, unhappy, and with the Thai girl on top calling the shotsâ??-not exactly the way the game plan was supposed to enfold.

 

The LUXURY VACATION PACKAGE has several problems that should be avoided no matter what regime you decide to use when giving Thai girls money.

 

The first is that for farangs of modest financial means it involves real financial sacrifice.

 

The whole point of coming to or living in Thailand is more cheaper fun but what is fun or cheap about taking on a financial burden that causes real sacrifice in exchange for dubious or at least easy to find and cheap to replace benefits?

 

The second is the incentive structure stinks. The Thai girl gets upfront everything she wants and sometimes everything there is to get if the farang is of modest financial means without having to do anything.

 

Once the cruise ship has left the dock and the Thai girl is safely ensconced in the upper deck ocean view cabin she has nothing to work for because she is already getting everything there is. Why should the Thai girl work to please the farang or obey orders when doing so doesnâ??t provide any additional benefits and poses little danger of losing the benefits she already has?

 

Would you pay a contractor 100% of his fee plus 100% of the cost of labor and materials before construction beginsâ??leaving yourself with no recourse if he fails to complete the work to code and on time or if he utilizes sub-standard materials? Only an idiot would do this but this exactly what many farang newbies agree to.

 

The third is scalability. If the girl doesnâ??t do what you want, the LUXURY VACATION PACKAGE is an all or nothing deal.

 

This is the same problem a country has when it relies solely on nuclear bombs for defense. Sure no one is going to invade a country if the result is getting nuked but if nuking someone is the only deterrent other countries can do a lot of small things to hurt you and you have no recourse. Communist China might rail on and on about Taiwan but with only nuclear weapons and no Navy or amphibious capability they exercise zero control or influence over Taiwanâ??s day to day behavior. Nuking Taiwan when the Taiwanese president gives a speech threatening declaring independence is not a credible threat.

 

You canâ??t kick your Thai girl out of your apartment on Mondays and Wednesdays when she misbehaves, add on Thursday when she ignores your polite request to rectify the situation, and threaten Friday on the streets if you donâ??t get immediate satisfaction. Such a threat is not credible but it is the only threat available after a newbie gets suckered into the LUXURY VACATION PACKAGE.

 

If you decide to give a Thai girl money, The PERFORMANCE PACKAGE is what I recommend. It avoids all the pitfalls of the LUXURY VACATION PACKAGE, stays within a comfortable financial envelope, produces a better product, provides a lot of benefits to you, and is entertaining and a hell of a lot of fun when done right.

 

And there is no reason not to do it right after reading this essay!

 

The PERFORMANCE PACKAGE requires adhering to two principles.

 

First, agree to no long term recurring commitments such as being responsible for a girlâ??s monthly rent. If she asks for help with her rent and you decide to give her some money, agree to help her this month but make it clear that there is no agreement about future rent payments. You might help her out with future monthly payments but that is dependent on future performance.

 

Second, donâ??t give any money without making the girl do something substantial in exchange and when you are bargaining remember you are in Thailand, there is no BBD available, and when it come to asking for something in exchange you can be creative, think outside the box, expand the envelope, and ask for things that in The World would make you a secret hero of your male buddies but a social pariah if the chorus of overweight, politically correct, ball crushing, hairy arm pitted housewives of your work friends in The World got wind of it.

 

What can you ask for in exchange for giving money to your Thai girls?

 

The only limits are your personal interests and the bounds of your creativity and imagination but here are some suggestions to spark your creative juices.

 

When your Thai girl asks for money how about:

 

1. Making your Thai girl agree that for the next month whenever you are out together in public, you can make her go into the nearest restroom, remove her bra and/or panties, surrender them to you, and she spends the rest of the outing/evening secretly buck naked under her dress/skirtâ??-sort of like your own personal Baccara upstairs girl.

2. Having your Thai girl spend/invest her own money getting out service from your favorite Orchid Massage Girl. Where the Orchid Massage Girl trains up your Thai girl with you as the instructional dummy so she can administer an expert Ball Massage. Where you give your Thai girl a final exam where she has to satisfactorily tune up and flush your system everyday for a week, you grade her performance on a 10 point scale, and give her the rent supplement for that month only if she achieves an overall score of 8.5. (see the The Dummies Guide to the Ball/Testicle Massage)

3. Telling your Thai girl that everyday for a week after work/school or whenever and wherever you SMS her the pre-selected codeword, she will immediately go home, take a shower, get naked, handcuff herself to the bed (donâ??t give her the handcuff keys but be merciful and let her have the remote to the Nintendo Wii), wait for you for a couple of hours naked and cuffed to the bed to come home and she only gets uncuffed and dressed after you are sexually satisfied.

4.

 

Of course, you can ask for the less fun and more mundane things like.

 

1. Keeping your apartment especially the kitchen and bathroom spic and span and only paying after she passes 2 weeks of daily inspections.

2. Going shopping everyday with her own money, buying fresh ingredients, and cooking a nice tasty dinner every night for the next three weeks.

3. Going to school to improve her English and only paying if she passes a daily quiz for two weeks.

 

But what fun is asking and getting the less fun and mundane things? The less fun and mundane is not what Thailand exists for. When you use the PERFORMANCE PACKAGE go for the gold, accept no compromises, and, remember, you are in Amazing Thailand not The World.

 

Newbies are usually skeptical when told they can put their Thai girls on the PERFORMANCE PACKAGE but when you actually offer the PERFORMANCE PACKAGE what is surprising is that Thai girls almost uniformly and enthusiastically get with the program.

 

Maybe it is because Thai culture and religion train Thai girls to value being suphaap and nareek (see Fresh Produce Shopping Part 2B-The Worldâ??s Greatest Starbucks and Some Advice About How to Bang Normal Thai Girls for an explanation of suphaap and nareek).

 

Maybe it is because Thai women really want to make their men happy and please them but because of the cultural and language divide they are in the dark and clueless about what would actually please their farang most of the time. They welcome concrete suggestions about what their farang wants.

 

Maybe it is because the average normal Thai girl is curious about and wants to explore sexually but are too shy or too uniformed to bring up the subject and actually get down and dirty. They are begging for any flimsy excuse to drop the shy virgin masquerade.

 

Maybe it is because there is no BBD so Thai girls are super motivated to close the deal on the only deal in town no matter how weird and offbeat the conditions are.

 

What is certain is that there is right and wrong way to give Thai girls money.

 

Do it the right way and it is fun, entertaining, financially harmless, and hugely enjoyable.

 

Do it the wrong way and you will end up same same as the horde of bitter expats infesting the bars waiting to inflict their sad sack stories of woe on unsuspecting newbies.

 

Anyway, I hope this essay guides you onto your own personal path to potentially hugely enjoyable, intellectually engaging, immensely fun, and only available in Thailand hobby of giving Thai girls money.

 

In Part 2 of The Dummies Guide to Giving Thai Girls Moneyâ??The Art of Saying No and How to Protect Yourself from The Greedy Relativesâ??The Thai/Asian Way.

Related Posts from the past:

 

The Dummies Guide to Negotiating Price with Gogo Girls by Suk Psycho

Bangkok Guide

The Death of Gulliverâ??s Soi 5 by BigBabyKenny

Google Maps for Thailand now in Englishâ?¦

Beowulf, Culture Club and suddenly 15% growth!

Soi 7 Biergarten review

174 Responses to â??The Dummies Guide to Giving Thai Girls Money, Part 1 by BigBabyKennyâ?Â

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1. 1 Radicalron Oct 24th, 2008 at 3:08 pm

 

Dude, your a friggin Genious!!!!!

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2. 2 xxxx Oct 24th, 2008 at 3:17 pm

 

what comes around, goes aroundâ?¦

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3. 3 UnCochinoWetback Oct 24th, 2008 at 3:44 pm

 

i was thrilled to read this post as i was feeling confident that the mandatory poker reference would not plague another of BBKâ??s musings. that is until i kept reading.

 

anyone going to the BEHEMOTH or HAUNTED concerts in bangkok? what better place to meet a girl that will love to get it on to the luscious grooves and blast beats of black metal.

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4. 4 Young Penfold Oct 24th, 2008 at 5:02 pm

 

@ Imbringsexywetback - Good call. Ive always wanted to tap into the goth market. I can just picture myself hanging out the back of a headbanging grunge-babe. Wanna get myself some EMO self-harming action too. I hear theres a small scene up Khaosan road that needs to be investigated

 

Likewise Im gonna head to the MBK tattoo show at MBK next time it rolls around to try and score some inked up ass. If you dont have tattoos of your own, never fear, take a cue from BBKs guide to trolling round libraries where you have no business being thereâ?¦..

 

Simply stock up on those press-on tattoos you get from cereal packages and go nuts! These tattoo babes like the grungier look, so you can leave your shirts made of QUALITY FABRICS and DRESS SHOES back at your HIGH RISE CONDO.

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5. 5 Pants Elk Oct 24th, 2008 at 6:00 pm

 

BBK, I should tell you the Point Police were by asking for you, and I told them that as far as I knew you didnâ??t have one. But they have been known to casually drop one on the floor during a â??routine searchâ?Â, so be careful who you open the door to.

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6. 6 Mark Lamerton Oct 24th, 2008 at 7:04 pm

 

Interesting post, but I think itâ??s simpler than that. There are roughly four types of foreigners here: Expats who work for foreign companies, tourists who come here for fun (unless they were stupid enough to bring their wives/families), guys whoâ??ve retired here (50+), and then the guys who are here semi-permanently - that is they have to leave the country every ninety days and they donâ??t have a work permit. Expats often work here and bring their families, so they donâ??t spend much time in bars.

 

I think itâ??s the group of guys who are here semi-permanently that have the most problem with having to justify why they give their girlfriends money on a regular basis. Leaving aside the S/T experience (P4P) in which Thailand excels, if your girlfriend came from a bar (or something similar in which she went with customers for money) sheâ??s a whore. If you take her out of the bar and she lives with you and you pay her money - sheâ??s still a whore! Itâ??s not complicated. The litmus test is if you stop giving her money would she leave you?

 

Thailand is full of bright, beautiful University educated girls who work for a living, donâ??t have tattoos over their ass, donâ??t have stretch marks from having kids at 16 - and donâ??t work in a bar. They would be quite happy to go out with a foreigner, but most of the foreigners they know of (other than expats if they work in a large company) live in areas like Sukhumvit Soi 4 and prefer to give their money away. Itâ??s easy to go out with these girls - but you have to be working in a serious job, be legit (not leaving all the time to do visa runs) and be in the right environment. Decent girls wonâ??t go out with a foreigner if he spend his time whoring, nor would any woman for that matter. It also helps to be respectful of Thai customs.

 

Another test is if you go out with a girl - maybe sheâ??s not a bar girl - and sheâ??s always asking for money, or her family asks for money. In my book this also counts as a (borderline) whore.

 

I donâ??t see the point in having a gf you give money to when you could spend the same amount and have complete freedom and multiple partners, AKA bar girls.

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7. 7 JustinCider Oct 24th, 2008 at 7:05 pm

 

A lot of work went into that awesome post

Thanks for the great read BBK!

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8. 8 Pants Elk Oct 24th, 2008 at 7:28 pm

 

Itâ??s easier just to read Mark Lamertonâ??s comment, which condenses BBKâ??s biblical scroll (and indeeed his whole tiresome oeuvre) into something that makes a simple point clearly and then goes away. Bravo, Mark.

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9. 9 Wombat Oct 24th, 2008 at 7:37 pm

 

Another sermon from the mount. I couldnâ??t get past the 4th hometown hero. The line about assumed airs & endless pontificating got a wry smile though.

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10. 10 fanta Oct 24th, 2008 at 7:42 pm

 

Dunno why, but I always get the feeling that thereâ??s something very Germanic/Teutonic about BBKâ??s subs. He reads kind of like the Kraftwork of the P4P and mating game:

 

â??Sheâ??s a Thai girl and sheâ??s looking good

Iâ??d like to take her home I think thatâ??s understood

 

Starbucks of the library it is all the same

Not to get your end in would be such a shameâ?Â

[synth pulse x4 and fade]

 

Thereâ??s always lotâ??s of useful information too - just like in a Passat owners manual.

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11. 11 UnCochinoWetback Oct 24th, 2008 at 7:59 pm

 

YP- already got the tats and the connections with the local scene. khao san has some pretty nice joints for indie and punk but the black metal scene is actually pretty strong. the opening act for Behemoth is a respected thai black metal band. so iâ??ll see you at studio 125?

 

iâ??ll give a call to some metal chicks and bring them along. remember to wear your finest silk shirt with the top button free showing all your taco meat. a few gold chains and disco pants will complete the ensemble

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12. 12 hanuman Oct 24th, 2008 at 8:12 pm

 

â??In Thailand there is no BBDâ? Howâ??s that?

What happens when your girl meets the more hansume Pants Elk? Or the more refined YP? Or the all muscular BBB?

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13. 13 Young Penfold Oct 24th, 2008 at 8:50 pm

 

@ wetterthananotterspocket - Disoc pants? No problem - check the avatar. Or did you mean â??evening slacks?â??

 

Unfortunately, at my tender age, I have no real â??taco meatâ?? to speak of. I am however, forever getting stopped in Siam Paragon as im shopping for Balooga and rubbers, by hi-so Thais and celebs quizzing men â??where on earth did you get this pastel turquoise shirt and beige chinos from? - the quality of the fabric is second to none - you must be a REAL man-about-town? You fancy a trip to The Peep Inn for some brown love?â?Â

 

By all means bring the heavy metal babes along, and prepare them for a WILD NIGHT. Theyâ??ll be positively foaming at â??the lipsâ?? at my engrossing poker stories.

 

How can it go wrong?

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14. 14 SukPsycho Oct 24th, 2008 at 8:54 pm

 

I did not read the post but I like to read the comments.

 

@ Mark L: What type is BBK then?

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15. 15 Young Penfold Oct 24th, 2008 at 9:24 pm

 

@ SukPsycho - you didnt miss much

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16. 16 The Asian Badger Oct 24th, 2008 at 10:36 pm

 

BBKâ?¦Dude, you have to include a glossary and an index for these posts.

 

@Mark..nice summaryâ?¦.thanks.

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17. 17 Cromwell Butterfield Oct 24th, 2008 at 10:40 pm

 

Interesting, but how does this apply to a â??normalâ? girl? This seems to apply almost entirely to whores, and yeah, in the whore realm this advice seems to make a great deal of sense.

 

Ummm, maybe Iâ??m wrong, but you donâ??t give normal girls money unless youâ??re married to her and she quits her job? What I really want to know is how to get into these only-in-Thailand relationships where the girl seems to be supporting the guy!:) Seems quite common here, so must be part of the culture!

 

Secondly, umm, what sort of girl wonâ??t have other options so will have to take anything offered her? Surely not a girl worth having? Surely anyone worth having will indeed not find it too hard to find another â??sponserâ? if you make it too hard for her?

 

All this talk of incentive structures sounds a bit harsh to apply to a normal relationship where the transaction is conducted in affection, warmth, desirable personal qualities, etc. To whores, yeah, this is GREAT advice! But regular girls?!

 

I donâ??t know, BBK, but maybe youâ??ve allowed your delight with the whore scene and the way itâ??s packaged to appear innocent blur your perceptions of the regular and whore world? Thatâ??s actually quite a common thing in Thailand, where unfamiliarity with the culture leads people to declare that whoring is just a kind of normal relationship, because itâ??s accepted and seems nicer than back home. But even Thais who might keep mistresses and patronise whores with great generosity draw a clear line between normal and whore.

 

I agree with the whole â??hometown heroâ? bit and how most internet posts give a completely distorted view of Thailand - I got the most distorted view of Thailand imaginable from the â??net. The WORST thing a newbie to Thailand can do is read the â??net about Thailand and actually believe a shred of what he reads without being able to put in context and see where itâ??s exaggerated, etc, it will poison his mind. Thatâ??s spot on.

 

In fact, thatâ??s a phenomenon thatâ??s being going on since colonial times in Asia, where the older community would â??indoctrinateâ? the younger arrival with a hideously twisted and negative view of the native community and poison his mind with distrust and dislike, ensuring that he would approach the natives with a terrible attitude, which would just perpetuate the cycle. Really tragic, and Orwell, Foster, and others commented on this vicious phenomenon. Itâ??s interesting to see this still alive in Asia.

 

In a new culture itâ??s often really hard to navigate your way through the unfamiliar cultural landscape and figure out who to trust and who not, what signs to look for, what language means in certain contexts, etc, so as a simple self defense measure itâ??s EASIER to just say EVERYONE is dishonest. It isnâ??t true, but itâ??s EASY for most people, thatâ??s how I think this whole thing got started.

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18. 18 The Heckler Oct 24th, 2008 at 10:56 pm

 

That was funny. Hilarious really. I mean, kinda like â??Quick, slap me on my back real frigginâ?? hard cause Iâ??m laughing so much I might just fucking DIE!â??

 

As an aside, what about the girls such as the one that approached my friend at a club and queried â??Have you been with my friend?â? â??No.â? â??Okay, meet me outside in five minutes. Iâ??ll pick you up.â? Pulled up in her late model Mercedes and whisked him off to his 7000 baht per month apartment for a solid 12 hour sex-fest. Or the girl that he met at a different venue. The girl that just last week picked him up in said squalid apartment in her brand new BMW, and over dinner at the Face Bar (she paid) presented him with a bottle of cologne she purchased while vacationing in Dubaiâ?¦then drove him home and fucked him all night long. What kind of tasks do you demand of them when you present them the BBD?

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19. 19 jack dawson Oct 24th, 2008 at 11:00 pm

 

I donâ??t know about all that but boy did a hot (Thai) girl get on the same BTS car as me today at Chtilom.

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20. 20 The Heckler Oct 24th, 2008 at 11:07 pm

 

*still laughing â?? and JD doesnâ??t help* harharhar

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21. 21 BigBabyKenny Oct 25th, 2008 at 2:17 am

 

Mark Lamerton,

 

My view is that most of the time, the Thai girl you are with has a lot less money and has a much harsher lifestyle than you. The relationship is asymmetric.

 

If it is not just a one night stand for money deal and you are human, it is natural to want to give her some money and buy her some nice things.

 

I also think it is reasonable when she requests your assistance. After all the reason you are with her is that you like her and enjoy her company and it is a pretty cold hearted guy who can spend lots of baht taking her out to nice restaurants, spending money going to the movies together, and going out to night clubs and stand by mute when she is about to get kicked out of her apartment because she canâ??t pay the rent, her teeth are rotting away because she canâ??t afford to go to the dentist, or she has a big mole on her face that she canâ??t afford to get removed.

 

Your comment:

 

â??Thailand is full of bright, beautiful University educated girls who work for a living, donâ??t have tattoos over their ass, donâ??t have stretch marks from having kids at 16 - and donâ??t work in a bar. They would be quite happy to go out with a foreigner, but most of the foreigners they know of (other than expats if they work in a large company) live in areas like Sukhumvit Soi 4 and prefer to give their money away. Itâ??s easy to go out with these girls - but you have to be working in a serious job, be legit (not leaving all the time to do visa runs) and be in the right environment.â?Â

 

I agree with you. If you leave The Reservation there is a whole world out there to explore and enjoy.

 

See the Starbucks and the Ramkahaeng Library post.

 

â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??-

Cromwell Butterfield,

 

The comments to Mark Lammerton apply to your comment as well.

Even the normal Thai girls with normal jobs are usually going to have a lot less money than you do. If you like them it is natural to want to get them some nice things and help them out once in awhile.

 

The amount of money involved is usually comparable to what you are spending on The Reservation hanging with girls so it no big deal financially.

 

There is a whole Asian thing where you help people out and they have an obligation to assist you in the future that come into play here tooâ??-but that is the subject of Part 2.

 

So given that you are probably going to end up giving the normal Thai girls you have been banging some money, the post is all about discussing the good and bad ways of doing it because, letâ??s face it, most guys from The World are not that experienced doing it.

 

Giving girls money is a normal everyday occurrence in Thailand/Asia but it is uncommon and takes place under a completely different dynamic in The World.

 

The post is not about the P4P girls but the normal girls and the ones who are on the borders of P4P world. I put some of the G-Girls in the this category BTW.

 

â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??

The Heckler,

 

What you want to read is The Dummies to Getting Thai Girls to Give You Money.

 

Completely different subject.

 

Maybe he can be asked to be taken on a trip to Hong Kong or Shanghai where in exchange for airfare and hotel he gets to be handcuffed naked to the bed for a couple of hours while his girlfriend is off shopping in Causeway Bay and only gets uncuffed after she returns and he sexually satisfies her. :)

 

BigBabyKenny

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22. 22 Pants Elk Oct 25th, 2008 at 7:34 am

 

No, wait a minute, Iâ??m being unfair. I think BBK is a truly amazing writer. It takes a unique talent to make living in Bangkok sound as exciting as a rainy bank holiday in Wales with your mother-in-law. And to write for so long and so relentlessly about so little is impressive in itself - his dedication to his thankless task is Sisyphean (possibly mis-spelt classical reference, in the manner of show-off blog commenters everywhere).

 

The sight of the eager-to-learn sex-tourist unrolling an endless print-out of BKKâ??s Dummies Guides in the clubs and bars of Bangkok, often using a pocket torch and mouthing the sage advice therein soundlessly before putting it into practice, has become a much-loved BKK institution, along with dreadlocked banana pancake eaters on the Khao San Road. The question â??hmmm â?¦ what does BBK say about this?â? has become part of the process of Banging Thai Girls for everyone. Or not.

 

Never mind the critics, Kenny! You still have a loyal fan who thinks you a genius, and the fact that he canâ??t spell the word should not be a concern to you. This is your demographic.

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23. 23 cranialgalactic Oct 25th, 2008 at 7:48 am

 

Iâ??ve always wondered where the metal and rock scene in Bangkok was or if there is one. Are there a lot of clubs/bars that regularly feature metal bands other than Metal Zone (if itâ??s even still open)?

Great post BBK. â??Performance Package.â? LOL.

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24. 24 UnCochinoWetback Oct 25th, 2008 at 10:04 am

 

cranialgalactical- studio 125 has good metal shows once in a while featuring international acts. As I Lay Dying played their longest show in history there. The rock pub has decent shows once in a blue moon but most of the time features that hair metal pre-grunge crap.

 

if you want to check out more on the metal scene in thailand check out http://www.siammetal.com where they have updates on shows, local bands and venues.

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25. 25 Cromwell Butterfield Oct 25th, 2008 at 12:15 pm

 

BBK - Well, that seems a bit misleading to me. Of course you should be generous to these poor girls, and help them out in all sorts of ways, but if youâ??re dealing with a normal girl - not a prostitute - then you really shouldnâ??t have to worry about being manipulated by her nor should you be expecting anything back except affection and warmth, donâ??t you think?

 

Yet it seems to me that most of your post is a very intelligent and well thought out explanation of strategy and tactics to help avoid being exploited by girls and to maximize returns on your money.

 

Strategy and tactics apply to warfare and business, less so in romance (although a bit there too :) ) , so I really have a hard time seeing how any of this can apply to normal, regular romance.

 

It seems to me that most guys have little trouble with money and normal girls, itâ??s the whores which destroy them - and for the simple and obvious reason that these guys fail to deal with it as a business situation, where your advice is excellent and very much needed, and instead approach it as a lovely little romance.

 

So yeah, in the end, your post is excellent and much needed advice for guys who deal with whores, but I think the best - and perhaps the only - real piece of advice needed is to not delude yourself and remember you are in a business relationship. The girl will never forget that. Keep that in your mind, and you will automatically switch into business strategy and tactics mode and you wonâ??t act like an idiot. Just because youâ??re doing business doesnâ??t mean you shouldnâ??t be polite, civil, even friendly and affectionate to your whore! Just never forget what itâ??s all about, at the end of the day. She wonâ??t. And if you do, sheâ??ll eat yaâ?? alive, like any good business woman worth her salt. And good for her, she should!

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26. 26 zepplin Oct 25th, 2008 at 12:41 pm

 

as usual the critics are quick to pull out their knives ,and the replys were most entertaining.thats why i enjoy this site so much.i havnt tried handcuffing my girlfriend to the bed yet and leaving her there for an hour or two,not sure how that would go down.maybe im not kinky enough.i might try the underwear bit though.

bbk i think its time your poker references should be dropped-they might sound good in your head but â?¦keep up the good job anyway,it was different-not sure about appying it to any woman who is not a lowly whore .ive had a girlfriend here for over a year,she never asks for money and she keeps the place spotless without dangeling a carrot in front of her eyes.

 

any ideas if thailand might devalue the bht?being from oz it cant come quick enough.cheers to all rt.

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27. 27 sideshowBOB Oct 25th, 2008 at 12:55 pm

 

zep

 

personally I donâ??t think they will move to devalue. I think talking about it is the plan since that in and of itself makes for a weaker baht.

 

as stated before though the oz money problem is not a baht issue. the oz dollar is just getting creamed against every currency.

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28. 28 john the baptist Oct 25th, 2008 at 2:47 pm

 

Although this is pretty simple stuff when you think about it, most people donâ??t think about it. At any rate I hadnâ??t. A new set of concepts helps you develop new ways of thinking. The poker analogies put the necessary concepts in your head in a way that youâ??re unlikely to forget; they make you analyse, categorise and plan. So in contrast to zep, Iâ??d say keep them in.

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29. 29 Random Gun Nut Oct 25th, 2008 at 3:03 pm

 

Iâ??d like to see other models being used, ones weâ??re more familiar with. Letâ??s see Connect Four being used in a metaphorical way to help us off the reservation.

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30. 30 fanta Oct 25th, 2008 at 3:25 pm

 

BBK, this is fatally flawed. You assert:

 

â??The vast majority of the time, The Deal you offer a normal Thai girl is not only Bigger and Better than any other available deal, most of the time it is the ONLY deal on the table. Your deal, no matter how modest the terms, dominates the alternativeâ??which is typically no deal at all.â?Â

 

And:

 

â??IN THAILAND THERE IS NO DANGER OF YOUR THAI GIRL MOVING ON BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING DECENT TO MOVE ONTO!!!

 

IN THAILAND, THERE IS NO BBD !!!â?Â

 

However, would not this Thai girl be able to find some other Thai or Farang who was simply not such a creepy anus as to demand your 1, 2, 3, or 4 for cash? Isnâ??t that precisely a BBD? After all, your recommendation just comes down to forcing them to recognize that they are whoreâ??s for your money. Hereâ??s an idea: for the money you give em, perhaps you could ask them to video you jacking off to undergraduates in the university library?

 

Your ideas on how to â??make it fun to give Thai girls moneyâ?Â

is really a degradation of whores, money, sex, libraries and women.

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31. 31 3amigos Oct 25th, 2008 at 4:13 pm

 

Enjoyed the post. Made sense.

Previously mentioned the Bar Girls Ten Commandments which mistakenly thought we read here.

Some of you will enjoy this:

 

http://www.stickmanweekly.com/StickMarkII/TheThaiBargirlsTenCommandments2008Update.htm

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32. 32 John Brown Oct 25th, 2008 at 5:45 pm

 

Somebody has â??controlâ? issues me thinksâ?¦

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33. 33 Great Gatsby Oct 25th, 2008 at 9:49 pm

 

BBK - the way you dispense your information and opinions makes YOU sound like one of the â??Masterâ??s of the Universeâ? that you look down upon.

 

Regarding your post - it seems like a lot of Thai girls with multiple sponsors sending them money every month already have the BBD (bigger better deal) so this point is moot.

 

Iâ??m not solely referring to gogo chrome pole dancers or BGs, also girls working normal jobs who meet farang (as nurses, flight attendants, dept store clerks, office workers, etc), or the ones touring the Singapore, HK, Sydney whore circuit. These girls arenâ??t stupid, they know they are hot. They know guys want to f*ck them and are willing to invest time and money to do so. Youâ??re not saving them from some squalid death chamber with no running water or electricity. They are born in Thailand. That is how life is for a lot of Thais.

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34. 34 Nok Opayop Oct 26th, 2008 at 12:37 am

 

I thought that this was another of BBKâ??s rather too long posts. BUT, I always find something useful and interesting in his posts and in this one I really liked the idea of obtaining crazy sexual favours in return for ones money. I have a girl that I know who is crazy enough to go for these daft things - just the sort that BBK talks about, a girl who is looking for an excuse to stop being â??a good girlâ?Â. Thanks Kenny, I will give your ideas a try.

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35. 35 The Middle Stooge Oct 26th, 2008 at 2:01 am

 

Always interesting to read BBKâ??s enemies respond. He may be the most reviled blogger here (at least amongst the Bigmangobar sycophants). I wonder however, have you (BBK) actually implemented any of your strategies? Or are you just a theorist?

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36. 36 Young Penfold Oct 26th, 2008 at 3:09 am

 

I always picture the guys that respond to BBKs wildy inaccurate tripe with shit like â??hhhhmmm great postâ?? and â??very imformative - Thanks!â??â?¦â?¦

Most likely guys who wear beige and eat biscuits in meetings. In the 2weeks a year they spend in BKK, they speak pidgeon english to ugly hookers and eat ferang food every day in english pubs. Probably have names like Trevor or Ken. Perhaps a Dennis or 2?

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37. 37 mart Oct 26th, 2008 at 4:53 am

 

Penfold, Dude, your a friggin Genious!

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38. 38 Young Penfold Oct 26th, 2008 at 6:10 am

 

Mart, dude, your a great convenience store! Your my saviour when shopping for my weekly essentials such as condoms, milk, fruit mentos, sanitary towels, DTAC and biros!

 

If you could stock up on horse tranquilizers and an antacid to stop me vomitting violently like that chick from the excorist, im sure I would enjoy BBKs post ten-fold!

You rule! Thanks! Young Penfold

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39. 39 Young Penfold Oct 26th, 2008 at 6:12 am

 

Doubel dip - I missed Weetabix off the list

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40. 40 fender Oct 26th, 2008 at 7:04 am

 

So, I only scanned the article and then started reading the replies. I saw this:

 

IN THAILAND THERE IS NO DANGER OF YOUR THAI GIRL MOVING ON BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING DECENT TO MOVE ONTO!!!

 

IN THAILAND, THERE IS NO BBD !!!

 

but I didnâ??t catch where BBK defined â??BBDâ? earlier in the article. A lot of replies also referred to â??BBDâ?Â, so I thought this was a generally understood mongering term that I just wasnâ??t clued into, like p4p or LB or TG or LT/ST or whatever. So, naturally, I went to urbandictionary to find out what it meant, and the first entry wasâ?¦â?Âbig black dick.â? So, until I read GGâ??s post, I spent the last 2 days thinking that the crux of BBKâ??s article was about how to get the girls to be into me, at least until she latches on to some brotha who can bust her apartâ?¦

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41. 41 mart Oct 26th, 2008 at 7:45 am

 

My dear Foldy, shall I stop stocking SPY pink and disposable anal plugs as you didnâ??t mention them?

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42. 42 sideshowBOB Oct 26th, 2008 at 10:17 am

 

tms - bbk is for real. The reason he writes about it and the strategies behind the money is cause bbk is not as good as looking as myself, yp or tricycle. So he has to throw the money around but that is the beauty of thailand.

 

I always like to remind people. Out of bbkâ??s 31 posts they are usually the most commented posts on the blog and they are consistently in the top 25 most read posts of all time.

 

love him or hate em - people read it.

 

fun stuff.

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43. 43 Casey Kasem Oct 26th, 2008 at 2:36 pm

 

This article was fucking ponderous, man. Fucking ponderous.

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44. 44 Mr Right Oct 26th, 2008 at 6:58 pm

 

I have a small dick. Like really small. An acorn with testicles.

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45. 45 Pants Elk Oct 26th, 2008 at 7:26 pm

 

My penis is so small I need tweezers to take a leak! Letâ??s meet in a church basement somewhere and hug!

 

PS Whatâ??s a testicle?

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46. 46 mart Oct 26th, 2008 at 7:57 pm

 

PE - itâ??s a legal document in which one says whoâ??s going to inherit their property after their death.

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47. 47 milo Oct 26th, 2008 at 10:25 pm

 

Penfold, the selection of names was on the money. To be honest I think most British farang in Thailand are called Trevor, Ken or Dennis. Or Lee, Gary, Ste, Jason/Jase/Jay. These are the type of men who wear blue tracksuit bottoms come rain or shine and smoke â??B&H Silverâ?? right down to the quick.

 

Iâ??m not going to â??hate onâ?? BBK because I like his work. Quite frankly, if i could commit myself to writing as often as he does I would not be sharing my insights on Thai whores with you â??orrible lot but instead aspiring to the literary endeavour of Proust or Henry James - who, with his â??ponderously warm manner of saying nothing in infinite sentencesâ?? has more in common with BBK than at first you might think.

 

But saying that, Iâ??m being unfair. Behind the weight of the first few pars BBK makes a very valid point that isnâ??t heard enough in the â??kokosphereâ?? - that is, if youâ??re going to give money to women, Thai or otherwise, make damn sure you get what you want in return. Weâ??ve all got mates who are surprised when you tell them you went to an MP and you got a rimjob. And they ask â??how do you manage thatâ?? - and you can only reply, â??because I paid and I asked her to.â?? :)

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48. 48 Young Penfold Oct 27th, 2008 at 12:53 am

 

@ Milo im mildly embarrased as you actually mentioned my name in that little chavvy list you jest reeled off

 

Ive always wondered what the REAL names behind the posters/avatars actually are. I can confirm BBBs real name sounds like a cheap haulage company, and Pants Elks has the name of a geography teacher with paedophillic (is that even a word) tendencies

 

Id love to think UncochinioWetback has a cool south american name. Something youâ??d expect from a brazilian footballer. Kind of a letdown if it would be â??herbâ?? or â??guyâ??

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49. 49 BigBabyKenny Oct 27th, 2008 at 2:03 am

 

Fanta,

 

From what I observe, there arenâ??t enough Farang to go around so there really is no BBD. Walking around the various venues of Sukhumvit, the foreign businessman and Thai G-Clubs, and the clubs and discos on Rachada, RCA, etc., I donâ??t see that many decent farang and when I am exposed to normal Thai girls they always react positively to any halfway decent farang.

 

Also, my experience is that Thai girls pretty adventurous and open minded and open minded sexuallyâ??and I am not talking about the just the GoGo and P4P girls. I am talking about the normal Thai girls.

 

So I donâ??t agree with your characterization of anything but plain vanilla, missionary position, lights out, banging as â??degradationâ?Â.

 

â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??

Great Gatsby,

 

The GoGo girls and internet specialists who have multiple sponsors fall into the â??multi-timingâ? scam artists referred to in the post.

 

They are just professional scam artists working the Hometown Hero circuit so I donâ??t think anything in the post applies to them.

 

They are same same as the tuk tuk drivers selling 1000 THB rides from the airport, the taxi drivers hijacking tourists to take them to diamondd merchants etc., and should be treated as such.

 

BigBabyKenny

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50. 50 BigBabyKenny Oct 27th, 2008 at 2:15 am

 

Young Penfold and Pants Elk,

 

I think the lyrics from an Elvis Costello Song applies to you two card carrying members of the BigMango Haterâ??s Clubs.

 

As I walk through

This wicked world

Searchin for light in the darkness of insanity.

 

I ask myself

Is all hope lost?

Is there only pain and hatred, and misery?

 

And each time I feel like this inside,

Theres one thing I wanna know:

Whats so funny bout peace love & understanding? ohhhh

Whats so funny bout peace love & understanding?

 

And as I walked on

Through troubled times

My spirit gets so downhearted sometimes

So where are the strong

And who are the trusted?

And where is the harmony?

Sweet harmony.

 

So I ask you two. In your lives:

 

Is all hope lost?

Is there only pain and hatred and misery?

Whatâ??s so funny about peace love and understanding?

 

Peace Brothers. :)

 

BigBabyKenny

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51. 51 milo Oct 27th, 2008 at 2:19 am

 

@Penfold. Soz!

 

Leafy Hertfordshire chavvy? Surely no :)

 

Thereâ??s always that risk when you insult names. I once said â??I hate the name Francisâ?? to someone who, unknown to me, had the middle name Francis. It could only have been worse if Iâ??d have said it to his mum.

 

My real name is Eddie Stobart, btw.

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52. 52 Mr Right Oct 27th, 2008 at 4:45 am

 

My dick is so small.

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53. 53 Pants Elk Oct 27th, 2008 at 7:57 am

 

Ooooh, BBK, I donâ??t hate what you write, or you, or anything at all very much. I think I hate the prospect of John McCain somehow winning the election, and I certainly used to hate my ex-wife and therefore white women in general (some of this hatred has left a sticky residue), but hate you?

I wish youâ??d make even one person you write about seem like a real person, and not just part of some labyrinthine human sudoku.

I wish you wrote something anecdotal; a story rather than another interminable lecture, because youâ??ve done this format to death.

I wish you were funny. Not your fault.

I wish youâ??d stop codifying and categorising; this is a numbingly dull and academic approach for a town that is anything but. You could be writing about the Potsdam tram schedules, or the correct way of mass-producing re-inforced concrete. It impresses some, but the Potsdam tram schedules impress some people.

 

Peace and love, man. Not that youâ??re going to find either in any quantity in Bangkok.

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54. 54 Young Penfold Oct 27th, 2008 at 8:24 pm

 

Ahhh bless�� BBK attempts humour - A bit like watching your dad dancing at a disco with his tie round his head and skidding along on his knees playing air guitar. Slightly cringeworthy

 

@Milo - Sadly I have a distant auntie whos a member of the eddie stobbart fan club. Sheâ??d be thrilled to learn of our correspondance. However she does stink of wee, and lives in a maisonette with 17 cats

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55. 55 john the baptist Oct 27th, 2008 at 10:13 pm

 

YP: you really should stop pissing on your granny.

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56. 56 BigBabyKenny Oct 28th, 2008 at 12:28 am

 

Young Penfold,

 

It wasnâ??t meant to be funny.

 

I was serious.

 

So I will ask you again.

 

Is all hope lost?

Is there only pain and hatred and misery?

Whatâ??s so funny about peace love and understanding?

 

â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??

 

If this doesnâ??t strike home. Maybe the lyrics to the Bruce Springsteen Song â??Glory Daysâ? will strike a chord with you.

 

I had a friend was a big baseball player

back in high school

He could throw that speedball by you

Make you look like a fool boy

Saw him the other night at this roadside bar

I was walking in, he was walking out

We went back inside sat down had a few drinks

but all he kept talking about was

 

Chorus:

Glory days well theyâ??ll pass you by

Glory days in the wink of a young girlâ??s eye

Glory days, glory days

 

Well thereâ??s a girl that lives up the block

back in school she could turn all the boyâ??s heads

Sometimes on a Friday Iâ??ll stop by

and have a few drinks after she put her kids to bed

Her and her husband Bobby well they split up

I guess itâ??s two years gone by now

We just sit around talking about the old times,

she says when she feels like crying

she starts laughing thinking about

 

Chorus

 

My old man worked 20 years on the line

and they let him go

Now everywhere he goes out looking for work

they just tell him that heâ??s too old

I was 9 nine years old and he was working at the

Metuchen Ford plant assembly line

Now he just sits on a stool down at the Legion hall

but I can tell whatâ??s on his mind

 

Glory days yeah goin back

Glory days aw he ainâ??t never had

Glory days, glory days

 

Now I think Iâ??m going down to the well tonight

and Iâ??m going to drink till I get my fill

And I hope when I get old I donâ??t sit around thinking about it

but I probably will

Yeah, just sitting back trying to recapture

a little of the glory of, well time slips away

and leaves you with nothing mister but

boring stories of glory days

 

â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??

 

Someday you will sit down, isten to this song, and the words will really strike home.

 

BigBabyKenny

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57. 57 Werewolf Oct 28th, 2008 at 12:46 am

 

BBK: Not that I speak for Penfold, but I think these ARE his glory days. Heâ??s barely out of his nappies â?? not old enough to relate to the Springsteen song is my guess.

 

I, on the other hand, love the Glory Days song, and it holds a lot of meaning for me.

 

But of course, Iâ??m already over my particular hill and on a quick run along the downhill side of my life. :)

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58. 58 BigBabyKenny Oct 28th, 2008 at 12:53 am

 

Werewolf,

 

I think the message for Young Penfold in the Springsteen song is â??Time slips away and leaves you with nothing but boring stories of glory days.â?Â

 

When he is Fat Middle Aged Penfold or Old Wrinkled Penfold what â??Glory Daysâ? will he have to rememberâ??-memories of being angry?

 

BigBabyKenny

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59. 59 Bangkok Bad Boy Oct 28th, 2008 at 12:54 am

 

@BBK: The day Young Penfold is moved by a Springsteen lyric will be the day I choose to sit down and play a hand of poker :)

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60. 60 Bangkok Bad Boy Oct 28th, 2008 at 12:56 am

 

Double dip: Why is it that everyone who disagrees with BBKâ??s lectures is described as â??angryâ?� I strongly suspect theyâ??re all smiling as they type. I know I was, when I could be bothered.

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61. 61 BigBabyKenny Oct 28th, 2008 at 1:02 am

 

Bangkok Bad Boy,

 

OK.

 

How about the lyrics to Better Dayz by Tupak Shakur?

 

BigBabyKenny

 

â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??

 

Thinkin back as an adolescent, who wouldâ??ve guessed

that in my future years, Iâ??d be stressin

Some say the ghettoâ??s sick and corrupted

Plus my P.O. wonâ??t let me hang with the brothers I grew up with

Tryin to keep my head up and stay strong

All my homies slangin llello all day long, but they wrong

So Iâ??m solo and so broke

Savin up for some Jordanâ??s, cause they dope

I got a girl and I love her but she broke too, and so am I

I canâ??t take her to the place she wanna go to

So we argue and play fight, all day and night

Makin passionate love â??til the daylight

Plus we about to get evicted, canâ??t pay the rent

Guess itâ??s time to see who really is yoâ?? friend

Tell me you pregnant and Iâ??m amazed

So many blessings while we stressin

Lookin for them better days

 

For better days, better days, better days, heyyy!

Better days.. got me thinkin bout better days

Better days, better days, better days

Heyyy! Better days.. got me thinkin bout better days

 

[Verse Three]

Now me and you was real cool, hell on them square fools

Since back in high school, we was true, me and you

Hardly parted or seperated, we stayed faded

Affiliated with gangbangers and still made it

Up in the gym, mess with me, gotta mess with him

Still dressin like grown men when rollin

I went to dark, smokin Newports, gamin marks

Got a place in my heart, homey stay smart

Locked you up in the pen, and gave you three to ten

I send you letters with naked flicks of old friends

Hopin you well, I know itâ??s hell

Doin time in the cells, you need mail, when you in jail

And me Iâ??m doin cool

I settled down, had a family, workin in night school

Every once in a while, I reminisce

And wonder how we ever came to this

I miss the better days

 

Better days, better days, heyyy!

Better days.. Iâ??m thinkin bout better days

Better days, better days, better days

Heyyy! Better days.. got me thinkin bout better days

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62. 62 Werewolf Oct 28th, 2008 at 1:07 am

 

Can I ask â?? as a favor to me â?? pleaseâ?¦ no more song lyrics. At least for a few hours.

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63. 63 BigBabyKenny Oct 28th, 2008 at 1:10 am

 

Bangkok Bad Boy,

 

I guess we could describe Ted Bundy as â??Passionateâ?Â. :)

 

BigBabyKenny

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64. 64 Bangkok Bad Boy Oct 28th, 2008 at 1:11 am

 

@BBK: Whilst Iâ??m delighted that youâ??ve found a method of analogy that doesnâ??t involve a card game even duller than Solitaire, Iâ??m disappointed that it seems to be even less effective at making a point.

 

Only a suggestion, which I realise youâ??re generally impervious to, but perhaps youâ??d like to consider addresssing the dissenters using your own words, and without quoting dreadful American â??musiciansâ?�

 

Just a thought :)

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65. 65 BigBabyKenny Oct 28th, 2008 at 1:29 am

 

Bangkok Bad Boy,

 

I didnâ??t know Young Penfold had or needed a nanny to protect him.

 

Just a thought. :)

 

BigBabyKenny

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66. 66 Young Penfold Oct 28th, 2008 at 1:43 am

 

Bruce Springstein eh? I had you down as a Nat King Cole type of guyâ?¦.. Now there was a guy who knew his QUALITY FABRICS!

 

On the subject of being angryâ?¦.. Not at all. Im not alone in my views of your posts.

 

Your posts comes across like lectures. Youd make a great lecturer Id say. However id happily swap places with a blind, deaf, dumb albino amputee with shingles and a club foot then put myself through that ordeal on a daily basis

 

Sorry if you have the tone of my posts all wrong. Im not shouting at you. Im kind of sniggering and shaking my head in amazement. Cheekily like

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67. 67 BigBabyKenny Oct 28th, 2008 at 1:52 am

 

Young Penfold,

 

Sorry. My mistake.

 

When a bloke writes and every sentence contains the words FUCKER, ASSHOLE, CUNT, or WHORE and when everything he writes glorifies himself and puts down everyone else, I always assume he is angry,shouting,and has a chip on his shoulder.

 

BigBabyKenny

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68. 68 fender Oct 28th, 2008 at 1:56 am

 

I prefer this song (â?ÂI Likeâ?Â, by Heathen Dan):

 

I like smokinâ?? me some grass,

Gettinâ?? cut with glass,

Sniffinâ?? my cocaine,

and pain.

 

I like noses full of snot,

Dead things when they rot,

Belchinâ?? just for fun,

and scum.

 

I like smackinâ?? little boys,

Breakinâ?? all their toys,

Needles in my arm,

and harm.

 

I like knuckles when they pop,

Screaminâ?? at a cop,

Bugs around my ears,

and tears.

 

I like lizards in the grass,

Smellingâ?? raunchy gas,

Slippinâ?? on some ice,

and lice.

 

I like catchinâ?? me the flu,

Snails in a stew,

Armpits when theyâ??re wet,

and sweat.

 

I like barfinâ?? on nice rugs,

Chewinâ?? little slugs,

Leeches suckinâ?? blood,

and mud.

 

And I like you, too.

 

:)

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69. 69 Young Penfold Oct 28th, 2008 at 2:03 am

 

Well seeing as I didnt swear in my last posts, I accept your apology. Ill also extend that apology to the hordes of poor CUNTS (whoops!) who are subjected to the Dummies Guides. On behalf of BBK. Im so FUCKING (not again) sorry!

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70. 70 Mr Right Oct 28th, 2008 at 5:53 am

 

Is BigBabyKenny paid for his contributions? Is he even real? If he is real, he needs a girlfriend or a job. (both?) Clearly he has a monumental amount of spare time on his hands. Maybe some volunteering or something?

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71. 71 BigBabyKenny Oct 28th, 2008 at 7:04 am

 

Young Penfold,

 

After you are finished listening to Springsteen and Tupak, I think the Michael Jackson song Man in the Mirror should be next on your listening list.

 

As the great and profound Michael Jackson sings,

 

If you want to make the world a better place ��.

 

BigBabyKenny

 

â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??-

Iâ??m gonna make a change, for once in my life

Itâ??s gonna feel real good, gonna make a difference

Gonna make it rightâ?¦

 

As I, turn up the collar on my favorite winter coat

This wind is blowinâ?? my mind

I see the kids in the street, with not enough to eat

Who am I, to be blind? Pretending not to see their needs

A summerâ??s disregard, a broken bottle top

And a one manâ??s soul

They follow each other on the wind yaâ?? know

â??Cause they got nowhere to go

Thatâ??s why I want you to know

 

Iâ??m starting with the man in the mirror

Iâ??m asking him to change his ways

And no message could have been any clearer

If you wanna make the world a better place

(If you wanna make the world a better place)

Take a look at yourself, and then make a change

(Take a look at yourself, and then make a change)

(Na na na, na na na, na na, na nah)

 

Iâ??ve been a victim of a selfish kind of love

Itâ??s time that I realize

That there are some with no home, not a nickel to loan

Could it be really me, pretending that theyâ??re not alone?

 

A willow deeply scarred, somebodyâ??s broken heart

And a washed-out dream

(Washed-Out dream)

They follow the pattern of the wind, yaâ?? see

Cause they got no place to be

Thatâ??s why Iâ??m starting with me

(Starting with me!)

 

Iâ??m starting with the man in the mirror

(Ooh!)

Iâ??m asking him to change his ways

(Ooh!)

And no message could have been any clearer

If you wanna make the world a better place

(If you wanna make the world a better place)

Take a look at yourself and then make a change

(Take a look at yourself and then make a change)

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72. 72 Pants Elk Oct 28th, 2008 at 7:38 am

 

BBK, you really are some kind of genoius. Just when I thought your â??Dummies Gudesâ? were the most head-bangingly coma-inducing pieces on the net, you top them by making the comments section (generally the liveliest part of any blog) a graveyard of quoted song lyrics with the intention of making us go all doe-eyed in reflection on what weâ??re doing wrong with our lives (and, more importantly, how weâ??re misunderstanding *you* and your tireless efforts on our behalf to make the world a twinklier place). PLEASE stop using smiley-faces to show us what a nice guy you are.

 

Iâ??m not sure how the lyrics to Roger Millerâ??s â??Kansas City Starâ? are going to help your cause, but I offer them up to you as an object lesson in telling a human story quickly, effectively, and sympathetically:

 

â??Got a letter just this morninâ?? it was postmarked Omaha

It was typed and neatly written offerinâ?? me this better job

Better job at higher wages, expenses paid and a car

But Iâ??m on TV here locally and I canâ??t quit, Iâ??m a star

 

I come on TV grinnin,â?? wearinâ?? pistols and a hat

Itâ??s a kiddy show and Iâ??m a hero of the younger set

Iâ??m the number one attraction every supermarket parkinâ?? lot

Iâ??m the king of Kansas City, no thanks, Omaha, thanks a lot

 

CHORUS:

Kansas City star, thatâ??s what I are

Yodel-deedle ay-hee, you oughta see my car

I drive a big old Cadillac with wire wheels, got rhinestones on the spokes

I got credit down at the grocery store

And my barber tells me jokes

Iâ??m the number one attraction every supermarket parkinâ?? lot

Iâ??m the king of Kansas City, no thanks, Omaha, thanks a lotâ?Â

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73. 73 fender Oct 28th, 2008 at 7:46 am

 

BBK, I actually really dig your articles, but your recent posts have become the mix-tape (â?Âmy feelings for you are best expressed by the lyrics of these songsâ?Â) of this board. Iâ??m warning you, if you keep posting lame-ass song lyrics, Iâ??m gonna have to keep doing the same. Pretty soon, everyoneâ??s gonna hate us both. Please, please, please stop, for both our sakes!

 

Meanwhile, I dedicate this next song, Evil Dick by Body Count, to YP, even though it pretty much applies to all of us:

 

Evil, dick, evil, dick.

Evil, dick, evil, dick.

 

Evil dick likes warm, wet places,

Evil dick dont care about faces.

Evil dick likes young, tiny, small spaces,

Evil dick leaves little gooey telltale traces.

Evil dick.

 

Evil, dick, evil, dick.

Evil, dick, evil, dick.

 

Late at night evil dick he comes to me he says,

dont sleep alone, dont sleep alone.

Late at night evil dick he wakes me up he says, dont sleep

alone,

Dont sleep alone, dont sleep alone, dont sleep alone, dont sleep

Aloooooooooone.

Evil, dick, evil, dick.

Evil, dick, evil, dick.

 

I had this girl, she said she loved me,

Thought there was no one ever above me,

She wanted to marry, and have my child,

But evil dick, he had to get buck wild.

 

Took me out one night, out with the freaks

If ever there was pussy, evil dick would seek.

My girl caught me skeezin she said

I wasnt shit! I said, it wasnt me, baby.

It was the muthafucka

Evil dick!

 

And when evil dick has its way,

It sounds a little like this.

Ah, ah, ah, ah, oh, oh, oh, oh

Come here baby, come here baby,

Ah, ah, ah, ah,

Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh shit, oh, oh

Oh, ohâ?¦ damn dick!

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74. 74 Pants Elk Oct 28th, 2008 at 8:25 am

 

Hmmmm â?¦ is this one of Cole Porterâ??s lesser-known works?

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75. 75 Combover Oct 28th, 2008 at 9:01 am

 

I like the idea of posters having songs associated with them. For Young Penfold, can I propose â??Smokinâ?? in the Boysâ?? Roomâ? by Mötley Crüe?

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76. 76 sideshowBOB Oct 28th, 2008 at 10:01 am

 

mr right - with our massive ad revenue we hand it all over in bucket loads to bbk. u r funny dude.

 

to all:

 

We are approaching another record month on the blog. At this point today we should already beat last month. BBK is a part of that success - along with many of the contributors here. Thanks to all of you!

 

Granted everyone does not like what everyone else writes but I donâ??t understand why guys like YP could not spend more time writing rather than bashing BBK.

 

BBKâ??s stuff may not be liked by some but is incredibly liked by others. Why is though so hard to understand or why is it important to tear it down? Not sure I get it.

 

For the record:

 

Out of the top 20 all time posts BBK has 6 of them.

 

Just donâ??t see the point of always harping on the content you donâ??t like.

 

anyway. moving onâ?¦

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77. 77 Pants Elk Oct 28th, 2008 at 11:39 am

 

Because itâ??s FUN, Bob! And as all the â??negativeâ? comments add to your traffic, why make an issue of it? Would an endless stream of â??great post!â? make interesting reading? The comments section has a life of its own. Some posts get more thumbs-up than others - BBK rolls on anyway, no matter what anybody says. I think a lot of the so-called negative comments have valid positive points to make. And there is nothing less important, or more trivial, than a comment left on a blog. theyâ??re just remarks, the kind youâ??d make in convesation at the bar. But because theyâ??re â??in printâ? everyone (including you, dewd) tends to take them way too seriously.

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78. 78 sideshowBOB Oct 28th, 2008 at 11:42 am

 

pe - agreed. was not saying not do it but was more wondering why so many against BBK? I am a traffic whore. Oh shit - I hope that does not offend anyone.

 

So keep it all coming but the music lyrics are a bit muchâ?¦

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79. 79 Bangkok Bad Boy Oct 28th, 2008 at 12:05 pm

 

@ssB: Because he refuses to pay a single iota of attention to people who know better than he does, and is putting out bad information. The critics started out gently when he first began posting, almost a year and a half ago. But BBK has no interest in learning, only in preaching. Clearly this wears people down over time.

 

You know as well as I do that those who disagree with his posts are the people who live here, or are very frequent visitors, have a ton of experience, and understand how things work here. He has become a running joke for those in the know.

 

A high number of comments does not mean that the poster has made a good point. As satirised by myself in my breakfast piece. Iâ??m sure youâ??d agree that the number of comments it got does not indicate that 148 people agree with me on the virtues of black pudding.

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80. 80 Pants Elk Oct 28th, 2008 at 12:28 pm

 

Didja do your KSR piece yet #B? Didja huh didja?

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81. 81 Combover Oct 28th, 2008 at 12:34 pm

 

@BBB: Yes, agree with the first para 100%.

 

@Pants: â??#Bâ?� Is that a subliminal potato based ingredient reference snuck in there to wind up our premier breakfast authority?

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82. 82 fanta Oct 28th, 2008 at 12:35 pm

 

Thatâ??s right, turn the giving/lending of money into a â??gameâ??!

 

But what sort of game and who gets enjoyment and what sort of enjoyment is it?

 

I love to Jack off. But if I ask to borrow money from some person and the person from whom I wish to borrow it tells me I have to jack off in front of them, the enjoyment is for the lender, not the borrower, and the enjoyment is the power to humiliate through forcing an action (jacking off) that would otherwise have nothing else attached to it and would have been done for the sheer onanistic pleasure. This is the principle behind Kennyâ??s suggestions. Itâ??s creepy. Good one Kenny!

 

*(note that this does not apply for hookers where the meaning of the money and the act are quite different)

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83. 83 sideshowBOB Oct 28th, 2008 at 12:37 pm

 

bbb - was not using the comments but the stats.

 

I hear you but I still think he has an audience.

 

breakfast? eating a kk right now.

 

fuck black pudding.

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84. 84 BigBabyKenny Oct 28th, 2008 at 12:45 pm

 

SideshowBob,

 

Before I write this let me make it clear I am not referring to Young Penfold, Pants Elk, or any of the other regular posters.

 

Nothing written here is intended as a direct or indirect put down of any of the posters on this blog.

 

Without exception, every one of the regular posters whom I have met have been great guys, great fun to hang around with, and a great resource for learning more about The Thailand Girl Scene.

 

These are just general observations about expat life in Thailand.

 

With that out of the wayâ?¦..

 

A portion of the expat community are not rich. They support themselves and their lifestyles with the money they earn working in Thailand.

 

Working in Thailand is tough. The jobs available are not that great or that numerous. They donâ??t pay well and the working conditions stink.

 

Exacerbating the economics is the fact that the skillset of these expats is not that large or highly valued in Thailand.

 

The average or even twice the average Bangkok wage is not sufficient to allow unlimited indulgence in the nightlife scene. They have to budget themselves and some venues and many nightlife activities are financially prohibited.

 

What makes expat life tougher is that their situation is constantly being brought to their attention by the constant stream of tourists or guys who regularly vacation in Bangkok cycling through The Thailand Girl Scene with more disposable income and more freedom to indulge.

 

So you have a scene where there are lots of places and lots of ways to have fun, there are lots of guys having lots of fun, lots of ways but a portion of the expat community are left out. Their finances prevent them from regularly indulging and enjoying.

 

The situation creates a toxic brew of jealousy, bitterness, and hate that frequently breaks to the surface on the internet.

 

This list of things that regularly get bashed include the Japanese, Rainbow 4 girls, Thermae Japanese Specialists, rising barfines, rising beer prices, lack of respect from, GoGo girls, G-Clubs, Farang with high paying jobs at large corporations, and generally, any farang who does well and excels financially in Thailand.

 

The common theme among all the things that get bashed is that they are increasing the financial pressure on financially stressed expats who enjoy the nightlife.

 

When the subject shifts from nightlife activities that these expats can afford, such as Suthisan, the SWSM, Nana parking lot and the Biergarten to activities they canâ??t afford such as G-Clubs, the model lounge at Poisiden, Starbuckâ??s Soi Lang Suan Girls, and normal Thai girls things begin to get heated.

 

Anyone drawing attention to or saying anything positive about things these expats are precluded from gets shouted down.

 

Anyone arguing that the things expats are precluded from are fun and enjoyable gets barraged with anti-comments and anti-arguments.

 

Of course, as Pants Elk and BBB validly point out many of the anti- comments and arguments are valid and interesting but they are pressed with exceptional â??enthusiasmâ? because of the situation of the posters.

 

So there are lots of readers who are not members of this portion of the expat community who like to read things about parts of The Thailand Girl Scene that these expats are precluded from.

 

And there are the precluded expats who donâ??t.

 

I said it before and Iâ??ll say it again.

 

Where did all the fun go?

 

Can we get back to discussing and sharing information about how to get laid better, cheaper, and more efficiently?

 

Isnâ??t that what the blog is for?

 

BigBabyKenny.

 

P.S. I think the relevant song and lyrics is â??Welcome to the Working Weekâ?Âby Elvis Costello. :)

 

Welcome to the workinâ?? week.

Oh I know it donâ??t thrill you, I hope it donâ??t kill you.

 

Welcome to the workinâ?? week.

You gotta do it till youâ??re through it so you better get to it

 

I hear you sayinâ??, â??Hey, the cityâ??s alright,

when you only read about it in books.

Spend all your money gettinâ?? so convinced

that you never even bother to look.

 

Sometimes I wonder if weâ??re livinâ?? in the same land,

Why dâ??you wanna be my friend when I feel like a juggler

running out of hands?

 

Welcome to the workinâ?? week, oh, welcome to the working week.

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85. 85 Combover Oct 28th, 2008 at 12:51 pm

 

â??Where did all the fun go?â?Â

 

Surely height of irony. Ooh, my sides.

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86. 86 Bangkok Bad Boy Oct 28th, 2008 at 1:13 pm

 

@ssB: Sure, but isnâ??t there generally a large correlation between comment numbers and stats?

 

If BBK did a little more research, he could have a much more appreciative audience. Either he isnâ??t interested in other peopleâ??s opinions, or heâ??d deliberately trolling for comments. I havenâ??t figured out which.

 

And now we have a long-winded response addressing none of my points, and suggesting that anyone who disagrees with him must be poorly-paid and bitter. This is just plain offensive, and itâ??s the reason I had until last night given up on debating with him.

 

The â??enthusiasmâ? of the posters who point out why BBK is wrong stems from the fact that they have been doing so for almost 18 months, and he hasnâ??t paid a jot of attention.

 

Suggesting that the dissenters canâ??t afford to visit such venues as the Poseidon Modelâ??s Lounge is hilarious, especially since Iâ??ve reviewed it twice.

 

Suggesting that they canâ??t even afford to visit Starbucks is possibly the most stupid thing heâ??s ever written.

 

Either way, arguing with BBK is like wrestling a pig - you get covered in crap, and the pig enjoys it. I hope Iâ??ve helped to illustrated why, and will now retire from the discussion.

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87. 87 Pants Elk Oct 28th, 2008 at 1:15 pm

 

Where did all the fun go? Did you REALLY say that?

 

BBK, thereâ??s such a lot of nonsense in your comment itâ??s hard to know where (and if) to start. You make false assumptions based on your own deeply flawed categorisations, and then have the nerve to ask â??where did all the fun go?â?Â

 

If I have one over-riding crit of your work here is that you, like no-one else I know, have the ability to take the bang out of Bangkok. You make the place sound dull, a series of obstacles that can only be overcome by following your own advice. The rest - the pomposity, the Off the reservationâ? snobbism, the fatuous inaccuracy, the crippling lack of wit, the cringing use of smiley-faces and â??calls for peaceâ? and use of the word â??angryâ? for those who donâ??t like what you do - all that doesnâ??t matter a ratâ??s sphincter to me. Theyâ??re dislikeable qualities, but allow me to have a little fun in the comments section. What is unforgivable is your never-ending attempts to describe Bangkok in your own terms as if they were the only terms - of correct procedure, a kind of Royal Way weâ??d all profit by following.

 

Everyone makes their own Bangkok - Iâ??m just glad my Bangkok is absolutely NOTHING like the one you describe. And I donâ??t fit into any of the facile ex-pat categories you offer us in this comment, either. I donâ??t know anybody who does.

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88. 88 Werewolf Oct 28th, 2008 at 2:27 pm

 

ssB: I think the traffic on BBKs posts is a function of the way he polarizes the community. Those who like him, love him as a font of good information and fresh ideas. Those who donâ??t would probably echo the Pants Elk comment immediately above this one.

 

It seems silly for you to continually say that BBKâ??s posts have the highest traffic as a way of asking why he is so deeply criticized. His posts get the highest traffic BECAUSE he is so deeply criticized. The traffic is largely from the arguments that follow in the comments section.

 

Personally I love Kenny. Iâ??d rather go out for a night on the town with him in Bangkok than probably anyone else I know. But I side with the critics in terms of his blogs, and as usual find myself drawn to simply say â??yeah, what Pants Elk saidâ? in terms of expressing my feelings. PE somehow seems to always say exactly what I feel, but say it much better than I can.

 

I think Kenny has some interesting ideas. Iâ??ve had the good fortune to go out on the town with him many times. Heâ??s introduced me to two places that Iâ??d never been before, and I find his attitude towards Bangkok to be *just right* in person.

 

I think all of his joi de vivre, his interesting experiences, his fresh attitude towards Bangkok gets lost in translation when he writes. He chooses to write manuals. In the blog above, he describes what he has written as an â??essayâ? (around paragraph 20 when he says, â??which brings us to the subject of this essayâ?Â).

 

Kenny can write what he wants, how he wants â?? God knows I have never wanted anyone to tell me how to write my blogs â?? but as long as he is serving up â??Dummies Guidesâ? and â??How toâ? manuals, I will continue to find them irritating for the reasons extensively outlined by BBB and Pants Elk.

 

This is difficult for me because I really really like Kenny.

 

But itâ??s not a lot different, I guess, from the fact that I really really like pmmp and BBB but have deep rifts with them about politics.

 

Iâ??d encourage a few things in this discussion from my position as exalted master of everything:

 

Kenny - write whatever you want but PLEASE stop with the song lyrics. Iâ??m close to suicidal with them. Not knowing Penfold, I can see how he comes across as â??angryâ?? but if you get the image of a kid on a playground running around sticking his tongue out at everyone and cursing just for the joy of watching the adults frown I think youâ??ll have a better picture of the fun-loving imp that he is. In spite of his aggressive language, Penfold is more naughty leprechaun than evil troll.

 

PE, Penfold, BBB: Iâ??d suggest that you relax on the Kenny posts a bit. Yeah, leave a comment on his blogs, but reduce the vitriol a notch or two. Accept that Kennyâ??s a good guy calling them the way he sees them and that he is a valuable part of this on-line community. Having said your piece to protect the innocent readers, move on.

 

ssB: Telling us repeatedly that Kennyâ??s posts get the most traffic doesnâ??t make his ideas or presentation any more or less appealing. As a tactic to dissuade sharp comments itâ??s almost counter-productive I think. He gets high traffic because so many people react in such a viscerally negative way to him. The comments section that follows invariably reminds on of the chaos in the emergency room at the hospital following a train wreck. Morbid fascination rules the day and critics run rampant.

 

Now that I have dispensed so much valuable wisdom Iâ??ll go back to sleep for a while. It took me so long to write this silly comment that I imagine that 22 comments have gone up in the meantime.

 

I really should find something more important to do that worrying about the comments section of BBKâ??s blogs. Especially since this one is guaranteed to please no one.

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89. 89 Pants Elk Oct 28th, 2008 at 3:01 pm

 

I always find myself nodding in agreement with Werewolfâ??s comments, at least where he agrees with me. But thereâ??s no vitriol that I can see - just expressing disagreement and annoyance - perfectly justifiable feelings which BBKâ??s own comments only serve to amplify.

 

BBK - getting bothered about demented sex-gerbil Young Penfoldâ??s comments will only encourage the wretched little fuck. To write his own blog piece, I hope.

 

(Anyone see Michelle Obama on the Tonight Show? Itâ??s on YouTube somewhere. God, how I love that woman. What a class act.)

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90. 90 john the baptist Oct 28th, 2008 at 3:39 pm

 

Pants Elk states that BBK has â??the ability to take the bang out of Bangkokâ?? â??like no-one else I knowâ??. But surely that honour goes to Werewolf, who makes banging Thai girls sound as interesting as eating a cheese sandwich.

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91. 91 Werewolf Oct 28th, 2008 at 3:46 pm

 

Thanks JtB! I think thatâ??s the first honour my writing has ever been nominated for!

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92. 92 sideshowBOB Oct 28th, 2008 at 4:27 pm

 

all take a chill pill.

 

i point it out cause to me it means he causes discussions to happen. good or bad.

 

it is what it is.

 

deal.

 

its like email in your inbox with a subject line that tells you it is trash. delete it.

 

or do u spend all day bitching about it and email it around to other people and email the sender saying you dont want it.

 

:)

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93. 93 Combover Oct 28th, 2008 at 4:42 pm

 

So which is less exciting do you think? Eating a cheese sandwich or a rainy bank holiday in Wales with your mother-in-law? Iâ??d have to plump for the latter, as Iâ??ve had some spectacular cheese sandwiches in my time. Just goes to prove that sex with Thai girls canâ??t be all that bad.

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94. 94 john the baptist Oct 28th, 2008 at 4:53 pm

 

I really like cheese sarnies, especially with a slap of HP.

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95. 95 Pants Elk Oct 28th, 2008 at 5:36 pm

 

I took John the Baptistâ??s comment as a compliment to Werewolf, too. Only someone who is ignorant of the delights of the cheese sandwich could do otherwise. I remember (as well as I can) eating a cheese salad sandwich on a green hill in England, about 1971, and feeling the ecstasy of divine revelation in its combination of tart lactosity and succulent greenery. The fact that I was totally gone on acid may have enhanced the effect, but I still see a good cheese sarnie in terms of epiphany, and can think of no finer analogy for the writings of Mr Wolf.

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96. 96 MauiMark Oct 29th, 2008 at 12:58 am

 

Yâ??all back off BKK if you donâ??t youâ??ll have to put up with my sorry ass on youâ??re blog if you have a small dick quit cloggin up the bandwidth tellin us about it. Letâ??s focus gents What are the hotspots in Rayong????

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97. 97 BigBabyKenny Oct 29th, 2008 at 3:32 am

 

Bangkok Bad Boy,

 

When I first started coming to Bangkok I read what little there was on the internet at the time and, of course, I met some crusty old expats who lived in Thailand, were very frequent visitors, had a â??ton of experienceâ? and â??understood how things workedâ? in Thailand.

 

What I discovered over time is that 90% of them were full of shit.

 

If I listened to them I would still be in Nana Parking lot and the Biergarten trying to bargain the girls down to 800 THB LT, still spending every evening in the same 20 bars in Nana and Cowboy grumbling about poor customer service and bad attitudes, never would have made any attempt to learn Thai, and never moved off or even near the border of The Reservation.

 

If I listened to them I would probably have gotten bored and burned out on Thailand long ago and moved on to somewhere else.

But I didnâ??t take the pontificating of the crusty old expats as the Gospel.

 

I went out on my own and explored Bangkok.

 

And what I found is that there are tons of girls and a world of nightlife off The Reservation.

 

Enjoying them takes some money. You strike out on some nights. You waste time exploring dry holes.

 

But, frankly, I enjoy the adventure of it all. It is fun to go to new places you have never been before, discover they are full of cool girls, maybe strike out at first, but, eventually, figure out how it all works, and, finally, be able to work the system, play the game, and enjoy not only playing the game well but coming out winner in the end.

 

I never said this was for everyone.

 

If you want to stay on The Reservation, your decision, your life. Up to you.

 

I simply describe what is there.

 

If it looks like something you would enjoy. Go for it.

 

Anyone who reads the blog is free to use the information or ignore it.

 

There was a recent post by a guy who went to the St. Moritz. He got worked a little on the bill but enjoyed the St. Moritz G-Girls. He probably went there because of the recent G-Club posts. He might have gotten more worked if he didnâ??t read the blog. Next time he will know more, have a little experience under his belt, maybe check out some different G-Clubs, and, eventually, he will learn how it is done and get proficient at the G-Girl game. He probably would have figured it all out on his own but reading the blog steepened the learning curve.

 

Another poster came to Bangkok and discovered the Orchid. He never would have found out about ball massage unless he had read the blog.

 

There are probably numerous readers who get involved with Thai girls and get asked for or want to give them money. Hopefully, they will find some useful information in this post that will guide their thinking and make the process more fun, more enjoyable, and economic.

 

For me this is what the blog is all about.

 

It is not about discussing Thai politics, getting legal advice, reading a self glorifying half fictional account of some goofballs alleged sexual conquest, or a place some yahoo can get his daily jollies insulting people.

 

Donâ??t get me wrong, Thai politics, legal advice, accounts of a guys sexual conquests, and a good verbal joust can all be highly entertaining and informative. They are just not the core mission of the blog.

 

For me the blog is all about sharing information about how to get laid better and cheaper while in Bangkok.

 

A lot of what is posted might be full of shit and everybody is free to say it is full of shit but we are also all free to sift through it, make up our own minds, and take what we want.

 

The idea that there is this self appointed secret committee full of expats who have â??tons of experienceâ?Â, â??lived in Thailand a long timeâ?Â, and â??understands how things workâ? ,who are going to censor and shout down anyone who disagrees with them is frankly abhorrent and disgusting.

 

Respectfully,

 

BigBabyKenny

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98. 98 Pierre Oct 29th, 2008 at 3:44 am

 

BBK has his ideas and you guys have your ideas. Why should BBK â??learnâ? from you any more than you should learn from him? Why canâ??t people simply disagree with each others ideas while remaining polite? Some people seem to think BBK simply has to accept the â??correctionsâ?Â, apparently offered over 18 months, by â??experiencedâ? people who know how everything in BKK works. Thatâ??s just arrogant. To get upset at BBK for sticking to his ideas rather than accepting your â??correctionsâ? is arrogant.

 

BBKâ??s â??styleâ? is analytical and itâ??s intention is to analyze and inform rather than amuse. Why must every post exist solely to amuse? There is more info and anlysis offered in one BBK paragraph than in all the â??wittyâ? posts of Pants Elk and Young Penfold, who seem to feel the only possible purpose of an online blog about Thailand is to provide them with a platform for showcasing their feeble, mildly amusing wit. Mildly amusing is nice, but you might want to consider that content, substance, and analysis is infinitely more interesting to many than this obsession with offering up fairly obvious, repetetive, and increasingly dull humor about small penises and how the other guys canâ??t get girls. This English obsession with feeble humor to the exclusion of almost any other form of communication, this typically English behavior of confining oneself to breezy, pointless â??witâ? and avoiding any serious discussion in an effort to demonstrate oneâ??s effortless superiority and indifference to everything, becomes so tedious! THATâ??S boring, not BBK.

 

BBK is often mistaken, often wrong, his analyses are often misleading or flat out illogical or contradictory, or donâ??t fit the reality of THailand, but at least heâ??s TRYING to have a serious discussion, instead of treating us to the 100th joke about his small penis, a la the wonderful Pants Elk.

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99. 99 fender Oct 29th, 2008 at 4:06 am

 

PE- You can actually taste food on acid? I usually wind up forgetting I even have food in my mouth before the taste registers with me, in between fits of spitting out chromatic electricity.

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100. 100 Bangkok Bad Boy Oct 29th, 2008 at 9:05 am

 

@BBK: Then we have something in common. I first started my website, two and a half years ago, because the information out there on the internet at the time was sparse and misleading.

 

I had to figure most of it out myself. I wrote down what Iâ??d learned, and created the kind of website that I would have appreciated. Lots of other people seemed to appreciate it, too.

 

Over the past couple of years, on my website and then this one, the quality of information on Bangkokâ??s nightlife has improved by orders of magnitude. This is not down to me, but down to countless people motivated in the same way, happy to share what they have learned.

 

Today, the quality and accuracy of information currently available online on Bangkok nightlife is in my opinion the best itâ??s ever been.

 

With the exception of your posts. Iâ??m happy to believe that you mean well, but you frequently make huge mistakes. The post above, for example, consists of contradictions and gaps in logic that one could drive a truck through. This is fine, if the author is prepared to accept corrections and listen to people. You, for some reason, are not.

 

That, and that alone, is why your posts continue to irritate. It has nothing to do with the subject matter - getting â??off the reservationâ?Â, to use your terminology, is a commendable thing, and I encourage it. In fact, Iâ??ve been doing it and writing about it for far longer than you have.

 

The problem is that I, and others, strive to report accurate information. When we see reports that have little to no bearing on the truth, however diverse the subject matter, we say so.

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101. 101 Combover Oct 29th, 2008 at 9:29 am

 

Iâ??d be interested to see whether, if Kenny were to start his own blog, focusing on the content he shares with us here, and in a similar tone, whether it would get as many hits as BBBâ??s of yore. I doubt it somehow, but letâ??s try it.

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102. 102 sideshowBOB Oct 29th, 2008 at 9:33 am

 

c - silly stuff. y would he? he has a vast audience here and a good home. I donâ??t think bbk has a chip on his shoulder or needs to prove himself with numbers. He seems pretty confident as it is.

 

I am quite happy he stays here and hope that he does.

 

running a blog day to day is hard work and I think some of the contributors like the home we provide versus starting up on their own.

 

I like having the contributors rather than doing this all on my own.

 

so no - letâ??s not try it and say we did.

 

thanks!

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103. 103 Combover Oct 29th, 2008 at 9:38 am

 

Double Dipâ?¦

 

@Pierre: Itâ??s known as â??the importance of not being earnestâ? and is hardwired into the English psyche. Not point banging on about â??feeble humourâ? and â??breezy pointless witâ? as youâ??ll just be condemned further as a humourless narcisstic prig or somesuch. We canâ??t help it.

 

That said, itâ??s a fair point, because some ARE better at it than others. I personally think that YP, Pants, BBB et al provide great insight alongside their hilarious knob gags.

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104. 104 Combover Oct 29th, 2008 at 9:43 am

 

@SSB: my initial version of that post was quite lengthy and gave a number of reasons why, but in a (small) nutshell I donâ??t think this kind of polarisation is great for the blog. Other BKK blogs and messageboards have nosedived in quality and driven silent or occasional contributors away over time as bickering and comments get out of hand.

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105. 105 Pierre Oct 29th, 2008 at 10:05 am

 

@combover - It really is hardwired into the English psyche, itâ??s unreal. Iâ??ve never met an English person who doesnâ??t socialize in that style, or doesnâ??t try to, with varying degrees of success. Itâ??s an abiding feature of English emotional and intellectual life. I think it has its roots in the English class system and the necessity of demonstrating your social superiority. Itâ??s a form of subtle social warfare. In the US, this kind of social style is common during oneâ??s adolescent years as a kind of jockeying for social position, but people generally grow out of it as the jungle of the teenage years give away to a less harsh social environment.

 

That being said, although I criticized it above, in the hands of able practitioners - and I concede that both PE and YP are actually virtuoso performers in this vein - it is incredibly amusing and one of the chief glories of English civilization. My only complaint is that however glorious, itâ??s really too much when it is the ONLY thing one does when one talks to others and it crowds out all attempts at serious analysis and conversation.

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106. 106 sideshowBOB Oct 29th, 2008 at 1:29 pm

 

co - i hear u but I dont see bbk posts or comments threads as polarization of the blog. I can point to may other comments that are.

 

People just dont like his stuff. some do.

 

he always responds to his comments and posts and he never attacks. so I see no downside to having bbk on board.

 

I am more sensitive than most over what could ruin the blog. being a stats whore. we already blew past last monthâ??s stats yesterday. we have more contributors than ever and comments are growing by a healthy clip.

 

seems we are doing okay but believe me I watch it all the time.

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107. 107 MauiMark Oct 29th, 2008 at 5:16 pm

 

Gents once again I am plumbing the vast pool of expertise out there. Where are hidden gems in Rayong? I am new to youâ??re blog and glad to have discovered it. May I point out as a newcomer though it seems the ship is adrift. I work 3 months staight to earn a week off and spend every one in Thailand so every second counts. That is why the importance of staying focused and supplying a steady stream of usable information is so critical. I will supply a good sitrep upon my return from Rayong. Hoo Yaaa

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108. 108 still looking Oct 31st, 2008 at 3:25 pm

 

I must say that i am really happy with the Thail girl I met at Siam paragon, while shopping. I did try Nana and Soi Cowboy when I first arrived but got ripped off. My gal looks after me (she pays the rent, the rest of the bills) and I just get her prez or two during the month. By the way she earns 3ce as much as I do. :-)

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109. 109 sideshowBOB Oct 31st, 2008 at 4:37 pm

 

sl - so what does she do that she makes 3 times what you do?

 

interesting stuff indeedâ?¦

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110. 110 BigBabyKenny Nov 1st, 2008 at 12:15 am

 

Still Looking,

 

Sounds like you are the on THE LUXURY VACATION PACKAGE.

 

Congratulations.

 

We want more details.

 

BigBabyKenny

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111. 111 Pants Elk Nov 1st, 2008 at 8:57 am

 

Canâ??t remember who said this above - â??BBK has an analytical styleâ?Â. Having an analytical style does not mean your analysis is sound. It just means you sound analytical. This alone is enough for some. Iâ??m still waiting for even one comment saying something to the effect that â??BBKâ??s advice enabled me to get laid (better/more frequently) in Bangkok - and hereâ??s how â?¦â? I suspect most of his fans donâ??t live in Thailand and think by reading his pieces they are getting insider information that will help them when they step off the plane. Nobody I know who lives in Bangkok is pouncing on his latest piece for help, thatâ??s for sure. As long as you continue to set yourself up as an authority, BBK, youâ??ll get eggs thrown at you. These â??eggsâ? are responsible for a lot, maybe most, of your traffic on this site.

 

@fender - are you kidding? You donâ??t just taste the sandwich, you hear it, feel it, smell it, watch it - you experience its ineffable sandwichness in its indivisible and miraculous totality. The sandwich is you, you are the sandwich â?¦ repeat after me â?¦

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112. 112 Pierre Nov 1st, 2008 at 10:17 am

 

â??â?¦.sets himself up as an authority.â? The guy is allowed to have an opinion, isnâ??t he? Should he preface every remark with â??this is just my opinionâ?� Thatâ??s understood, and there is something wrong with anyone who canâ??t deal with someone offering his opinion without apologizing for it every second.

 

I just donâ??t understand people who get antagonized by others who offer their opinions without apology. It smacks of envy or wanting to take the guy down a peg. I disagree with much of what BBK has to say, but itâ??s interesting, and heâ??s trying to share information as well as hear what others have to say. Sounds like what this blog should be about, but apparently isnâ??t.

 

Oh well, back to the size of Pants Elk penisâ?¦..

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113. 113 BigBabyKenny Nov 1st, 2008 at 3:40 pm

 

Pantâ??s Elk,

 

You live in Thailand.

 

Has it ever occurred to you that the people who visit Thailand are different in certain respects than the people who live here?

 

Maybe they have different financial constraints, different educational backgrounds, and different professional accomplishments than the typical expat who has the time to post 5 comments to every post made on every Thailand blog?

 

Maybe those differences mean they have different objectives, different interests, and a different budget constraint than the typical expat posting so prolifically in the comments to every post.

 

How many times have you had to listen to or read another self proclaimed expat Master of the Universe, who has â??lived in Thailandâ?Â, has â??tons of experienceâ?Â, and â??understands how things workâ? and the only thing of interest that they have to relate is another boring repetitive half true story about another Nana Parking Lot, Biergarten, or GoGo girl â??adventureâ? or the most interesting knowledge they have to pass on is how to get 100 THB off your Nana Parking lot ST?

 

Has it ever occurred to you that the people who donâ??t agree with you are not just idiots?

 

That there might be more to their interest in posts that you find boring?

 

Maybe there is reason they enjoy reading something different and written in a different style?

 

Maybe they might like to hear about someplace besides the same 500m stretch of Sukhumvit and the same 20 bars?

 

Maybe they might be interested in something besides how to bang girls in the cheapest lowest cost way and might be interested banging girls besides the ones who will bang someone for the lowest possible price?

 

Maybe the people who enjoy reading my posts are tired of hearing another blowhard expat relating another self glorifying story about his life?

 

Maybe they arenâ??t interested in how to Cheap Charlie some GoGo girl out of 100 THB of their ST Fee?

 

Think about it and you might figure out why something you have no interest in everyone else is very interested in.

 

It doesnâ??t take a genius.

 

BigBabyKenny

 

P.S. thanks for the support Pierre. I know your opinion is shared by most of the readers of the blog and it is something the haterâ??s club is having a hard time dealing with.

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114. 114 Bangkok Bad Boy Nov 1st, 2008 at 4:14 pm

 

@BBK: Nice re-framing. I donâ??t recall anyone having ever complained about you covering areas outside the Sukhumvit ghetto. Particularly on a post that doesnâ??t really even relate to geography.

 

In fact, itâ??s indirectly down to yourself that I have a pleasant evening at Memory Pub in Srinakarin recently. I donâ??t believe youâ??ve ever written about it, but you introduced the friend I was out with to it. Exploring is good, and to be encouraged.

 

On your â??P.S.â? though, a quick tally counts 9 positive comments out of 113 (so far). Hardly â??most of the readers of the blogâ?Â.

 

Does it bother you that approximately 90% of your commenting audience is either unappreciateive or simply ambivalent to your writing? Are you interested in reaching out to more people? Or would you rather just dismiss anyone who doesnâ??t respond sycophantically with suggestions that they must be impoverished, uneducated boors?

 

Who hates you? Why keep using that word, given the complete lack of evidence? I donâ??t hate you, and Iâ??ll happily buy you a drink next time youâ??re in the Mango. I do, however, find you far more amenable in person than in writing. Or more to the point, reading.

 

BB â??Failing to disengageâ? B.

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115. 115 BigBabyKenny Nov 1st, 2008 at 4:45 pm

 

Bangkok Bad Boy,

 

Is it that hard to accept that my posts are â??indirectlyâ? responsible for many readers expanding their envelope when in Thailand?

 

Or that my posts have stimulated many readerâ??s thoughts about doing things better within the envelope they have always stayed within?

 

You blogged awhile ago about an unsatisfactory visit to The Sky G-Club.

 

Didnâ??t the G-Club posts stimulate your thoughts about how to do things better the next time you visit The Sky?

 

Or make you think that maybe you missed something on your last visit?

 

It wonâ??t be long until some Thai girl asks you to lend her money.

 

Wonâ??t this post and the ideas in it at enter your consciousness and stimulate your creativity when you consider your decision?

 

If you are intellectually honest ��.

 

BigBabyKenny

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116. 116 BigBabyKenny Nov 1st, 2008 at 4:51 pm

 

Bangkok Bad Boy,

 

I forgot to add when you were at The Memory and you scoped the tables packed with normal Thai girls many of whom are damned cute.

 

Didnâ??t implementing some of the ideas in the Starbucks post occur to you?

 

Again, if you are intellectually honest â?¦.

 

BigBabyKenny

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117. 117 Bangkok Bad Boy Nov 1st, 2008 at 4:58 pm

 

@BBK: I must admit, Iâ??m lost. Where have you ever been attacked for exploring wider areas? This was not, and to the best of my knowledge has never been, the argument.

 

I have been an (infrequent) visitor to G-Clubs for a long, long time. ssB has been writing about them for even longer. You can claim to be the G-Club Guru if it pleases you, but you are a latecomer to the party.

 

More to the point, the above post has nothing to do with them, nor do G-Clubs have any relevance to my only real criticism of your output, which is that it is all too often inaccurate and/or bad advice, and that you defend it by smearing anyone who disagrees as hateful, underpaid, uneducated or all three.

 

I donâ??t particularly appreciate your writing style, but thatâ??s a simple matter of taste - Iâ??m sure there are plenty of readers who donâ??t appreciate mine.

 

The problem I had last time I visited the Sky Club, to address that point, was that we arrived too late in the evening. Simple as that. On my next visit, I arrived earlier. I did not need to wade through any of your essays in order to make this decision.

 

Thai girls ask me for money on an all-too-frequent basis, and of course I ensure that I get something in return, since itâ??s statistically highly unlikely that Iâ??ll ever see the money again.

 

If the crux of the above post is â??Donâ??t give a hooker money without making sure she has sex with you in returnâ?Â, then I agree entirely. I think you could have made the point a little more succintly though!

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118. 118 Bangkok Bad Boy Nov 1st, 2008 at 5:02 pm

 

Double dip: The point of â??the Starbucks postâ? was, I believe, dress nicely and speak politely when trying to chat up girls.

 

I have been doing this for a number of years, so no - your post had zero effect on my behaviour.

 

I will admit that I was wearing Quality Fabrics though.

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119. 119 Pants Elk Nov 1st, 2008 at 6:14 pm

 

BBK, you write, â??Has it ever occurred to you that the people who visit Thailand are different in certain respects than the people who live here?â?Â

This is typical of your style and content. The answer, surprisingly to you, is yes it has. Thatâ??s the polite way of putting it. In this and your subsequent questions you assume the mantle of authority over and over again, as if you were â??making me think outside the boxâ? or some such arrogant claptrap.

 

You make massively wrong assumptions about me (and everybody else) that form the basis of every piece you write. Some of these assumptions are laughable, others are insulting.

 

Oooh, look at this (for instance): â??Think about it and you might figure out why something you have no interest in everyone else is very interested in.â? First, the appalling arrogance of that â??think about itâ?Â, as if, on reflection, and with a little hard work and opening up on my part, Iâ??d be able to think like you. Iâ??d insert a very strong epithet here, and it would be from the heart.

 

Then we have (once weâ??ve wrestled with your syntax) â??something you have no interest in everyone else is very interested in.â? Okay, you got me there. What would this something be? Having sex with Thai girls? Canâ??t be that. Count me in. What, then? Having sex with Thai girls like you have sex with Thai girls? Well, Iâ??ve got to confess I do find that less interesting. Maybe if you described it as an act between human beings, rather than something like filling in your tax return, Iâ??d be more interested. But is this something â??everyone else is interested inâ?� Really? You really think â??everyone elseâ? is interested in your sexual methodology? Except for a hate-filled minority who are too poor and stupid to benefit from your biblical screeds? Arrogance barely begins to cover this.

 

This is the last time Iâ??m responding to your writing. But please, do have the last word(s). Perhaps a few more song lyrics may make the scales fall from my eyes. Or a point-by-point annotated rebuttal of claims I never made. Youâ??re as adroit as that as you are in not replying to direct questions. Or a nice feelgood smiley face. My last words to you are a repetition of that heartfelt epithet I stopped myself writing, knowing it would be moderated out. But I do mean it.

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120. 120 doctorbond Nov 1st, 2008 at 11:37 pm

 

Just a thought BBKâ?¦. if you wrote your blogs and responses just in your spare time you would neither sleep nor eat. I assume then that some poor employer is footing the bill. Any vacancies?

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121. 121 Daywalker Nov 2nd, 2008 at 12:55 am

 

Docâ?¦ Doesnâ??t he work for you? As you are hardly ever at work, youâ??d notice him on the net all day?

 

:mrgreen:

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122. 122 BigBabyKenny Nov 2nd, 2008 at 2:52 am

 

Bangkok Bad Boy,

 

It may seem simple to you but it is not so simple to others.

 

When I first started coming to Thailand it wasnâ??t long before girls asked me for money and I am not talking about GoGo girls who do it for a living. I mean normal girls or ones who are on the fringes of The Reservation.

 

Like most people, I started out doing it badly.

 

Like most people, my experience in The World provided little guidance and the internet was and still is largely silent on this questionâ??unless you count the legions of Hometown Heroes ranting hysterically that anyone who does it is an idiot.

 

Surprisingly, the self professed expat Masters of Universe I knew didnâ??t have much useful advice either.

 

The honest ones confessed to giving Thai girls money occasionally but none of them were happy with the experience. Most felt they had gotten the short end of the deal. None of them felt they had been sharp negotiators who had extracted maximum value. Many times they just gave/lent money and gotten nothing back in return.

 

For many, it is not an issue because they live Close to the Line and donâ??t have the disposable income to indulge in it.

 

Like most people, I had to feel my way and through trial and error figure out how to do it in a way that is fun, enjoyable, and where I donâ??t throw away my money.

 

I had a little head start because of my experience with Chip Hoâ??s in the poker world, but only a little bit of that knowledge and experience carried over to Thailand.

 

So I wrote my pioneering ground breaking seminal essay about How To Give Thai Girls Money. :)

 

It might have been a long time ago, but can you remember back when barfining a GoGo girl was difficult because it was new, you didnâ??t understand how the system worked, or because you were just uncomfortable with the idea of P4P?

 

It is the same situation for most people who are asked for money by normal Thai girls. The World just doesnâ??t prepare you for it.

 

So it doesnâ??t surprise me that an essay on the subject of How to Give Thai Girls Money would be welcome and well read by Thailand newbies.

 

I thought a discussion of the subject would be welcome by all the jaded expats who have given money and been unsatisfied in the past.

 

If the haterâ??s crew would shut up, maybe we can still have this discussion and all learn somethingâ??or at least be entertained along the way.

 

BigBabyKenny

 

P.S. I think you need to go back and read the essay again. What I was saying is more subtle, more sophisticated, more widely applicable and more powerful than the simple â??Donâ??t give a hooker money without making sure she has sex with you in return.â? It is about giving money to normal girls and it is about way more than just getting laid.

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123. 123 BigBabyKenny Nov 2nd, 2008 at 3:17 am

 

Pantâ??s Elk,

 

â??This is the last time Iâ??m responding to your writing.â?Â

 

As the self proclaimed spokesperson for 99% of the readers of the blog, thanks for the early Christmas present.

 

:):):)

 

BigBabyKenny

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124. 124 Bangkok Bad Boy Nov 2nd, 2008 at 3:41 am

 

@BBK: 9 out of 123 responses is in fact 7%, not 99%.

 

I will destroy your fatuous defenses more thoroughly on the morrow, when I am sober.

 

Nighty night.

 

PS. Apoâ??stropheâ??s can be dangerouâ??s in the wrong handâ??s.

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125. 125 BigBabyKenny Nov 2nd, 2008 at 4:40 am

 

Bangkok Bad Boy,

 

The world wants to knowâ?¦.

 

How did you explain to the 6 ft. tall, white skinned, full breasted, long and lean Bangkok born supermodel whom you met and extracted from a Thai G-Club after paying the minimum, that you are going to give multiple orgasms to using your Arsenal just like the Japanese dudes do, that in the morning you are going to send her home with no money because you regularly patronize her and her G-Club, and that when she does eventually ask you for some money or a G-gift that you are going to negotiate like an expert and she will have to participate in your whacked out sexual fantasy to get paid that checking the blog and dashing off a pithy response was more important than jumping immediately into bed with her?

 

Or that the presence of said supermodel is not partially due to thoughts stimulated by the blog?

 

The world awaits ��

 

BigBabyKenny

 

P.S. this is meant to be humorous. That I have to state when something is supposed to be humorous is humorous in and of itself but ca la vie.

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126. 126 Bangkok Bad Boy Nov 2nd, 2008 at 3:34 pm

 

@BBK: She was busy handcuffing herself to the bed, and is not allowed an opinion in any case, since women exist only for the purposes of categorisation, dehumanisation, and squeezing our testicles. But hey, â??ca la vieâ?Â, right?

 

Back to the topic in hand, could you please ignore, re-frame and otherwise fail to respond to the following brief critique of the piece in question:

 

You introduce the reader to the concept of the â??Luxury Vacation Packageâ?Â, in which a gentleman gives a Thai girl free money in exchange for nothing much at all. In doing so, you acknowledge that these men exist, and that a Thai girl, if she can find one, can receive free money from them.

 

You then go on to suggest that if the reader demands a variety of demeaning services from a Thai girl when she asks for money, there is â??NO BBDâ?Â, ergo, the Luxury Vacation Package you just informed us about does not actually exist.

 

Could you please clarify this apparent flailing contradiction?

 

Love,

 

BBB

 

PS. Also, and far more importantly, â??Man In The Mirrorâ? was written by Glen Ballard and Siedah Garrett, and not Michael Jackson. A common mistake.

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127. 127 BigBabyKenny Nov 2nd, 2008 at 4:36 pm

 

The Dummies Guide to Finding a Sense of Humor and Not Taking Yourself Too Seriously for Bangkok Bad Boy by BigBabyKenny

 

DONâ??T LOOk IN THE MIRROR.

 

:)

 

BigBabyKenny

 

P.S. No this isnâ??t meant to be humorous.

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128. 128 Daywalker Nov 2nd, 2008 at 5:20 pm

 

Iâ??m glad BigBabyKenny types his name at the bottom of all him comments.

 

Even though his name is in BOLD at the top of each comment and the â??view all comments by bbkâ?? is underneath all comments, I for one donâ??t get sick of seeing his name over and over and overâ?¦â?¦..

 

:lol:

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129. 129 doctorbond Nov 2nd, 2008 at 5:38 pm

 

@ Daywalker - yes my magnificent scheme of doing sweet FA while others toiled to enrich me was working well until the Gordon Gekkoâ??s of this world screwed it up for me - now I find Iâ??m having to do almost 4 hours work a day to rescue my lifestyle - itâ??s no fun at all. Actually, now you mention it, there is this one guy who regularly seems to be peering over his spreadsheets at the secretaries bending over at the watercooler (I place the cups at floor level) so that could be BBK - oh hang on, no, my mistake - itâ??s me

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130. 130 Mr Right Nov 2nd, 2008 at 6:49 pm

 

BBK, dude get a girlfriend please you need one.

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131. 131 MauiMark Nov 4th, 2008 at 8:13 pm

 

Still no insights about Rayong. Thatâ??s OK watching you gents slug it out will keep me entertained until I get there.

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132. 132 Werewolf Nov 5th, 2008 at 12:56 am

 

Still no insights about Rayong.

 

Maybe that in itself is an insight?! Perhaps thereâ??s nothing worth commenting on.

 

I knew a girl from Rayong once. She was pretty hot too. She had a French boyfriendâ?¦ whatâ??s up with that??

 

(I wonder if he had her on the â??PERFORMANCEâ? package???)

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133. 133 BigBabyKenny Nov 5th, 2008 at 1:43 am

 

Werewolf,

 

Maybe I should have kept quiet about the PERFORMANCE PACKAGE.

 

Sort of like putting a loaded gun in the hands of children.

 

Three months from now legions of Thailand Newbies with freshly printed out and read copies of The Dummies Guide To Giving Thai Girls Money, Part 1 and The Dummies Guides to Banging G-Club Girls in their backpacks will be making Hostess Nine rich buying Sky Club memberships and telling the Sky G-Girls that they can take care of this monthâ??s rent but the G-Girls have to show up every Tuesday and Thursday, put on a rubber French Maidâ??s outfit and 7 inch stilettos, clean the bathroom, cook dinner, and administer an expert ball massageâ?¦â?¦. and getting them to enthusiastically agree to it.

 

BigBabyKenny

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134. 134 Werewolf Nov 5th, 2008 at 9:34 am

 

Well, hereâ??s a thought for you Kennyâ?¦

 

MauiMark is obviously itching for some great firsthand information on Rayong.

 

Rayong is definitely â??off the reservationâ?Â.

 

I smell a field trip and another â??Dummies Guideâ? in the wind.

 

(So as not to provoke any negative â?? not vitriolic â?? response from Pants Elk a.k.a. â??CUNTâ? I have avoided the gratuitous use of any â??smiley facesâ?? in this message. I note the similar us of restraint â?? not the handcuff variety â?? on the part of BBK in his previous message.)

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135. 135 BigBabyKenny Nov 7th, 2008 at 4:10 am

 

Werewolf,

 

Some people like the smiley faces. Some donâ??t.

Some people like the song lyrics. Some donâ??t.

Some people like the poker references. Some donâ??t.

Some people like long posts. Some donâ??t.

Some people like stories. Some donâ??t.

Some people like to read about going off The Reservation. Some donâ??t.

Some people like simple declarative sentences. Some donâ??t.

Some people like it when you respond to their comments. Some donâ??t.

Some people like to dish out a lot of shit but when they get it dished right back at them they choke on it.

 

I lost track of who likes what a long time ago.

 

If there are any field trips in the future you have a standing invitation.

 

I found a GoGo bar across the Chao Praya river where the barfine is 200THB, the girls only want 500THB ST, and I have never seen a farang there.

 

The girls do their makeup from a cart on the street and they all looked young and fresh ala Sic Video/Suthisan.

 

I put the coordinates in my Handheld Navigation so I could find the place again.

 

We can check it out on the next â??field trip.â?Â

 

You are the only expat I know who likes going off The Reservation looking for new fun and adventure.

 

:)

 

BigBabyKenny

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136. 136 Young Penfold Nov 7th, 2008 at 5:24 am

 

â??You are the only expat I know who likes going off The Reservation looking for new fun and adventureâ?Â

 

Im guessing thats because you only have 1 friend in Bangkok?

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137. 137 Combover Nov 7th, 2008 at 9:30 am

 

Never mind smilies, I think we need a â??The Screamâ? emoticon.

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138. 138 Daywalker Nov 8th, 2008 at 3:36 am

 

Comboverâ?¦. if only :evil:

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139. 139 Daywalker Nov 8th, 2008 at 3:46 am

 

YPâ?¦ any chance you could sum up the post and comments for meâ?¦ in a way only you know how.

 

I got bored and decided it was more fun to stab myself in the leg with a fork.

 

Iâ??d like to know if dishing out a shit load of cash to the crack whores off the street will give me good Karma points. I sure as hell could do with some.

 

:twisted:

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140. 140 BigBabyKenny Nov 8th, 2008 at 6:24 am

 

Young Penfold, Combover, and Daywalker,

 

Donâ??t you ever get tired of being haters?

 

Does it ever occur to you that it got old a long time ago and that you are sitting in a room alone with each other and nobody pays attention or cares anymore?

 

I suggest you meditate on the words from the great John Lennon and his song Imagine.

 

BigBabyKenny your spiritual advisor.

 

â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??-

 

Imagine thereâ??s no countries

It isnâ??t hard to do

Nothing to kill or die for

And no religion too

Imagine all the people

Living life in peaceâ?¦

 

You may say Iâ??m a dreamer

But Iâ??m not the only one

I hope someday youâ??ll join us

And the world will be as one

 

Imagine no possessions

I wonder if you can

No need for greed or hunger

A brotherhood of man

Imagine all the people

Sharing all the worldâ?¦

 

You may say Iâ??m a dreamer

But Iâ??m not the only one

I hope someday youâ??ll join us

And the world will live as one

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141. 141 Werewolf Nov 8th, 2008 at 9:39 am

 

I, personally, have been meditating on the words of the incomparable Jimmy Buffet, who seems to know me better than I know myself:

 

I really do appreciate

the fact youâ??re sittinâ?? here.

Your voice sounds so wonderful

but your face donâ??t look too clear.

 

So barmaid, bring a pitcher;

another round of brew.

Darlinâ?? why donâ??t we get drunk

and screw?!

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142. 142 Daywalker Nov 8th, 2008 at 12:37 pm

 

â??Haterâ? Moi?

 

But I love everyone! :)

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143. 143 BigBabyKenny Nov 8th, 2008 at 4:09 pm

 

Daywalker,

 

I am not sure what else to call a guy whose every comment dishes out a full serving of condescension, personal insults,put downs, jealousy, and envy.

 

Like I said to before.

 

Donâ??t you ever get tired of being a hater?

 

Does it ever occur to you that it got old a long time ago and that you haters are sitting in a room alone with each other and nobody else pays attention or cares anymore?

 

Let me play Ganhdi to your Hitler.

 

This song is from me to all the hatersâ??Daywalker, Young Penfold, and the rest of the haters gang.

 

Forever Young sung by Bob Dylan, The Pretenders, Joan Baez, etc.

 

Live Long and Prosper,

 

BigBabyKenny

 

P.S, Werewolfâ??way to get into the spirit of things. :)

 

â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??

May God bless and keep you always,

May your wishes all come true,

May you always do for others

And let others do for you.

May you build a ladder to the stars

And climb on every rung,

May you stay forever young,

Forever young, forever young,

May you stay forever young.

 

May you grow up to be righteous,

May you grow up to be true,

May you always know the truth

And see the lights surrounding you.

May you always be courageous,

Stand upright and be strong,

May you stay forever young,

Forever young, forever young,

May you stay forever young.

 

May your hands always be busy,

May your feet always be swift,

May you have a strong foundation

When the winds of changes shift.

May your heart always be joyful,

May your song always be sung,

May you stay forever young,

Forever young, forever young,

May you stay forever young.

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144. 144 doctorbond Nov 8th, 2008 at 4:25 pm

 

@ Daywalker - letâ??s invade Poland!

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145. 145 Daywalker Nov 8th, 2008 at 5:12 pm

 

Large Child Kennethâ?¦.

 

A tad sensitive arenâ??t we. Like I said, I donâ??t â??hateâ?? anyone here?! Wellâ?¦ ChelseaBlue needs a slap, but thats purely sexual.

 

Your posts are informative, well written and come across with a certain authority that tells me that you know what you are talking about. Good. Well done.

 

However, personally, I find them boring. No biggie.

 

You have the right to express your view. People that know me, know that I do not intend any malice or hate. Iâ??m sure others read my comments knowing that it stems from British HUMOUR.

 

Humour being something that your posts sadly lack. But like I said, you can harp on about what you like.

 

As for the lyricsâ?¦ pleeeeeaze. You can cut n paste.. we get it.

 

You take things far too personally. ;)

 

Oh, and as for your comment on the â??jealousy and envyâ??â?¦ Are you sure you want to play that tune?

 

To show you that I bear no â??hateâ?? towards you, there is a bottle of beer waiting for you at the Mango.. -charged to the DW bin.

 

Now then�. These Polish fuckers��

 

:twisted:

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146. 146 Young Penfold Nov 8th, 2008 at 5:21 pm

 

Wow Kenneth, you just go from strength to strength

 

Me a hater? Unlikely. I just disagree with the immense amount ill-informed tripe you spill and the â??high n mightyâ?? tone you use. So do most people who read your stuff. Dont believe me? Check the comments section. And I know for a fact, most of them LIVE in BKK or have spent considerable time hereâ?¦â?¦â?¦â?¦. Funny that - dont you think?

 

But what do the majority of us know eh? Weâ??re just un-educated peasants(even if we have money) according to you. Next you might suggest that we were abused as children?

 

Take it from me Kenneth, in the 18months or so Iâ??ve lived in BKK, Ive â??bangedâ?? and hung out with more â??normal girlsâ?? then youâ??ve dropped tedious poker references, and your assumptions and scrawlings about them are so far off the mark its laughable and sometimes offensive. So the envy and jealousy you speak of doesnt really stick here, but nice try anyway.

 

You also seem to have a fetish for bragging about getting off the *yawn* Reservation. Congrats. Your hard. What do you want? A medal?

 

If you dont like people disgareeing with your posts, perhaps you should take them, along with your song lyrics, turn them sideways, and stuff them up your â??Reservationâ??

 

Young Penfold

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147. 147 Daywalker Nov 8th, 2008 at 7:58 pm

 

Penfoldâ?¦. 2 bottles of beer for you ;)

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148. 148 doctorbond Nov 9th, 2008 at 1:53 am

 

Hey Adolfâ?¦ whereâ??s my feckin beer?

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149. 149 BigBabyKenny Nov 9th, 2008 at 3:34 am

 

Young Penfold and to Whom Else It Might Concern,

 

Itâ??s getting tiresome writing the same thing over and over again but Iâ??ll give you some respect and go at it again.

 

There are two ways of expressing a difference of opinion. You can write I disagree because â?¦.. or you can write You are a FUCKING CUNT WHORE WHO HAS SHIT FOR BRAINS.

 

Go back and read through your comments. Iâ??ll let you decide which category your past comments fit into.

 

You can also write I disagree because â?¦ or you can write I have lived in Thailand for 50 years and everybody who hasnâ??t should kiss my ass twice, treat what I write as The Gospel, and bow down to my tons of experience.

 

They couldnâ??t figure out The World and were a failure there but because they moved to Thailand and because they are eking out a subsistence wage in Bangkok they proclaim themselves Masters of the Universe who have Bangkok figured out and we should be grateful and kiss their ass that they magnanimously pass down some of their â??secrets of successâ?Â.

 

Then they go bonkers and try to shout down anyone who expresses a different opinion and suggests there is a different way of looking at things.

 

And go crazy bonkers when their shout down doesnâ??t work.

 

Go back and read through the comments of the haters club. Iâ??ll let you decide if this description fits, whether this is what they are peddling, and whether it fits the definition of arrogant.

 

â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??â??

Daywalker,

 

What I have said from day one is that there are lots of ways to have fun in Thailand.

 

We all choose and indulge in the ones that suit our own tastes, preferences, and budgets.

 

Welcome to wonderful Thailand.

 

There is no reason to run around shitting on everyone elseâ??s idea of fun.

 

Letâ??s ditch the attitudes, the insults, the swearing, and the hate.

 

They donâ??t serve any function.

 

There is no money being made here so whatâ??s the point of all the vitriol?

 

Whatâ??s so funny about peace love and understanding?

 

BigBabyKenny

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150. 150 Daywalker Nov 9th, 2008 at 5:21 am

 

Ah fuck itâ?¦ I tried to show understanding.

 

You call me â??condescendingâ?? yet most of your posts are prefixed with â??The Dummies Guideâ?¦â?�!??!?!?!

 

And please, tell my why it is you put your name at the bottom of each comment?

 

Just because someone doesnâ??t like your postings, doesnâ??t make them a hater. I enjoy most peoples post on here. Apart from ssBâ??s political stuff. But I donâ??t hate him for it.

 

We are all different (like my Thai gf). As demonstrated in your posts and comments, you take things too seriously. You need to chill out and relax.

 

Much peace, love and understanding.

 

- Ignore YP. Heâ??s a cunt.

 

:mrgreen:

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151. 151 Mr Right Nov 9th, 2008 at 6:38 am

 

Can we get a Dummies guide to dealing with jealous ex girlfriends(using the term loosely) who seem completely unaware of the fact that they are employed as prostitutes?Tackle that BBK and you will earn my respect.

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152. 152 BigBabyKenny Nov 11th, 2008 at 3:01 am

 

Mr Right,

 

Read the post.

 

The answer is called avoiding THE LUXURY VACATION PACKAGE and keeping your girlfriend on THE PERFORMANCE PACKAGE.

 

BigBabyKenny

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153. 153 fender Nov 11th, 2008 at 3:05 pm

 

I think itâ??s awesome (or maybe pathetic?) that I can drop off the radar and not check the board for 2 weeks, log back in, and the same discussion is still taking place! Itâ??s like sitting back into a big, comfy la-z-boy.

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154. 154 BigBabyKenny Nov 12th, 2008 at 1:57 pm

 

Fender,

 

I think obstinate is the proper adjective.

 

BigBabyKenny

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155. 155 Indu WangZi Nov 12th, 2008 at 4:45 pm

 

Elvis Costello and Bruce Springsteenâ?¦

 

I must have died and gone to heavenâ?¦

 

But, a better omage to Declan would have been â??Lipstick Vogueâ? rather than Peace, Love and Understanding. But, it did make your point.

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156. 156 BigBabyKenny Nov 12th, 2008 at 11:56 pm

 

InduWangZi,

 

Read the comments.

 

The song lyrics either went over the heads or under the radar of the people for whom they were intendedâ??depending on your point of view.

 

They did seem to be addictive. Initially Werewolf claimed they irritated him, but, eventually, he got into the spirit of things.

 

:)

 

BigBabyKenny

 

P.S. same goes for the smiley faces.

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157. 157 Barko Nov 16th, 2008 at 1:07 am

 

Crap, all of you sound so fucking gay itâ??s beyond help. It takes 2 minutes to read all of BBKâ??s stuff, itâ??s perfectly OK, nothing wrong. Then, you have to go and stick a fucking needle in it, tear the wings off and kill it. Whining wartwally pud pullers = Gay. Hello?

 

Go get a colonoscopy, see if you get a hardon, and get over it.

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158. 158 Datou Nov 18th, 2008 at 9:02 pm

 

It was put to me in the simplest terms by an old friend- â??treat the whores like princesses and the princesses like whoresâ?Â. He needs to lecture one of his mates every fucking time they go out because this moron treats women like dirt and nickel & dimes them until everyone is pissed off.

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159. 159 Indu WangZi Nov 19th, 2008 at 8:09 am

 

By the way, DaTou, I will be seeing that sage this weekend in Pattaya. I believe heâ??s already there and the WangZi is landing in the Pm tomorrowâ?¦

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160. 160 Datou Nov 19th, 2008 at 2:05 pm

 

Nice. give my best to Mod, Beem, Ben, Oi, Lek, Poon, etc.

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161. 161 The sandman Nov 23rd, 2008 at 3:05 am

 

I am confused by the initial premise. Does anybody really think it is stupid to give thai girls money? Not giving them money is mean minded and dishonest. I have never been, or felt I have beenâ?? ripped off by a Thai Girl. maybe in the aprox thousand liasons I have had over the years I have been ripped off but I never new about it. I guess it is a matter of perception. And I suppose yes, if I think about it hard enough the 3 or 4 times I got bad service could be perceived as being ripped off or cheated but thank god I do not see things that wayâ?¦â?¦â?¦Who are these people who have such a bad time in Thailand with women?

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162. 162 Mr Right Nov 23rd, 2008 at 7:26 am

 

â??Who are these people who have such a bad time in Thailand with women?â?Â

 

Hmmmâ?¦Grumbling ex-pats with personalityâ??s that of there own mothers dreading the Sunday afternoon phone call; Regular sex tourists who countless encounters with strange women has left them feeling empty, perverts on a tight budget etc etcâ?¦.

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163. 163 Synapse Nov 23rd, 2008 at 1:25 pm

 

Hmmm..Iâ??m thai girl and feel little bit offended. You makes us sound like we are all gold diggers or money hunger. There are plenty of thai girls that married to or dating farang and never ask for money. (We are capable of earning a decent living without taking our clothes off).

 

If you talked about bar girls that you probably meet on regular basis. Iâ??m 99% agree that you will end up paying everything for them (I leave 1% for one that really not date farang for money).Iâ??m not feel sorry for those farang a bit. I think they deserved to be ripped off by those girls!

 

Besides, if you picked the girls up from bars or strip clubsâ?¦ and want realtionship with themâ?¦what do you expect!! Royalty and perfect GF..lolâ?¦If you start your relationship with money, it will only goes on because of the money!!

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164. 164 sideshowBOB Nov 23rd, 2008 at 1:53 pm

 

syn - thanks for posting

 

u should not feel offended unless you are in the group referred to. Since u appear to not be than it is not a big deal.

 

for some guys - they only meet the girls working in bars and their opinion is what they believe the thai world to be.

 

no drama really.

 

agreed. there are tons of cool girls not looking for money or to be saved. these girls are not as easy though so for some guys spending their time on them may seem futile.

 

anyway. great points.

 

thanks for posting.

 

maybe you should write a post about how guys should meet normal girls?

 

also - ignore any posters tearing into you. I think it is cool that you commented here.

 

:)

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165. 165 BigBabyKenny Nov 23rd, 2008 at 4:07 pm

 

Sideshow Bob,

 

I think you are being suckered.

 

Synapse is probably a dude pretending to be a TG.

 

The Sandman,

 

Read Stickman and the readerâ??s submissions on his site.

 

It is a support group for Hometown Heroes.

 

BigBabyKenny

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166. 166 Synapse Nov 24th, 2008 at 7:51 am

 

SideshowBob..thanks but Iâ??m not really care if those narrow-minded dudes want to tear me apart in the postâ?¦lol

 

I think I should use the word irritated rather than feel offendedâ?¦lol. I am irritated there are SOME (not all) low-life Farangs who assum that all TGs either golddigger, hooker or drooling all over Farang. Not too often, but Iâ??ve met those kind of guys many times in Europe, Thailand, or in the States where I live.

 

BigBabyKennyâ?¦why the heck you think Iâ??m a dude anyway??? Or youâ??ve never met any TG that can speak or write good English?? You knowâ?¦there are TGs who have decent educations.

 

Iâ??m not Farang hater..lolâ?¦ my friends are Farangs or married to one. I just want to make my point that not all TG want money from their BF/husband. Itâ??s a simple logic..if you met the girl in the bar..bought them for sex. You have to remember that you canâ??t expect that them to be faitful to you. Besides, you guys already know what you got themselves into from the beginning.

 

Anyway, thanks for sharing.

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167. 167 Synapse Nov 24th, 2008 at 7:55 am

 

Correction:

 

â??You guys already know what you got yourselves into from the beginning.â?Â

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168. 168 Mr Right Nov 24th, 2008 at 11:44 am

 

Synapse wanna get a coffee or something?

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169. 169 BigBabyKenny Nov 25th, 2008 at 12:34 am

 

Synapse,

 

It is not that you write well.

 

Your thoughts and the way you express them are very male.

 

Dudes pretending they are chicks are pretty commonplace on the net.

 

I stand by my original contention.

 

BigBabyKenny

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170. 170 Synapse Nov 25th, 2008 at 10:05 am

 

BigBabyKenny,

 

Thanks for clarification.

 

Actually, my thought about the issue is pretty common among my M/F American and thai friends who have been to or live in Thailand.

 

Anyway, everyone is entitle to their opinions. Thanks again for sharing. ;)

 

Synapse

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171. 171 Muddled Dec 13th, 2008 at 8:05 am

 

Small story,

If you go to thailand and have fun with the TBGâ??s, bring the memories home

but leave the girls there, do not start sending any money thinking they wait your return.

Sure it may happen for some guys but not all.

I had a great time in the month May 08 there, met ning in the Baccarra, not a stunner but very cute

and a georgous body.

She never had an attitude but was the warmest and friendliest i met there.

The next day i was going to pattaya and i invited her to come down to stay with me a the hotel i booked.

Im not sure why i asked her to come down there with me because theres plenty of girls there

alreadyâ?¦but i liked her warmth and smile.

Had a great time with her in pattaya and then returned to Bangkok for the last couple of days before retuning home

to my country.

She is 29 and told me she is getting older and wanted a permanant guy and didnt want to

work in the bar anymoreâ?¦..great i thought.

She said to me â??you come back and stay with me next time in my roomâ?Â.

I thought great, didnt have to pay for a hotel but i can give her the money to pay for the room.

She met me at the airport and was just as i remember, warm and affectionate, it was great to see her again.

The first couple of days were great with her but her attitude was changing and i didnt know why.

I was the same guy as last time.

This time she was always on the phone and wanted to sleep and the boom boom time was not like last time.

I asked her what the problem was but she would sayâ?Âno problemâ?Â.

We went down to Phuket for a week and most of the time she was miserable.

What happened to this girl in the two months before i returned i asked myself?

Bought her a new phone, gave her abit of spending money and treated her very nicely.

I told her what we were going to do when i returned there for the month staying with her

and she was very happy i was coming back to her and the things we planned to do together.

 

I asked her if there was another guy and if i came at a bad time, i thought she might have

met a thai guy or another farang conflicted with my arrival this time.

In phuket she was always on the phone and stayed up alnight watching TV.

It was really pissing me off and i now was regreting coming back to see her.

Sometimes at night i would listen to the conversations she was having on the mobile

Sometimes i think she was talking with a boyfriend because of how softly she was speaking with

the other person, sounding like she was missing someone, but i couldnt be sure

because i only know a few thai words and phrases.

 

Came back to the room in Bangkok and then we made the trip up to her parents home

in Korat.

Had a nice time and the folks liked me, but she really treated her folks with contempt sometimes.

She seemed happier after i met her folks and was hugging me all the way back on the bus.

 

We went out a few times and had a bit of fun in the last two weeks before i was to return home again.

I left her with some info and stuff to get a tourist visa to come to my country as i was coming back in

december to spend new year there with her.

I am due to return now but she has disappeared after sending her money for the last three months

while she waited.

I felt uneasy the last month or so waitng to return, i really think there is another guy but couldnt prove it.

Her behaviour was not good on the phone or the phone was turned of for short spells at a time.

(probably put in another sim card)

I kept asking her if she wanted me back and always in her SMSâ??s and phone conversatons, the

answer was yes i wait you.

I would ring just about every night just to make sure she was in the room and not in the bar again.

Yep late at night in the roomâ?¦but alone?

 

She has now disapeared after sending the last money just before i was to arrive there

and the room phone doesnt answer same with the mobile.

Moved out i think.

I guess there was another guy after all and, probably a thai guy.

It wasnt big money i gave her, just enough for the room and living expense for the month.

 

Give them some money while your there and treat them nice and have fun but, forget them after that.

There is no way you can know what they are up to in the times you are apart.

The plans they make are different than the plans you think you have made waiting to return.

Its not as if i wasnt aware about the scene there in thailand, its just that i let my guard down

and had feelings for herâ?¦and they know how to manipulate it.

Leave the heart at home and take your wallet back home with you.

Dont trust them, dont fall for a girl there, you can be burnt.

There is plenty of new girls to meet next time, no need to have a favourite.

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172. 172 Daywalker Dec 13th, 2008 at 3:41 pm

 

- if ever there is a doubtâ?¦ then there is no doubt.

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173. 173 Young Penfold Dec 13th, 2008 at 4:15 pm

 

@Muddled - why did you put up with her shit? Your the one ponying up the cash and shes acting like a twat, so why stand for it? Grow some fucking balls man

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174. 174 â??2 Week Trevorâ? Dec 26th, 2008 at 1:17 am

 

@BBK - Thanks for the many posts. Not my style, but the raucous debate after everyone of your posts is worth price of admission and continued interest.

 

@Sandman - â??Who are these people who have such a bad time in Thailand with women?â?Â

 

As someone who only gets to visit Thailand once a year â??for 2 weeksâ?Â, I agree with the sentiment. What kind of lout couldnâ??t have a blast living or visiting BKK?

 

@YP - â??Ahhh blessâ?¦â?¦ BBK attempts humour - A bit like watching your dad dancing at a disco with his tie round his head and skidding along on his knees playing air guitar. Slightly cringeworthy.â?Â

 

Perhaps your audience missed the subtle irony. You should explain how the comment above relates to your avatar. Wicked funny, manâ?¦

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