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Oliver Stone to RT: ‘US has become an Orwellian state’

 

 

Americans are living in an Orwellian state argue Academy Award-winning director Oliver Stone and historian Peter Kuznick, as they sit down with RT to discuss US foreign policy and the Obama administration’s disregard for the rule of law.

 

Both argue that Obama is a wolf in sheep’s clothing and that people have forgiven him a lot because of the “nightmare of the Bush presidency that preceded him.â€

 

“He has taken all the Bush changes he basically put them into the establishment, he has codified them,†Stone told RT. “It is an Orwellian state. It might not be oppressive on the surface, but there is no place to hide. Some part of you is going to end up in the database somewhere.â€

 

According to Kuznick, American citizens live in a fish tank where their government intercepts more than 1.7 billion messages a day. “That is email, telephone calls, other forms of communication.â€

 

RT’s Abby Martin in the program Breaking the Set discusses the Showtime film series and book titled The Untold History of the United States co-authored by Oliver Stone and Peter Kuznick.

 

RT: It took both of you almost five years to produce this series. And in it you have a chapter called Obama: Management of a Wounded Empire. You give a harsh critique of the Obama administration. What in your eyes has been the most troubling aspect of his presidency, Oliver?

 

Oliver Stone: I think under the disguise of sheep’s clothing he has been a wolf. That because of the nightmare of the Bush presidency that preceded him, people forgave him a lot. He was a great hope for change. The color of his skin, the upbringing, the internationalism, the globalism, seemed all evident. And he is an intelligent man. He has taken all the Bush changes he basically put them into the establishment, he has codified them. That is what is sad. So we are going into the second administration that is living outside the law and does not respect the law and foundations of our system and he is a constitutional lawyer, you know. Without the law, it is the law of the jungle. Nuremburg existed for a reason and there was a reason to have trials, there is a reason for due process – ‘habeas corpus’ as they call it in the United States.

 

RT: Do you agree Peter?

 

Peter Kuznick: I agree, if you look at his domestic policy, he did not break with the Bush administration’s policies. If you look at his transparency – he claimed to be the transparency president when he was running for office. There has not been transparency. We have been actually classifying more documents under Obama than we did under Bush. All previous presidents between 1970 and 2008 indicted three people total under Espionage Act. Obama has already indicted six people under the Espionage Act. The surveillance has not stopped, the incarceration without bringing people to trial has not stopped. So those policies have continued.

 

Then there are war policies, militarization policies. We are maintaining that. We are fighting wars now in Yemen, Afghanistan, we are keeping troops in Afghanistan. We have not cut back the things that we all found so odious about the Bush administration and Obama added some of his own. The drones policy – Obama had more drone attack in the first eight months than Bush had his entire presidency. And these have very dubious international legality.

 

OS: Peter was hopeful that the in the second term there will be some more flexibility, we hope so. But, there is a system in place, which is enormous – the Pentagon system.

 

RT: It almost seems that they took the odious CIA policies and just branded them, so it is now acceptable – the assassinations, the extrajudicial executioner without the due process. It is fascinating.

 

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http://rt.com/news/oliver-stone-us-orwellian-022/

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It's official: Deal reached on "fiscal cliff"

 

Updated at 2:44 a.m. Eastern

The ball in Times Square has dropped, 2013 is here and, technically, so is the "fiscal cliff", as Congress has yet to officially pass a plan to avert the scheduled spending cuts and tax hikes. But before panic sets in, although lawmakers failed to meet the midnight deadline, a deal is in place and the first step to making it official -- Senate passage -- is in the books. The Senate voted 89-8 in favor of the bill in the wee hours of New Year's Day, sending the deal along to the House, which must pass the measure in order for the "cliff" to be averted.

The House is expected to vote on the deal as early as today, but given tepid signals from House Republican leaders, the vote there will be an interesting one to watch.

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57561465/its-official-deal-reached-on-fiscal-cliff/

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The legal agreement that the three made in 2009 was deemed invalid by Kansas state because they did not use a certified doctor for the insemination.

 

Why anyone would NOT use a real doctor to artificially inseminate is beyond me. That said, there's a lot of guys who jerked in a jar for $20 (?) who are very nervous right now...

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I think Obama became an establishment poitician. I don't like a lot of what is going on. That said, what is the alternative? The Republicans are far worse. Which is scarier. Obama's administration is scary enough with the violation of civil liberties and constitutional rights. The right is even worse because it seems like the fringe wants it, along with social conservatism and legislating morality.

At least with the Dems their fringe oppose what Obama is doing and will obviously oppose any Republican who gets in power and tries the same.

We are in a sad state of affairs. Countless posts ago I said we are no longer living in a free Republic. That is gone. The government is not even hiding it any longer. You can be detained for anything, any time without a lawyer for certain things. American citizens outright killed overseas without due process and its accepted because of who they associate with (suspected and known militants).

NYPD has a program of stop and search and they can and will arbitrarily stop anyone in order to get illegal guns. At one time it was okay to stop a cab with somone in it (usually minorities). They can go into apartment buildings (under the okay of the owner, which is often pressured) and stop and frisk anyone in the halls. College kids on their way to classes from home are often stopped and searched and there is no reasonable cause either.

 

I know of one girl or rather a friend of a friend, who writes a blog and was critical of the government. Nothing more than your usual rant. No threats against the President or anyone like that. When she tried to get a visa to travel to Thailand and China she was denied a visa. Had she went to LOS directly and opted for a visa on demand she would have been denied as her passport was flagged. Good thing she didn't know that and tried to get one in the US ahead of time. Its that bad now.

 

Maybe Obama really intended on transparency, maybe he didn't. What ever the case he realized he couldn't or rather wouldn't. My guess is he knew if we really saw how things worked we'd vote half the government out. That we'd rebel against the monied elite the special interests who have bought them off.

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Going back to the gun debate thingy and I see that Chicago is approaching 500 murders. Most of it minority killings. I also wondered where all these teens and 20 somethings in urban America are getting these guns? My guess, like most people, is that its stolen guns. I did a little research and found this:

 

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/guns.html

"Stolen guns account for only about 10% to 15% of guns used in crimes," Wachtel said. Because when they want guns they want them immediately the wait is usually too long for a weapon to be stolen and find its way to a criminal....

 

one of the most common ways criminals get guns is through straw purchase sales. A straw purchase occurs when someone who may not legally acquire a firearm, or who wants to do so anonymously, has a companion buy it on their behalf. According to a 1994 ATF study on "Sources of Crime Guns in Southern California," many straw purchases are conducted in an openly "suggestive" manner where two people walk into a gun store, one selects a firearm, and then the other uses identification for the purchase and pays for the gun. Or, several underage people walk into a store and an adult with them makes the purchases. Both of these are illegal activities.

The next biggest source of illegal gun transactions where criminals get guns are sales made by legally licensed but corrupt at-home and commercial gun dealers. Several recent reports back up Wachtel's own studies about this, and make the case that illegal activity by those licensed to sell guns, known as Federal Firearms Licensees (FFLs), is a huge source of crime guns and greatly surpasses the sale of guns stolen from John Q. Citizen.

According to a recent ATF report, there is a significant diversion to the illegal gun market from FFLs. The report states that "of the 120,370 crime guns that were traced to purchases from the FFLs then in business, 27.7 % of these firearms were seized by law enforcement in connection with a crime within two years of the original sale. This rapid `time to crime' of a gun purchased from an FFL is a strong indicator that the initial seller or purchaser may have been engaged in unlawful activity."

 

...The report goes on to state that "over-the-counter purchases are not the only means by which guns reach the illegal market from FFLs" and reveals that 23,775 guns have been reported lost, missing or stolen from FFLs since September 13, 1994, when a new law took effect requiring dealers to report gun thefts within 48 hours. This makes the theft of 6,000 guns reported in the CIR/Frontline show "Hot Guns" only 25% of all cases reported to ATF in the past two and one-half years.

 

So I am wondering why doesn't the government do something about this? It should be fairly easy to infiltrate gun stores, etc. and a simply computer program and some police work can determine who is buying or has bought guns for criminals.

 

I saw this on a forum about this and this is what the forumite said:

 

Most illegal guns can be traced back to a small percentage of dealers. Who these dealers are is not information that the public can access due to NRA backed legislation. Lawsuits are not good for gun industry profits. Even law enforcement has very restricted access to the ATF's gun crime trace database. That means that if police in one state suspect someone of gun trafficking they can not access the ATF's database to see if guns in other states have been traced to this person. Arrests and convictions are not good for gun industry profits. The ATF itself has lacked adequate funds, manpower, and a permanent director for years because of the NRA and the politicians it controls. Robert Ricker, a former NRA insider, admits-

 

“This is spin. This is what I used to do for the industry,†he says. “The National Rifle Association, every year, is before the appropriations committees on Capitol Hill advocating that ATF's budget be cut. They know that ATF does not have the manpower or the money to do an adequate job enforcing our gun laws.â€

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-553147.html

 

The scary prospect to me it seems like the government does NOT want to stop it for whatever reasons. Urban cities are awash with guns and it just seems like there is no concerted effort to rid the cities of it and we have thousands of young people with easy access to guns. Its insane.

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Yes, those Repubs are all for small government and individual rights.

Thank you George Bush!

 

CBS/AP/ August 2, 2010, 11:26 AM

 

"The Supreme Court ruled Thursday that police armed with a warrant can barge into homes and seize evidence even if they don't knock, a huge government victory that was decided by President Bush's new justices."

 

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"Texas Judge Tom Head is worried about what might happen if President Obama wins reelection in November. There could be riots, unrest or a “civil war, maybe,†he told a local television station this week.

 

Because of that, the Lubbock County judge has decided the only way to prepare is to increase taxes to help beef up local law enforcement.

 

“I’m thinking worst case scenario now,†Head said during an appearance on FOX 34 in Lubbock. “Civil unrest, civil disobedience, civil war, maybe. And we’re not talking just a few riots here and demonstrations, we’re talking Lexington, Concord, take up arms and get rid of the guy.â€

 

The judge spun the elaborate conspiracy theory while calling for a 1.7 cent hike per $100 on property taxes in Lubbock County, a measure being considered by the commission there. He said he feared Obama would hand over sovereignty of the United States to the United Nations and the unrest would naturally follow."

 

 

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Where does Fox News find these guys?

 

Texas judges are elected - enough said.

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Craigslist sperm donor forced to pay child support to lesbian couple - despite giving up parental rights to the baby BEFORE she was born

 

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This happened in Scotland too

 

If they're going to allow homosexual couples to raise kids, they should have the same rights - and obligations - as those of middle aged white heterosexual males...

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