Pope says some condom use 'first step' of morality

[Flashermac]

VATICAN CITY – Pope Benedict XVI has opened the door on the previously taboo subject of condoms as a way to fight HIV, saying male prostitutes who use condoms may be beginning to act responsibly. It's a stunning comment for a pontiff who has blamed condoms for making the AIDS crisis worse.

 

The pope made the comments in an interview with a German journalist published as a book entitled "Light of the World: The Pope, the Church and the Signs of the Times," which is being released Tuesday. The Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano ran excerpts on Saturday.

 

Church teaching has long opposed condoms because they are a form of artificial contraception, although the Vatican has never released an explicit policy about condoms and HIV. The Vatican has been harshly criticized for its position.

 

Benedict said that condoms are not a moral solution to stopping AIDS. But he said in some cases, such as for male prostitutes, their use could represent a first step in assuming moral responsibility "in the intention of reducing the risk of infection."

 

Benedict made the comment in response to a general question about Africa, where heterosexual HIV spread is rampant.

 

He used as a specific example male prostitutes, for whom contraception is not usually an issue, but did not mention married couples where one spouse is infected. The Vatican has come under pressure from even church officials to condone condom use for such monogamous married couples to protect the uninfected spouse from transmission.

 

Benedict drew the wrath of the United Nations, European governments and AIDS activists when, en route to Africa in 2009, he told reporters that the AIDS problem on the continent couldn't be resolved by distributing condoms. "On the contrary, it increases the problem," he said then.

 

Journalist Peter Seewald, who interviewed Benedict over the course of six days this summer, raised the Africa condom comments, asking him if it wasn't "madness" for the Vatican to forbid a high-risk population from using condoms.

 

"There may be a basis in the case of some individuals, as perhaps when a male prostitute uses a condom, where this can be a first step in the direction of a moralization, a first assumption of responsibility," Benedict said.

 

Asked if that meant that the church wasn't opposed in principle to condoms, the pope replied:

 

The church "of course does not regard it as a real or moral solution, but in this or that case, there can be nonetheless in the intention of reducing the risk of infection, a first step in a movement toward a different way, a more human way, of living sexuality," according to an English translation of the book obtained by The Associated Press.

 

Elsewhere in the book he reaffirmed church teaching opposing artificial contraception.

 

"How many children are killed who might one day have been geniuses, who could have given humanity something new, who could have given us a new Mozart or some new technical discovery?" he asked rhetorically.

 

He reiterated the church's position that abstinence and marital fidelity is the only sure way to prevent HIV.

 

The English publisher of the book, Rev. Joseph Fessio, said the pope was not justifying condom use as a lesser of two evils.

 

"This is not a justification," he said. Rather, "The intention of protecting the other from disease, of using a condom, may be a sign of an awakening moral responsibility."

 

[color:red]However, the Rev. Jim Martin, a Catholic writer, said the comments were certainly a departure, an exception where there had never been an exception before.[/color]

 

"While some bishops and archbishops have spoken in this way, the pope has never affirmed this," Martin said. "And it's interesting that he uses as an example someone who is trying to act morally to someone else by not passing on an infection, which was always the stance of those people who favored condoms in cases of HIV and AIDS. So it does mark a departure."

 

The English translation of the original German specified "male prostitute." The Italian translation in L'Osservatore Romano, however, used the feminine "prostitute." The discrepancy wasn't immediately clear.

 

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[Palatkik]

The age old question:

 

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[Old Hippie]

Someone kindly tell the pope to kiss my ass.

[Central Scrutinizer]

Someone kindly tell the pope to kiss my ass.

 

 

That would be gay. The prelude to gay sex. But not nearly as bad as saying, "Someone kindly tell the pope to blow me." :nahnah:

 

I thought the pope was gay? Seen in gay bars in Germany years ago? Has OH run into him in the gay saunas in SFO before? Does the pope know Ramone? C'mon OH, fess up. Send us the pics of da pope in leather biker chaps you have stashed away.

[Central Scrutinizer]

[Flashermac]

Why isn't this in the Vatican thread?

 

 

[TroyinEwa/Perv]

Make it, dude. You better or face condemnation.

[Central Scrutinizer]

We've a Vatican thread? Who knew? Is that in the Italy forum, or is it a separate forum just for the Vatican state? Is there a thread for the Swiss guards and their lovely uniforms too? Just wondering. OH might get hard seeing those big Swiss dudes all dressed up like an SFO gay pride parade entrant. I hear the pope chooses their undies. I think there is a website for that. Link anyone?