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7 minutes ago, chocolat steve said:

...and if the basis of not wanting him for President is he's a liar. Pot and kettle Cav, really, when it comes to Trump. But a huge portion of the American people ignores or accepts it. 

The lies I am talking about relate to the corruption with Ukraine and Hunter and Joe Biden.

Please name one USA politician that has never lied?

President Trump has never been shown to be corrupt...Warren? Biden? etc etc etc

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Ok Cav, if you are equating thousands of lies with any lie from the opposition as being equals, there isn't anything else to discuss regarding this topic. You are saying don't vote for Biden from a lie as cover for thousands by Trump? Literally thousands. 

You are saying not to vote for Biden  for a lie he may or may not have told and for argument's sake, lets say he has but at the same dismissing the 1000s of documented lies told by Trump? 

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1 minute ago, chocolat steve said:

Ok Cav, if you are equating thousands of lies with any lie from the opposition as being equals, there isn't anything else to discuss regarding this topic. You are saying don't vote for Biden from a lie as cover for thousands by Trump? Literally thousands. 

You are saying not to vote for Biden  for a lie he may or may not have told and for argument's sake, lets say he has but at the same dismissing the 1000s of documented lies told by Trump? 

This is circular. You are clearly a Trump hater and will never accept any facts or truths. You claim thousands of lies by President Trump.

DId you forget about Mueller? about the Russia piss gate? that President Trump has been under attack, being spied upon even when he was a private citizen? now the press for impeachment...lots of media stories on the purposed impeachment but no vote in the Congress to really go ahead with an impeachment inquiry...

There has never been any USA president under such an uncalled for attack. I'll side with the duly elected president. I'll support the duly elected president and until credible proof arises, I'll ignore the noise by the fake, biased media and all those suffering from TDS.

...and remember the choice that the USA citizens were given for the 2016 president election; Hillary or Trump. I'll got with what Mark Farber said:
Marc Faber: HILLARY WILL DESTROY THE WORLD

http://robinwestenra.blogspot.com/2016/07/marc-faber-on-hillary-clinton.html

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CS

How to fix all this?

How about the political parties promote better candidates?
The Biden lies, it's called keeping bad people out of the White House. We have President Trump in the White House so comparing Trump to Biden...you in favor of the lesser of the evils? or get to the root of the problem and force the political parties to present credible candidates.

How about the political parties promote better platforms?

Far too long the political parties leave the voters to vote in the lesser of the evils, which is an extremely poor option!

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First, ultimately, the people get the person they deserve. It's still a Republic and you have no choice but to blame millions of Americans if not yourself/ourselves. 

Second, the number one issue is money in politics. That's the GOP's area since they backed the Citizens United decision of allowing legal bribes. Not that the Dems haven't allowed themselves to be bought as well, but the only people talking about taking money out of politics, possibly publicly financed elections as in some countries are the Justice Democrats (AOC, etc.) which is part of the reason she is so popular. 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, chocolat steve said:

First, ultimately, the people get the person they deserve. It's still a Republic and you have no choice but to blame millions of Americans if not yourself/ourselves. 

Second, the number one issue is money in politics. That's the GOP's area since they backed the Citizens United decision of allowing legal bribes. Not that the Dems haven't allowed themselves to be bought as well, but the only people talking about taking money out of politics, possibly publicly financed elections as in some countries are the Justice Democrats (AOC, etc.) which is part of the reason she is so popular. 
 

 

 

 

Strongly disagree!

The USA citizens do not deserve the politicians we now have, maybe you deserve them, I don't!

Money in politics? Pelosi, multi-millionaire, insider stock trading, many of the politicians do the same.

We had the Tea Party which was attacked by the Obama administration. There is so much wrong with the USA government that it may be at the point to scrap it and start over.

Citizens United went to the Supreme Court.
Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission, 558 U.S. 310 (2010), is a landmark United States Supreme Court case concerning campaign finance. ... The ruling effectively freed labor unions and corporations to spend money on electioneering communications and to directly advocate for the election or defeat of candidates.

Who does the bribes, unions who are always leaning to the Dems, not the GOP.

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I'll go more in detail. You didn't like President Obama, right? The American people elected him...twice! So, we deserved Obama. But actually you are right in one sense. The American people hasn't elected a Republican with a majority of the people initially for 30 years. 

I think its time to get rid of the electoral college when someone can get elected without a majority of the population voting for him. It's outdated. If you look at the reasons it was enacted, its flawed. So, in that sense you are right, about the people getting the person they deserve.

You don't like Pelosi, AOC and others. They were elected by the people in their districts. So, we deserve them. As the opposition does Graham and McConnell. Again, they are what the people in their state or district deserve. 

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