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15 hours ago, Flashermac said:

We knew they would be going after Pence too. How else are they going to take over the White House without an election?  If both Trump and Pence are booted out of office, guess who becomes president. That's right, Nancy Pelosi! My liberal fruitcake sister has even told me she can't wait for that to happen.   :yay::chili::tuxedo:

If the Dems could manage to pull that off, right or wrong, you really would see a civil war in the USA, and the Dems aren't the folks with guns. Are they so blind that they can't see that? They could probably get away with dumping just Trump, but no way they could by seizing the White House but such a method.

Leaving personalities aside, simply getting rid of the criminals ought to be top of the agenda, oh wait....

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4 hours ago, Coss said:

Leaving personalities aside, simply getting rid of the criminals ought to be top of the agenda, oh wait....

 

Unfortunately, it is only getting rid of the other party's bad guys.  :(

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How dare CNN print something like this!   :xmsgrin:

Donald Trump was elected to break the elite. Of course they want to impeach him

By Scott Jennings

 

When the global elite are aligned against him and laughing like the immature cool kids you hated in middle school, President Donald Trump is winning.

When the liberal law professors are neglecting their Thanksgiving turkeys to read congressional transcripts and snarking about Trump's 13-year old son, Trump is winning.
 
When the politicians are mad — so mad that they have shut down all policymaking to impeach the President of the United States on what constitutional scholar Jonathan Turley called "wafer thin" evidence —Trump is winning.
 
You have to remember: Donald Trump wasn't elected to fit in with these people — the political, intellectual class -- to make them happy, or to become one of them. He was elected to break them. And that's apparently what he's done.
 
After Wednesday's House Judiciary Committee hearing featuring three liberal law professors and Thursday's announcement by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi that her conference is moving forward with impeachment, the die is cast -- Donald Trump will be the third president in American history to be impeached by the House of Representatives.
 
And honestly, that's just fine with Trump's supporters. What better evidence is there that you've shaken Washington to its core when the minders of a system you've come to despise are leveling the gravest punishment the system permits against the very President who is doing the shaking up?
 
We can lawyer this to death, but for many Americans this comes down to a simple observation -- Trump said he was going to rattle their cages, and by golly they seem rattled.
 
Trump's supporters have known since election night that this day would eventually come. After all, his sworn enemies have been openly promising it since before he was sworn into office! They've used words like "resistance," "coup," "insurance policy," and "impeachment" so often that, now that they are actually doing it, the American people — and Republicans especially — are offering a collective yawn.
 
Rueful analysts stare into television cameras, lamenting and wondering why Republicans aren't fleeing from the President over the impeachment hearings (he stands at 90% approval among his party in the latest Gallup poll). But there won't be massive convulsions in public opinion because everyone has known for three years what was going to happen.
 
Sure, some Democrats gamely argue that Pelosi didn't really want to go through with it, but she had to out of a sense of duty to the Constitution. But it's a half-hearted argument at best. It's true that Pelosi had no choice, although it's not because of the Constitution. Rather, her party's left flank and their inflamed grassroots activists overwhelmed her.
 
This is a one-sided, partisan impeachment. It's the exact kind of thing Congressman Jerry Nadler, now chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, warned Republicans about in 1998, during Bill Clinton's impeachment.
 
But political party leaders almost always do what the bulk of their party's supporters want them to. Republicans — no matter how moderate — got in line to cut taxes and confirm an avalanche of conservative judges because that's what their activists expected.
 
And what have Democrats wanted more than anything since Trump's election? Since the confirmation hearings for Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh? Since Trump made Twitter his private channel to the electorate? Since the Mueller probe? Since the Trump Hotel story? Since questions over Jared Kushner's security clearance? Since...you name it?
 
The answer is obvious: to undo the 2016 election by any means necessary. It's a political itch that had to be scratched, and Pelosi could hold off her tormented partisans no longer.
 
So here we are, headed for a rushed, hyper-partisan (and futile) exercise put on by the very elites Trump railed against to get himself elected in the first place. But for all the relief they might feel in finally striking this blow against Donald Trump, I wonder: have these Trump opponents even considered what this impeachment signals to the American people?
 
That partisanship is more important than policymaking? That House Democrats have no confidence in their party's ability to beat Donald Trump in an election?
 
And, perhaps most alarmingly, that impeachment — once reserved for the gravest of situations — is now just another tool to inflict damage on their politica

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/05/opinions/trump-is-still-winning-jennings/index.html?ofs=fbia&fbclid=IwAR1CSaOebWGn17KeNxH7ApgEMJAupfxXF5FYhv2ZLx-xV49sSDkB9QtxHOw

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AOC and the others are breaking the elite as well. Both parties leadership are essentially bribed (thank you Supreme Court). They vote based on the needs of the people who gave to their campaign (the NRA, Wall Street banks, Unions, Fossil fuel industry, big Pharma). The new entrants from the farther left made it a point of not taking money. They are not corruptible and that is why even the Democrat establishment, including Pelosi and Biden do not like them and have made rules that has made it difficult for others to do the same such as banning any person such as strategists, pollsters from working with the DNC if they work for someone trying to unseat an incumbent. See folks, I criticize the Democrats as well 😊

Trump was bought, in part. Billionaire nationalist Robert Mercer and those under his purview chose much of Trump's key staffers. Trump is not independent. To his credit he has tried and have fired some of Mercer's choices but he is not independent. The 7 figure donations to his inauguration were essentially bribes to be in his good favor. 

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It doesn't matter if someone wants you out of the office no matter what. If you break the law, you gave them a ready excuse. The Republicans were at the ready to impeach Obama on literally anything. The flimsiest of reasons. When you have the head of the Senate and other elected officials say they are not going to work with the President on anything, its more than enough proof. Try as they did, they couldn't come up with any reason, even if its unjustified. 

There were 8 years of videos posted on this forum saying an impeachment of Obama was imminent and none of them came to fruition or even close. No matter what one might think of his politics, he ran about as pristine of a shop as any President could. He's a former Harvard Law Review editor and a constitutional law professor. Tough to get a person like that. 

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The economy is anemic and as I said the jobs numbers are hiding the fact that most Americans are struggling. To be fair to Trump its been like this since 2008. After the Great Recession, many jobs, in the millions, never came back to pre recession ways. Company didn't re-hire after layoffs, they cut back on salary, benefits, etc. There are some industries and niches that have some demand, even in bad times, there is a need for certain jobs. However, overall, we never fully recovered from 2008. The job numbers under Obama were the same tweaked numbers that Bush used and Clinton used but in Clinton's case the economy was great so even tweaked, it was still a good economy. Anyway, Trump got a lot of voters because they would hear from the White House press room so many jobs being created and their lives didn't reflect it and they knew it was bullshit. Trump came along and said, not only are those numbers bullshit, I'm going to solve your quality job issue. Hillary didn't address it She had to ride the job numbers sine it was her own party. 

Trump's numbers are the same and the economy still sucks. Here is the difference. The Obama voters who voted for Trump out of desperation in Wisconsin, Ohio and Pennsylvania aren't going to this time if its Bernie as the Dem candidate. They may stay home or vote again for Trump if its Hillary/Obama 2.0 like Biden. Also, Trump brought out the fringe right vote who thought the Republican party wasn't hard enough. They weren't impressed by McCain or Romney. Trump spoke to them and what is not discussed is the alt right vote. Trump got a lot of people who hated all sorts of people to come out in numbers. A lot of those guys at rallies were first time voters or haven't voted in a long time. 

The big difference this time around is their job still suck but they are voting for Trump anyway. Why? Because they are fighting for more than economics. They see the demographic changes, rise of non Black citizens, non heterosexual people, etc  as an existential threat to themselves and their progeny. They see it as a cultural civil war not too dissimilar than 150 years ago. They are going to ride with Trump come hell or high water. They are not dissuaded from videos of kids in cages, they are encouraged by it. They aren't dissuaded by hundreds of thousands kicked off food stamps, etc, they are encouraged by it. If we have a crash, it could change some of them. Not all but some. What a crash will do is get out the non Republican vote and it won't matter if Republicans get a record turnout. If Dems or left of center people vote, Dems win. We saw that in Kentucky, Louisiana and other races in November that had record Republican turn outs. Its the dirty little secret the Republicans don't want the masses of Republicans to know is that that can turn out even 100 percent in some cases and still lose. The country is essentially moderate and left of center at its core as a collective. And the future is even moreso. The milennials are progressive. They grew up in a progressive society. They have had classmates since kindergarten who don't look like them, so its hard to tell them they should vote against people who have personal relationship with. They grew up on hip hop, and the internet that has made the world small. They grew up playing video games against other gamers from Saudi Arabia, Korea, etc, and its going to be tough to get them to go along with projecting American might at countries with people they know of and you can't demonize them. 

 

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Thank you President Trump for the excellent ecocomy! My portfolio is up 14% this year! 

That's actual and I see the great results of the economy everyday! So the nay sayers can harp and promote theories BS but I see the actual numbers!!! 

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