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His hard core support won't change. They don't care. He is feeding their xenophobic and bigoted fears and give them the comfort they will not lose their status in America. That's all that matters. He can raise their taxes, take their healthcare, do whatever the hell he wants,  fuck little girls, fuck his daughter,  shoot a man on fifth avenue, be extorted by Russia or China, help kill 200,000 in a pandemic,  it all doesn't matter, as long as he maintains that. 

It also exposes the christian right wing evangelicals as well. They were never christians. I truly believe that. I don't consider them christians. Modern day pharisees who put power, access to presidents, bigotry, and use religion as a convenient cover to do it. They have been on the wrong side of EVERY socially just movement in America. Every single one. Southern and midwest evangelicals were for slavery, for the south in the civil war, for Jim Crow and segregation, against the women's right to vote in 1919, against the civil rights movement, against the women's right movement in the '70s, against gay marriage, for both wars in the middle east. They haven't been on the right side of anything because they are not christian.  One has to wonder why more evangelicals support tRump than any other president prior.  Bush is a born again Christian, so is Obama, but more  came out for tRump. Imagine that. There were evangelicals who passed on Bush and Obama, one of their own but came out to support tRump over even Bush? Wonder what made them support tRump over a born again, evangelical, one of their own? These are the same people who said Clinton was unfit for getting his dick sucked but tRump is okay for getting his dick sucked by a porn star. These are the same  people who have viewed Mormonism as a non Christian religion historically but backed a Mormon (Romney) over a born again Christian (Obama) even though they have always said a Christian should always vote for their own. And when asked if Obama is a Christian, one of them says "he says he is'. 

The good thing about the last 4 years is it exposes Republicans are more full of shit than the Democrats and that takes some doing because the Dems are spineless posers. It tells is that the Republican party are far, far more dangerous than the Dems because they have shown they literally have no line. They literally will do anything. The Dems have a line. Its fairly low but there are some things they simply won't do. If someone can tell me what the Republicans will not do, I'd love to hear reasoned (you gotta say reasoned and logical or its just lies and deflective bullshit) evidence otherwise. 

The Republicans scare the living shit out of me. Until tRump I never, ever thought Americans would back someone who not only lacks any competence for the office but could and may be compromised b a foreign power. They will back treason. All that flag waving is bullshit. I would be saying the same if it were the Democrats. They are full of the usual political bullshit both parties do: undue influence by companies, rich individuals, not carrying out campaign promises. Not good but its the norm. This shit though? This is nation ending type of shit. It's now solid proof to the world and specifically our enemies we have completely lost the plot. We have lost every ally save Israel and the reason for tRumps popularity is totally self serving. They are the only one we have maintained and it isn't even for honorable reasons. No one trusts us nor should they. 

There may be one thing that will scare me  as much or possibly more than the Republicans of today. And that is they will push the envelope so far they make the left feel the current Dems are no longer legitimate and the far, fringe left comes to power. Then we will see some scary shit. And it will be the Republicans of today's fault. 

 

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As I see the first debate (grades, A to F)

                                                      Trump                           Biden

Best makeup                                  C                                    B

Best energy                                     C                                   A  (whatever they shot Biden with, I want some!)

Allow the other to speak               F                                    F  (they both needed to shut up and allow the other to speak, childish, bot of them!)

Preparation                                      C                                    B

I feel Biden did very well, overall. Trump looked tired and with both of them constantly interrupting the other, I was very turned off.

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3 hours ago, cavanami said:

As I see the first debate (grades, A to F)

                                                      Trump                           Biden

Best makeup                                  C                                    B

Best energy                                     C                                   A  (whatever they shot Biden with, I want some!)

Allow the other to speak               F                                    F  (they both needed to shut up and allow the other to speak, childish, bot of them!)

Preparation                                      C                                    B

I feel Biden did very well, overall. Trump looked tired and with both of them constantly interrupting the other, I was very turned off.

Well Cav, I would've weighted it more towards Biden, but overall, you show remarkable fairness and it's clear you saw the same debate I did.

Wot yer think of the"Proud Boys, stand down, stand by",  moment?

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....actually, I am wrong. The Republicans of the Lincoln Project and those that have routinely criticized tRump and the ones who endorsed Biden are decent. I don't think they needed to endorse Biden for that. Those are the Republicans I can admire and if their policies are decent enough, could even vote for.

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Presidential debates are largely bullshit and the only thing one can gleam from them is how someone stands up to pressure in the here and now. Other than that, its largely a waste of time. The policies are already clear. We already know what they think. Not everyone is a great public speaker. Its far, far down the list of what makes a good president. Teddy Roosevelt had a high pitched whiny voice, but he is on Mt. Rushmore. 

 

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Trump dog whistling, well, you can't even call it that, he fully endorses far right militia, supremacist groups. The Dem establishment, some of them may be accused of not being vociferous in condemning Antifa. Valid to some extent. As far as BLM, its mainstream. When you have major sports teams taking a knee its mainstream. I use the all inclusive BLM term to describe it. Not the organization by that moniker. 

 

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Gentlemen,

due to the nocturnal event I did not watch it and it looks as if I did not miss anything. Viewed a few clips and have to agree: childish both of them. The good news for the Trump haters is that Biden did neither fall asleep nor started babbling nonsense.

And: An American professor wrote some books about this type debates and found out that a change of mind within the spectators lasts about 10 days and then swings back to the previous status.

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Debate schedules:

VP                10/7

Prez              10/15         10/22

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39 minutes ago, cavanami said:

Debate schedules:

VP                10/7

Prez              10/15         10/22

What is this ?

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