Usa Thread

[LizardKing]

You get it bro'. That's where I am comin' from. And exactly my neighborhood too! But despite all that nasty shit, I am very proud to be from Detroit. Those are MY people, that's MY city. Nothing will change that.

 

A great bit of truth here from a link in that article: [color:purple]"The ultimate fate of Detroit will reveal much about the character of America in the 21st century. If what was once the most prosperous manufacturing city in the nation has been brought to its knees, what does that say about our recent past? And if it can't find a way to get up, what does that say about our future?"[/color]

 

WORD!

 

Anyway, back on subject, here's another guy who gets it. I loves me some Rude Pundit. Tell it brother:

 

[color:purple]Dear Right-Wingers: You Are All Muslims Now:

 

Oh, dear, sweet conservative Americans, how you must have shit yourself on Saturday when you heard that someone had shot up an event with a Democratic member of Congress in, of all goddamned places, Arizona. And, worse, a Representative who had voted in favor of health care reform, which you have demonized as nothing short of a resurrection of the Nazi Party. It must have been awful for so many conservatives, thinking, praying, "Please, please, please, don’t let it be some Tea Party dick who says he did it because Glenn Beck told him to. Don’t let it be someone who wants to fuck Sarah Palin and thinks that if he starts taking out her congressional crosshaired targets, he’ll get into her pants."

 

How you must have heaved in relief when you saw that it would be quite easy to portray Jared Lee Loughner as a raving psychopath, an effort that’s helped a great deal by the apparent truth, which is that Jared Lee Loughner is a raving psychopath. Yeah, he's a psychopath who’s mad rantings are heavily peppered with an insouciant flavor of Beck or Ron Paul or loony conspiracy theory nutsiness, but a psychopath just the same.

 

Now, ah, yes, now, lovely right-wingers, you could defend yourself. You could work yourselves into a huff about how unjustly you were accused of driving this obviously disturbed individual into an act of calculated, cold-blooded violence. But that's because you're sitting there in your shit-filled underpants, thinking, "I don't believe in violence. I don't approve this. I hope the government doesn't try to crack down on us."

 

So, welcome, assholes, because you are Muslim now.

 

How does it feel to stand in Muslim shoes today? Because, right now, yes, you are being treated like suspects. You are being treated like you are guilty of the crimes that are committed by the deranged in your number. Sure, you may think, you can spout all the blood-filled, gun-toting, war-flogging rhetoric you want against citizens of your own country. But those are just words, you know? You can’t, you know, be held accountable for the actions of a few. And, gosh, it’s just wrong to lump you all together, to stereotype you all as criminals in waiting. Like, you know, you have done with Muslims since September 11, 2001.

 

Here's the deal, though. The vast, vast, vast majority of Muslims decry not only acts of violence, but the rhetoric of it, too. The vast, vast, vast majority of right-wingers not only stay silent as conservatives shoot at targets with their opponents' names or initials on them, talk about revolution and violence, and accuse Democrats of getting ready to put Americans in forced health care camps. No, you embrace your extremists assholes and anoint them your idiot queen.

 

How will you live with yourselves in the future? Look, heated, vicious rhetoric is part of the political game. But, frankly, there’s a bit difference between saying that you’re going to "target" an opponent and saying that there might have to be "Second Amendment solutions" to the nation’s problems. Let's not do the bullshit dance of false equivalence. While there was a period of time when the left was violent (which was met by officially-sanctioned violence by the government), in the last couple of decades, it hasn't been the left shooting shit up. It wasn't the left who let the assault weapons ban lapse. It wasn't the left that made access to guns as easy as a McDonald's drive-thru. It wasn't the left that cried "Fascism" to background checks for someone who wants to own a fucking machine gun. It wasn't the left that supported preemptive war and violence against individuals as solutions to our nation's problems. Time to welcome your chickens home, conservatives. Open your filthy arms.

 

So, yeah, yeah, cowering motherfuckers, Jared Lee Loughner was monkeyfuck insane. He wandered in the fringes of conspiracy theories and wallowed in the stinking pit of his own mad brain fluids. You can comfort yourselves and have a shaky drink to that.

 

But you know what, you ridiculous worms? At the end of the day, the Rude Pundit supports your right to say your stupid shit. And it's ironic that Giffords read the First Amendment during the House's big show last week of reading the Constitution. Free speech ain't a free pass. It never, ever comes without responsibility. You wanna spout crazy, violent shit? You wanna talk about end times and revolution, Glenn Beck? Then man up and know that some people will take you seriously, even if you are just a joke.[/color]

[LizardKing]

1) Doing so requires ammending the US Constitution.

Not if you actually a) read & comprehend the English language and follow the Amendment's path through Congress.

 

But we'll let the details slide...

[chuckwoww]

The gun thing in America has gone way beyond Constitutional rights and protecting property from criminals. For many it's a love affair with the hardware itself. Not sure how that relates to the Arizona shooting....just a thought.

[LizardKing]

[...]For many it's a love affair with the hardware itself. Not sure how that relates to the Arizona shooting[...]

Agreed. Outside that it is a just a fucked up fetish much like spanking girls. But a little spanking is far less damaging to society as a whole (nervously, but genuinely:) LOL

[Bangkoktraveler]

Here in Arizona, when this guy got kicked out of college because of mental issues, he should have been processed thru the court system. If that had happened, he could not have bought a gun, at least leagally.

 

Gabrielle Giffords has taken the blunt of hatred from the right wingers on her stand on health care. Another issue in Arizona is SB1070 which deals with illegal immigration. Right now, the Arizonan legislatures are possessed with getting rid of the illegals, getting rid of Medicare, getting rid of the Federal Government, etc. and has forgotten to look at State issues such as coming up with a budget.

[Hugh_Hoy]

I know you TeaParty types will deny it furiously (because ignorant, delusional and furious defines the TeaParty mind) but the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming. The Tea Party used violent language and imagery, as have you yourself, and violence has ensued. Imagine that.

 

You've lost "it", LK. That is, if you ever had "it". While not a "Tea Party type", I certainly agree with a number of the group's principals.

 

BTW, LK you really don't have a friggin' clue of what is in the Tea Party mind. Members have vastly different backgrounds and vastly different perspectives on a lot of issues. You can call them what you want, but I suspect you're just throwing shit against a wall and hoping some will stick.

 

We do agree with one thing, however. We both feel that there is a lot of "anger" amongst Tea Party members...and it is something that I share with them: that is anger directed, particularly, toward the left wing of the Demoncrap Party (The Karl Marx wing, if you will.)

 

Try as you might, LK, you can't pin this idiot's actions on the Tea Party. If you are trying to do that, you are no less ignorant and delusional than those you feel are threatening your socialist viewpoints.

 

HH

[Bangkoktraveler]

Lizard King, the right just likes to throw jabs without very little background. For example, the Right find nothing wrong with the USA paying the Iraqis health bill but if one penny is spent on USA citizens, that is Socialism.

 

As for Giffords, she is hated by the right for her stand on Healthcare but the right never mentions about her husband who has been to the Space Station and that he is suppose to be on the next flight to the space station which is the last flight to the space shuttle. Even the mention of Gifford's husband's twin brother being the current Commander at the Space Station is also not mentioned.

 

She has received a lot of threats and most if not all of those threats were fueled by the right.

[chuckwoww]

Interview with school friend of Loughner. Kinda interesting.

 

http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/01/jared-lee-loughner-friend-voicemail-phone-message?page=1

[Hugh_Hoy]

Blogs and "news" accounts are over-flowing with comments regarding the alleged perp by former associates. Clearly, this was a guy who has been on "the edge" for quite some time. Drugs were apparently part of the accused's lifestyle. Ironic: Libtards make up the majority of those who would legalize drugs and are, presumably, have the highest rate of use/abuse.

 

It has been reported that the alleged perp had attended a similar seance sponsored by/for the Congresswoman three years ago...and that he was not happy with her/her responses at that time. A simple timeline would establish that this was prior to a great deal of the polarizing vitrol spewed by both SOME liberals and conservatives alike.

 

If the Libtards want to blame the incident on "conservatism", so be it. (Such an irrational, delusional, and non-sensical laying of blame will not explain why the perp took shots at people other than the Congresswoman.) Further, I would suggest that it would be fair to claim that Libtards could then be guilty of sanctioning/promoting "murder" on the basis of their support of abortion.

 

HH

[The_Munchmaster]

Christ, what r u all bleating about? So a few folks got killed, so what? You want everyone to have the right to bear arms, so accept the circumstances, or shut the fuck up. Waaay more people get killed every day in many other countries but that doesn't seem to bother you one iota?!