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29 minutes ago, chocolat steve said:

I'm not sure if any of his policy views are because of lobbyist money. But his core views, abhorrent as they are, are at least honest. 

The only people who find his views abhorrent, are the people that stand to lose if he wins.  Sanders is popular with people because he chimes with their own beliefs.  The only real poll that counts is the ones that will make him the presidential candidate and ultimately president.  And so far he is going very well.  It well worth pointing out a lot of his enemies are in the DNC.

A lot of people in politics, the wider media, absolutely loath him because he's committing the cardinal sin of actually caring about poor people. 

Not addressed to you Steve, but people in general: If you find yourself despising Sanders, take a good hard look at yourself - you've been conned, clear and simple.  No shame in that, just wake up to yourself, try to discover things out by doing a tiny bit of research.  I admit it's not nice to discover you've been conned but it's not the end of the world.  Move on, learn a lesson from it. 

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1 hour ago, chocolat steve said:

Sanders became a millionaire very recently mostly through book sales. He was among the poorest Senators, if not the poorest for most of his career. Let's put things in their proper context and not create a narrative that's simply not true. 

Sanders has enriched his family and the people around him. His present wife has especially benefited from his years in office.

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3 hours ago, cavanami said:

Sanders has enriched his family and the people around him. His present wife has especially benefited from his years in office.

And so what?  Do you expect the guy to camp in the streets?  What is so amusing about this line of thinking is that Trump a pretend billionaire that won't even release his tax records because he fears it will reveal the truth - that he is hopelessly in debt and desperately trying to repay it by being a corrupt puppet for the Russian government.  They got him.  They really did get him.

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2 hours ago, panadolsandwich said:

And so what?  Do you expect the guy to camp in the streets?  What is so amusing about this line of thinking is that Trump a pretend billionaire that won't even release his tax records because he fears it will reveal the truth - that he is hopelessly in debt and desperately trying to repay it by being a corrupt puppet for the Russian government.  They got him.  They really did get him.

Try to focus....we are talking about Sanders and the 100s of millions of dollars that his family has profited from Bernie being in politics. Trump is another discussion.

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3 hours ago, cavanami said:

Try to focus....we are talking about Sanders and the 100s of millions of dollars that his family has profited from Bernie being in politics. Trump is another discussion.

Classic projection, highly amusing.  What's next?  Sanders paying hush money to his porn star conquests?  You do realize once Trump is gone you'll fall into a kind of depression that once over you'll feel very much better.  Kind of like the euphoria you experience after an extreme bout of projectile vomiting. 

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9 hours ago, cavanami said:

Sanders has enriched his family and the people around him. His present wife has especially benefited from his years in office.

Again, he was among if not the poorest Senators. That is the meme and now we are deflecting to his wife. He became a millionaire off book sales. Let's agree the meme is deflective about his money. Okay? 

Second, when we make general statements, we need some facts and context. While mayor of Burlington VT, his wife was appointed to a position within the city. Nepotism for sure, but that's not abnormal in politics, she is ideologically closely linked with him and they have always operated as a team. With Bernie's ideology, its fair to say it conflicts with it. His wife also started a media buying company, basically online advertising,  that people have hired because her husband is a senator I'd guess. It wasn't a huge business in terms of profit. The only other business was a non profit think tank his wife and son started to promote liberal/progressive policies a few years ago. It was worth under 500k, no hint of impropriety. Tiny by think tank standards  

Bernie's campaign takes no corporate money, remaining pure of influence. That makes him the candidate with the most integrity to his politics. 

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3 hours ago, cavanami said:

Try to focus....we are talking about Sanders and the 100s of millions of dollars that his family has profited from Bernie being in politics. Trump is another discussion.

Any specifics about the hundreds of millions? 

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10 hours ago, panadolsandwich said:

The only people who find his views abhorrent, are the people that stand to lose if he wins.  Sanders is popular with people because he chimes with their own beliefs.  The only real poll that counts is the ones that will make him the presidential candidate and ultimately president.  And so far he is going very well.  It well worth pointing out a lot of his enemies are in the DNC.

A lot of people in politics, the wider media, absolutely loath him because he's committing the cardinal sin of actually caring about poor people. 

Not addressed to you Steve, but people in general: If you find yourself despising Sanders, take a good hard look at yourself - you've been conned, clear and simple.  No shame in that, just wake up to yourself, try to discover things out by doing a tiny bit of research.  I admit it's not nice to discover you've been conned but it's not the end of the world.  Move on, learn a lesson from it. 

Much of the poor in this country have voted for people who make life difficult for themselves because from the start of this country, the elite powers have done a "conquer and divide" with the poor. The main strategy was to sew animosity between races and ethnic groups to the point its now part of the American DNA. 

There are literally towns in rural America, like in Kentucky, all white, almost all on social welfare who are Republican and vote for people who are against welfare   https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2016/11/owsley-feeling-forgotten-america-white-county-161107111708901.html . Just like there are areas devastated by the drug crisis and vote for people who take money from big Pharma. 

 

 

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I'm well off.  I'm young, if I decided to retire right now, I could live a very rich lifestyle for the rest of my life.  When I go to a foreign country people are surprised by just how accessible I am; and even though half the time I don't know the words they are saying (I'm learning it all, I can often mimic what some stranger said to me years ago), I almost completely understand them.  Deriving understanding from context, body language etc inferring things.  I've saved many lives by quick thinking.  I don't want any credit for that. A good education and being well compensated is enough for me. 

The point is I realized very early on lost and incredibly drunk in a Cambodian slum (and let's face it determined to do myself in), when a family came to my aid and took me in.  I crudely stitched up a wound that was very deep and ran the length of my hand with some needle and sewing thread, I was losing too much blood.  They kind of watched me with a kind of fascinated horror.  I gave the young boy some money to guy buy a bottle of spirits.  He came back very quickly and I splashed some on my hand and downed the rest in one go.  I took about 500 hundred dollars and put it on a  nearby table.  I hope you don't mind taking this, I make this in a couple of hours of work.  And walked out of there. 

What I realized is that the poor are much more likely to help you in an hour of need even if they have nothing.  The won't rob you, they'll work tirelessly for almost nothing, and I reserve the highest contempt for people that look down on them. 

I wandered out of the slum which took a long time - often having to lean against a wall.  Eventually I got back, the pharmacy was open and I bought all the items I needed to disinfect and re-suture the wound which I did in a bar whilst drinking a jug of Angkor.  I gave myself a tetanus shot and an antibiotic injection.  The girls that knew me there were distraught saying I should go to a hospital - one more jug of Angkor thanks, I *am* the hospital by the way and you don't know how much it's cost me.   It was a very nasty wound, you could see tendons and bones but you have to understand I deal with this stuff all the time. 

What I mean is that we all try to, try to wash the grey away.  We pretend to not notice poverty, children dying because they couldn't get a clean cup of water with some salt and sugar in it.  It's your shame, it's my shame. 

Why do people with virtually nothing share it with someone - a stranger no less?  That strange night in Cambodia completely changed my thinking.  On a side note you can barely see any sign of a scar on my hand, the stitching virtually perfect.  Well it it is my day job.  What is more worrying is there is no memory of how I got there or how my hand was wounded.  Still you can't have everything I suppose. 

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The most lasting and dangerous act of Trump is rarely talked about. Bannon's idea. Trump has been nominating the most federal and appeals court judges, any and all vacancies as much as he can, He's putting them in at historic levels.  With the majority in the Senate he's been getting federal judgeships that few people realize is also a lifetime appointment into place. He's putting it people with not only limited experience but have a far right nationalist ideology. This is something that will affect America for decades and affect it worse than pretty much anything he is doing now. It's ingenious. 

His supporters will love it obviously but it's going to ruin America and Americans rights for decades. 

Some of them are just straight out incompetent and everyone on here is more qualified than this guy. 

 

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