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Mr Steve, in the name of truth: are there any hard facts that support your view of Mrs Melania? I do basically sympathize with her because she has a hard job living with Trump and calling her an ex-whore needs to hear the full story.

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I agree with Steve, and like him, I have no problem with her methods to enrich herself. Jeez I'd do her, but the eyes ...

We all know women who used their greatest talents to rise in society.

And even though the basic equation, is that wealth flows from Man to Woman in most relationships, you could argue that it is a matter of degree and it's an arbitrary line we draw, that distinguishes a normal woman from a whore. And men too, for those that can't think, in the general conceptual space.

My money is on her screwing her way to the top. There's no way that she came from the background that she did and by chance and talent, got to marry a (purported) billionaire.

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7 hours ago, buffalo_bill said:

Mr Steve, in the name of truth: are there any hard facts that support your view of Mrs Melania? I do basically sympathize with her because she has a hard job living with Trump and calling her an ex-whore needs to hear the full story.

None whatsoever...lol. I actually sympathize with her for the very fact, she didn't want any of this. The reports are she cried election night. No one wanted him to win and now she would be under immense scrutiny and couldn't live a quiet life in the background in luxury. 

I have no proof whatsoever as I stated. But I do now eastern Europe, specifically Hungary is the porn capital of Europe and what I do know about eastern european 'models' is that unless they are signed to the top modeling agencies right away they have to put out and its very common to make money as a high end escort. So, could I be wrong? Yes. Do I think I am (all subjectivity aside?)? I'd be shocked if I was, frankly. 

The greater issue is the hypocrisy of she getting a pass...even with what we do know (nude pics). 

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Do you know how many women are trying to get in the same room with guys like Trump? Tons and tons. I recall an article about Michael Bloomberg when asked about the number of women he was rumored to be sleeping with said something to the effect, being a single billionaire in NYC is the ultimate aphrodisiac. The article and others talk about how models, struggling actresses and any young, pretty women, use any and all means to get into the NYC dinner party circuit. 

If any of you have seen 'Sex In The City' it alludes to it. Even some super models have a tough time getting into those dinner parties. Its extremely exclusive. She wasn't dirt poor but she wasn't rich either. She was working/lower middle class at best. 

Again, I think its actually a cool thing that a foreign woman who has made nude photos at the bare minimum can be First Lady. Look at the forum we are on. We have a certain amount of sympathy for women who due to circumstances felt the need to go to the red light districts of Bangkok, Pattaya and Phuket. I won't say if I was born in their circumstances I wouldn't do the same. None of us can. 

The hypocrisy is what grates me the most. Michelle Obama, a Princeton law graduate, refined and elegant First Lady, represented the office very well (as did others before her to be fair) was vilified for wearing a dress that showed her bare arms and allegedly dishonoring the office, called all manner of things like an ape by elected officials (what private citizens do on forums is bad but they are private citizens) by the same people who has defended Melania. It's to the Democrats credit for not lowering themselves to doing similar to Melania although I couldn't fault them. I'm not so honourable..haha. I feel sad for her frankly really. 

The surreal thing was hearing so called born again Christian fundamentalists defend her. 

 

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GOP staffers criticizing Obama's daughters. Long held tradition of keeping first family kids out of politics gone for Obama's. Bush twins as teens in The White house go on drinking binges, partying, disgracing the first family and not a peep from the Dems and the press. However, criticizing the Obama daughters and  the Obama's parental skills by the GOP and Fox News, and outlets, go without much of a rebuke at all, elected officials criticizing Michelle's Obama's weight, comparing her to an ape which is about as racist as you can get. 

Melania has gotten off easy. She posed nude and lesbian pix. That's a fact. Her baby is the same anchor baby that the administration yells about at rallies. Trump's in laws got in from the same chain migration (misnamed, it was always called family reunification but that's only when its european, its chain migration for non european immigrants) they criticize about. The bullshit and the hipocrisy is overwhelming. 

 

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The big quandary for independent voters like myself is this. It's a choice between the Dems who are incompetent and weak willed and have no balls, and in the pocket of many monied groups including Wall Street and the Republicans who have shown they have zero morality, hipocritical about the constitution, honoring vets, etc and have allowed the party to be co-opted by the fringe right alt right and white nationalists. 

Its not a good time to be a voter in America. 

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Steve, your last two posts - Wot you said.

I agree, whole heartedly, Cav is hypocritical, if we go back through this thread we will find, that Cav was the first, to loudly and and without basis, attack Michelle and her kids.

Then he has the unhinged gall to say this in his postabove

15 hours ago, cavanami said:

Let's attack, defame and slander women and children... WOW, we have a few real men here... NOT!!!

 

Some of you may know the author of the below:

Well, for us Yanks it has begun…Thanksgiving…a holiday somehow celebrating the commencement of the genocide against the first wave of American immigrants by subsequent manifest destiny types in the 15 &1600s

…couple of hundred years later Abe Lincoln thought the troops needed a day off and a good feed so he made it a national holiday…later corporate government forces reinforced it by sponsoring parades and shit to start the Xmas/new years season bingeing

…Canadia even jumps the Yanks guns by doing their own version earlier….figure it gets colder earlier there…

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