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With Robert Corbin there I lost interest

[unit731]

I can't find my own birth certificate.

 

I got a new one here:

 

LINK

 

Very easy to do.

[jitagawn]

"Dear Birther - get over it, as long as his mum as an American, and she was, then he could have been born on the moon. "

 

I am not a birther

 

Its not about WHERE he was born Its about a forged document that the president of the US used,

 

He probably or may very likely have been born in Hawaii-its about deception-

 

Duh.

[bust]

 

-its about deception-

 

Duh.

 

:rotl: :rotl:

[Flashermac]

Tronald Dump Secures Electoral College Win, With Few Surprises

 

 

 

Donald J. Trump will be the next president of the United States.

 

That's been the case since Nov. 8, when Trump won 306 electoral votes, despite losing the national popular vote to Hillary Clinton by nearly 3 million.

 

And on Monday, the result was ratified by Electoral College voters, who gathered in state capitols across the United States to formally vote for president.

 

Trump secured 304 electoral votes — two fewer than he earned in November, according to the Associated Press, which tracked results from capitol to capitol. That was despite a pitched effort by some on the left who wrote letters to Trump electors trying to persuade them to switch their votes or not vote at all and keep Trump short of the 270 needed.

 

Not only did it not happen, but more electors tried to defect from Hillary Clinton Monday than from Trump, by a count of seven to two, as of Monday afternoon. Three Democratic electors in Maine, Minnesota, and Colorado tried to vote for candidates other than Clinton. The electors' votes, however, were disallowed because of state rules binding them to the statewide popular vote winner.

 

Four more electors in Washington state defected from Clinton. Three voted for Colin Powell and one for Faith Spotted Eagle, a Native American who gained some notoriety for her protest of the Dakota Access Pipeline.

 

Some of the Democratic electors tried to vote for Sanders. Others, including the Powell voters in Washington, were attempting to promote alternate Republican candidates that the House of Representatives could theoretically elect as president instead of Trump.

 

The Electoral College gathering is usually a formality — a chance for political activists to gather amid pomp and circumstance to formalize their party's victory in each state.

 

But the fact Clinton won the national popular vote by such a large margin, combined with the unconventional and unpredictable — and to many, threatening — way that Trump carried himself before and after winning the White House, led to an unprecedented effort to lobby electors to vote for someone else.

 

Electors found themselves inundated by letters, petitions, tweets and Facebook posts, urging them to cast a ballot for an alternative candidate.

 

Many people behind the lobbying campaign cited a Federalist Paper written by Alexander Hamilton, which frames the Electoral College as a safeguard against "foreign powers" that try to "gain an improper ascendant in our councils" — a potentially relevant line, in the midst of revelations that Russia attempted to disrupt this year's election by hacking and releasing Democratic emails.

 

Hollywood celebrities even got in on the act, recording video pleas to electors. But, unsurprisingly, that effort had no effect on Trump electors.

 

"I've been an elector since 1996," Pennsylvanian Ash Khare told Harrisburg public radio station WITF. "But I've never been asked to do anything because we never won since 1988."

 

Maine elector David Bright announced Monday morning that he would cast a ballot for Sanders. But Bright ultimately changed his vote to Clinton, after his initial ballot was ruled out of order.

 

A Minnesota elector, Muhammad Abdurrahman, tried to vote Sanders, according to Minnesota Public Radio reporter Brian Bakst. He was replaced by another elector who cast a ballot for Clinton.

 

Two Texas electors defected from Trump — one went for Ohio Gov. John Kasich, the other for former Texas Rep. Ron Paul. The Kasich defector, Chris Suprun, told The Hill beforehand his plans. Another Texas elector, Art Cisneros, resigned instead of voting for Trump.

 

Many Republican electors dismissed the pleas to "vote their conscience," pointing out that their consciences were perfectly fine with Trump.

 

With protesters heckling from the gallery of Pennsylvania's House chamber, Pennsylvania elector Robert Gleason seemed to pointedly respond to their efforts.

 

"My fellow electors," Gleason said, "let us always remember this shared moment when we stood up for our constitutional system, followed our conscience, answered the call of Pennsylvania voters, and did our part by electing the next president and vice president of the United States, Donald Trump and Mike Pence."

 

On Monday night, Trump issued a statement saying, "Today marks a historic electoral landslide victory in our nation's democracy." In fact, in nearly 80 percent of previous presidential elections, the winning candidate earned a larger share of the electoral vote than Trump.

 

There are two more steps in the process. States will submit a "certificate of vote" to the Federal Register by Dec. 28. Then, on Jan. 6, Congress will formally tally the Electoral College's votes in a joint session and make it official.

 

 

http://www.npr.org/2...h-few-surprises

[Flashermac]

Democratic Elites Still Can’t Grasp That Sanders Would Have Won in a Landslide

 

 

Amid the post-election outrage, a prevailing lesson for Democrats stands out among all the other excuses and scapegoats Hillary Clinton partisans and mainstream media have focused on: Bernie Sanders would have beaten Donald Trump.

 

The hypothetical keeps arising, cited by Sanders supporters demanding change in the Democratic Party, with Clinton backers denying it to avoid responsibility for propping up a failed candidate.

 

They say Sanders was too liberal, as Mother Jones’ Kevin Drum claimed in a December 14 editorial alleging the Vermont Senator would have lost to Trump in a landslide. The Huffington Post published a similar article on December 15. These takes have been regularly published since the election, and of course throughout the entire campaign season.

 

This notion that Sanders would have lost to Trump for being too liberal is baseless. Trump won without much support from the Republican establishment, while Clinton touted dozens of elite Republican endorsements, but got nowhere. Trump’s appeal was based on being an outsider. Clinton’s appeal to insiders from both parties repelled many of the voter demographics she needed to win the presidency.

 

Clinton’s record was filled with scandals and corruption, fueled by her evasive nature. “Crooked Hillary†and “Hillary for Prison†were mantras developed by the right wing that would never have been applied to Sanders, who even Republicans have praised for his integrity.

 

“I like and respect Bernie Sanders because he is honest, he’s candid,†said Sen. Ted Cruz in an interview with Chris Matthews on MSNBC’s Hardball. “We are philosophically different, but Bernie was an honest man,†Sen. John McCain said in an interview on MSNBC’s Morning Joe. “I think he’s an authentic guy. I think he’s an honest guy,†2012 Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney said on Jimmy Kimmel Live. On CNN, conservative and former Fox News host Glenn Beck admitted, “Bernie Sanders is at least honest about who he is.â€

 

Sanders is, across the board, respected and revered by his colleagues because he has remained true to his principles, no matter what government agent or corporation disagrees with him. He has the record of bipartisanshipneeded to bring together both parties, and enact meaningful reforms demanded by a public disenfranchised by a dysfunctional Congress. The words “socialist†and “radical†have been used to describe Sanders in a condescending manner, but those same labels have been used to describe past presidents who brought about significant changes and progress for the United States. Liberal elites still have a difficult time grasping this reality, and remain oblivious as to why Clinton couldn’t beat one of the most unpopular presidential candidates in modern history, wasting $1.2 billion in the process.

 

The past few years in America have been marred by a dysfunctional government, vast increases in wealth for the richest one percent, and perpetual warfare and threats from abroad. The problems facing the United States today call for revolutionary actions. The Democrats’ answer to that call was to coalesce around Clinton, who embodies the status quo. Voters chose the only other candidate who offered any semblance of challenge to that status quo, Trump—many based solely on the reasoning that he isn’t Clinton.

 

Voters were given a choice between the establishment (Clinton), and something new (Trump). However, as a recent MSNBC forumwith Sanders revealed, given the ways in which Sanders’candidacy would have challenged the establishment compared to Trump, many voters would have chosen Sanders. Too bad they weren’t given the chance.

 

 

 

http://observer.com/...in-a-landslide/

[unit731]

He probably or may very likely have been born in Hawaii-its about deception-

 

Duh.

 

He also has an Indonesian drivers license. I read it on the internet. Where is the outrage for this?

[unit731]

"WASHINGTON – Melania Trump was paid for 10 modeling jobs in the United States worth $20,056 that occurred in the seven weeks before she had legal permission to work in the country, according to detailed accounting ledgers, contracts and related documents from 20 years ago provided to The Associated Press."

 

Fox News

 

 

Those ILLEGALS are stealing American JOBS !

[Flashermac]

[Flashermac]

Donald Trump’s Forays Into Foreign Policy Strain Transition

 

 

WASHINGTON—President-elect Donald Trump is upending the modern convention that the U.S. speaks with one voice on foreign affairs, plunging into some of the most sensitive national-security matters before he takes office.

 

Mr. Trump has launched a series of challenges to President Barack Obama’s policies on nuclear weapons, China and the Israeli-Palestinian peace process, setting up a rare and increasingly public confrontation between outgoing and incoming administrations.

 

Mr. Obama on Friday brushed back pressure from Mr. Trump to block a United Nations Security Council resolution harshly criticizing the expansion of Israeli settlements. Mr. Trump on Thursday called on the administration to veto the resolution. But Mr. Obama instead chose to break from longstanding U.S. policy and allow it to pass.

 

“There’s one president at a time,†said Ben Rhodes, a deputy national-security adviser. He said the president believes “it’s important that the world understands who is speaking on behalf of the United States until Jan. 20.â€

 

Mr. Trump took to Twitter after the vote, saying: “As to the U.N., things will be different after Jan. 20th.â€

 

While Mr. Obama’s move suggests it may be difficult to eclipse a sitting president who has said he intends to “run through the tape,†Mr. Trump’s policy pronouncements as president-elect could send mixed signals to America’s allies and partners overseas about who is in charge, experts and analysts said.

 

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The president-elect is “basically signaling to the world the way he will conduct things once he is in fact president,†he said. “It’s reassuring to many of our allies and it is setting the stage for an understanding from our adversaries that there will be a new sheriff in town.â€

 

While Mr. Obama’s transition from President George W. Bush was notably smooth, previous transitions have also been rocky. President Bill Clinton’s team was accused of vandalizing government property to play pranks on the incoming President Bush.

 

Messrs. Obama and Bush cooperated on addressing the economic crisis, but Presidents Herbert Hoover and Franklin Roosevelt famously clashed at the time of the transition from the former to the latter.

 

The U.S. hostage crisis in Iran also loomed over President Ronald Reagan’s transition from the Jimmy Carter administration.

 

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http://www.wsj.com/a...says-1482507844

 

 

"May you live in interesting times."