Usa Thread

[Flashermac]

 

But of course this is different.

 

 

 

[Guest lazyphil]

robaus is just looking out for those poor coloured folk-gee they must feel relieved!

[Flashermac]

So McCain's full birth certificate is accepted without question and Obama's isn't?

 

 

Steve, there is a very big and obvious difference - Obama won, McCain lost! The sore losers want to get Obama out any way they can. If somehow McCain had won, you'd probably see his birth certificate being challenged too ... but probably not as much, since it came out during the election not long after. Note that McCain's campaign manager had enough sense to hit the question on the head immediately. The Dems let it drag out far too long.

 

 

 

 

[Flashermac]

robaus is just looking out for those poor coloured folk-gee they must feel relieved!

 

 

I wonder when Australia is going to get a mixed-race chief executive like the evil racist United States.

 

 

 

 

[Guest lazyphil]

yes he boasts of a shining democracy there. fat chance of a 'first nation' getting in power since theres only about 58 of them left to vote. good social engineering there!

[Guest lazyphil]

i repeat to roboz, the repubs had condi rice and colin powell in high office/esteem.....if the repubs were so racist how did this happen?....they were not dimwit puppets

[robaus]

Yes, you're still being disingenuous... I notice no comment on the bone through the nose African witchdoctor image. Much better to cherry pick images to mask blatant Tea party racism. Care to comment on this Tea Party placard...

 

 

Just read an excellent article on the subject in the Independent.

 

Talk about Rope a Dope. Its a good job the top of the Republican ticket is never on the other side of the desk in his reality TV show...he'd never make an apprentice investigative journalist!

 

The day America took leave of its senses

 

By Rupert Cornwell in Washington

 

Has there ever been a more absurdly surreal moment, even in US politics, that unchallengeable theatre of the absurd and the surreal? One moment, we were watching a property magnate, with one eye on the presidency, the other on his reality TV show ratings, and puffed up like a bullfrog, rejoicing on an airport tarmac in New Hampshire that America's President of two years had finally made public his birth certificate.

 

 

The next, America's TV networks interrupted their schedules to cut to the White House, where that self-same President appeared to confirm the momentous fact: not that Barack Obama had indeed been born, but that the happy event indeed took place, as no sane person has ever doubted, on the unimpeachably American soil of Hawaii, one August evening in 1961.

 

Of late, however, America has seemed to be taking leave of its senses. A quarter of the population, polls showed, and close on half of Republicans, still refused to believe that unassailable fact.

 

Yesterday, in a bid to finally close the discussion, the White House released Mr Obama's original "long form" birth certificate, rather than the computer-generated duplicate with which the world thus far has had to make do. It is signed by his mother, the doctor who delivered him and the local registrar.

 

For the benefit of those who have been living – either literally or metaphorically – on a different planet for the last few years, the document bears witness that Barack Hussein Obama was born to Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Obama Senior at 7.24pm on August 4, 1961, at Kapiolani Maternity and Gynaecological Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii's capital city.

 

The "birther" controversy – in other words, the contention that the 44th president had, in fact, entered this world in Kenya or Indonesia and that the Hawaii business was a conspiracy – has moved to the lunatic centre of American political debate. And no one has done more to propel it there than Donald Trump.

 

Forced to react to that change, the President yesterday expressed the hope that the matter would now be laid to rest. He had watched "puzzled and bemused", he said, at how the issue had persisted, in defiance of all good sense.

 

But the final straw, at least in Mr Obama's telling, had come a couple of weeks ago when he delivered a major speech on deficit reduction, as argument raged over how to tackle the national debt that threatens to squeeze the life out of the world's largest economy. And what, he asked, was making headlines the next day?

 

The "birther" question, of course.

 

"Normally I wouldn't comment on something like this," the President declared. But crucially serious problems confronted the country, and: "We don't have time for this kind of silliness." Nothing would be done "if we just make stuff up, pretend facts are not facts and get distracted by sideshows and carnival barkers". The release of the document, which has briefly seemed as pivotal to the existence of the republic as the US Constitution would, Mr Obama hoped, lay the dispute to rest, except for a tiny minority who would never be convinced. "We live," he concluded, "in a serious time".

 

But do we really? Up in New Hampshire (just by coincidence, of course, the scene of the country's first presidential primary 11 months hence), the carnival barker par excellence claimed Mr Obama's announcement as a colossal victory for himself.

 

"I am really proud. I am really honoured. I feel I've accomplished something really really important that no one else was able to do," Mr Trump proclaimed, with the modesty that marks him. "I am really happy this has taken place. We have some issues that are unbelievably important."

 

Whether, however, this triumph will see "the Donald" addressing momentous matters like the deficit remains to be seen. Why so long, he wondered: why hadn't Mr Obama produced the certificate back in 2007 and 2008, when Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign was asking for it? And even now, he mused, puffing his chest: "We have to look at it. Is it real? Is it proper?"

 

And if the rigorous Mr Trump is at last satisfied that Mr Obama was not born outside America – and thus disqualified from being President – other possible deceptions loom. "I've heard he wasn't a very good student at Occidental [College in Los Angeles, attended by the President between 1979 and 1981] but he ended up getting into Columbia [university in New York City] and Harvard. How did he do so, if he wasn't a very good student?"

 

All this may be entertainment. But even if Mr Trump's goal is not the White House, but a new season on NBC for Celebrity Apprentice, in American politics right now he is rather more than a sideshow. CNN was quick to squash a Trump claim yesterday that a poll by the cable network showed him running level with Mr Obama in a hypothetical general election match-up. No such poll had ever been taken, a CNN anchor declared. Others have been however, by various news organisations, which put the property tycoon and relentless self-promoter near the top of the Republican field.

 

Everyone's heard of Donald, even though he promises a decision on whether to enter the race only at the end of next month.

 

The likes of Tim Pawlenty, Michele Bachmann and Rand Paul would kill for such celebrity right now.

 

Some, though, ask whether Mr Obama might have done better by keeping the "birther" issue alive a little longer. Its very existence suggested that Republicans were indeed a party of extremists, they note, driving away the independents and centrists needed to win in November 2012. None other than Karl Rove, who plotted George W Bush's two White House victories, has said that Mr Trump's obsession with the "birther" issue "means he's off there in the nutty right". At moments like yesterday, however, you could believe that everyone's gone nutty.

 

[Guest lazyphil]

kevin bloody wilson would go down a storm with fellow american red necks lol...

[robaus]

>>I wonder when Australia is going to get a mixed-race chief executive like the evil racist United States

 

... we already have ...Julia Gillard.. she's Welsh! :-)... even so, she's growing on me... much prefer her to the mad monk (Aussies only)

 

... and the Head of State is English ... Mrs Windsor... a lovely sheila, not at all stuck up!

 

Room enough for all of us, mate, in multi cultural Oz! hehe

 

[Flashermac]

 

I am not a Teabagger and you well know it. But apparently, anyone who doesn't agree with you is disingenuous.

 

The Teabaggers are a fringe group. You act as if they were mainstream. I put them in the same category as the BNP and Pauline Hanson's crowd. They have no chance of putting Sarah Pailin into the White House, though they can produce a lot of storm and fury. The Teabaggers actually cost the Republicans several Senate seats by managing to defeat a likely winning nominee in the primary election, when few people bother to vote.

 

I don't think Donald Trump is serious about running, but if he is the polls show him trailing Obama by about 15%, even though Obama's support is at its lowest now.

 

p.s. What was I supposed to say about the bone through the nose poster? That some idiot created it for other idiots to guffaw at? Would you like me to comment on Kevin "Bloody" Wilson's racist "humour" as well? Am I supposed to express outrage at every racist in the world? Attention is what they are looking for. Why give it to them?