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4 minutes ago, buffalo_bill said:

Mr Steve you seem to suffer from a Melania Trump complex . Let it rest . To improve her life she paid a price here and there, all this is meaningless looking at the general big picture . To be married to the loving Donald is certainly not heaven but hell on earth, up to her. Nuff said.

No sir, payback for the right wing press constantly going after Michelle Obama for the most asinine and inane things like she wearing a sleeveless dress and saying its unbecoming a first lady. But the press has no issues with a first lady that sold pussy. I don't have a problem with first ladies, Laura Bush was a great first lady. Hillary was more political but even she didn't do the job of first lady any ill service. Melania is a "birther" and doesn't see an issue with kids in cages. Fuck her. Glass houses. 

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44 minutes ago, chocolat steve said:

The FBI has every group infiltrated, informants. NYPD infiltrated BLM about 4 years ago and their findings got leaked. Posed no threat. They determined Antifa is overblown No real threat. No organization, no structure. But this Republican led FBI, by a Republican president, has determined that the only real threats are far right wing militias like the Proud Boys and others, who coincidentally are Trumpers. Imagine just how much of a threat you have to be when the people you support in government consider you too crazy? 

I know that my post on this " People You May Know (2020)"  came off, like the other side of the Cavanami coin, but I'm serious, what you've just said is part of what's addressed in the Docco.

The GOP/Conservatives want to use Trump as a wrecking ball, (God's Wrecking Ball) to be able to get enough support at the state level to hold a Constitutional Convention ( they can happen), that will allow, perhaps on a single issue like Abortion, to have all sorts of other 'Rights" piled on and rolled back, like LGBTQ, Women, Race, etc, etc....

- Conservatives call for constitutional intervention last seen 230 years ago https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/11/conservatives-call-for-constitutional-convention-alec  Lawmakers push for ‘constitutional convention’ to restrict federal government – and it’s not as far fetched as it sounds - 

The Docco exposed the movement by (curiously a Kiwi out of Melbourne) not hacking, but 'opening' a private website that had shoddy security, that laid bare all their plans. Anyone who knows or thinks they know, big data and security will understand that this Docco is not bait, it's  factual. The Docco maker even went to the secret meeting in a Hotel in New Orleans and guess who showed up? Pence, to give the main address...


Asking you guys to go off and seek a not widely available Docco is a stretch I know , but I feel at least, this post will mark a moment in time, when we can see some genesis of change.


I've just found it on Sundance





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Remember that Trump views himself as a perpetual winner at life. He is incapable of admitting defeat or failure -- his multiple bankruptcies were all strategic successes, any deal that went south was because he decided it was a bad deal etc. -- and, therefore, when a loss looks likely Trump naturally looks for reason as to why he was somehow cheated, for example:

His fact-free assertion that 3 to 5 million people cast illegal votes in the 2016 election to explain why Hillary Clinton beat him by nearly 3 million in the popular vote. His blaming of Republicans who refused to run on his record (false!) for GOP losses in the midterms.

His ongoing attempts to suggest that everyone involved with the FBI counterintelligence probe, which found that Russia sought to actively interfere in the 2016 election to help him and hurt Clinton, should be jailed.

And of course, Trump's repeated -- and repeatedly false -- claims that the increase in mail-in-balloting in the 2020 election (due to concerns about Covid-19) will lead to a fraudulent election.

"This will be the most corrupt Election in American History!," Trump tweeted on Wednesday.


Trump's refusal to participate in a virtual second debate fits directly into that pattern of thinking: They changed the rules on me! Joe Biden couldn't survive another in-person debate with me! This is all rigged!

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1. "I beat him easily in the first debate, according to the polls that I've seen, but I beat him easily in the -- I felt I beat him easily. I think he felt it too."
Every reputable post-debate poll showed that viewers believed former Vice President Joe Biden won the first presidential debate. And away we go!
2. "No, I'm not going to waste my time on a virtual debate. That's not what debating is all about. You sit behind a computer and do a debate. It's ridiculous. And then they cut you off whenever they want."
"Debate" is defined by Merriam-Webster as "a regulated discussion of a proposition between two matched sides." That definition, you might have noticed, says nothing about the debate needing to be in person. Also, Trump revealed more than he meant to when he said that "they can cut you off whenever you want." As in, he knows that in a virtual debate with Biden he would not be able to relentlessly interrupt like he did in the first debate.
3. "And they tried to protect Biden. Everybody is. "
Trump appears to be under the mistaken impression that he won the first debate. Which, again, polls show he did not.
4. "(Biden) was raising his -- his very thin hand and he was fracking. And now all of a sudden he's not fracking."
"His very thin hand." What?
5. "They're lying to everybody. They're lying about so many different things." 
Donald Trump once said four false things. In one sentence.
6. "Yes, well, first of all, I think I'm better. I -- when -- when -- to a point where I -- I'd love to do a rally tonight. I wanted to do one last night."
It may be worthwhile to note here that Donald Trump is not, in fact, a medical doctor.
7. "You know, no matter how good the security, you're not going to protect yourselves from this thing with just your standard anything unless you just literally don't come out."
This is patently false. Doctors and infectious disease experts -- not to mention scads of data -- have made clear that wearing a mask, social distancing and avoiding large crowds all can greatly reduce the spread of Covid-19. That Trump often didn't take any of those precautions likely played a significant role in him getting the virus.
8. "No, I don't think I'm contagious, but we still have to wait -- I don't think I'm contagious at all."
... said someone who is not a doctor.
9. "You catch this thing. It's, you know, it's -- it's particles of dust. It's tiny stuff."
Tell me more about these "particles of dust"...
10. "And, remember this, when you catch it, you get better. And then you're immune, you know? I -- as soon as everything goes away for me, you're immune."
Well, 211,000 Americans who caught Covid-19 didn't get better. They died from it. As to whether Trump, or anyone else who has had Covid-19, is immune from getting it again, the science is still very unclear.
11. "I'm back because I'm a perfect physical specimen and I'm extremely young. And so I'm lucky in that way."
He's joking. Right? He has to be.
12. "Perhaps a couple of pounds we could lose here and there, but, you know, because a lot of people in that category."
According to his 2020 physical, Trump has a Body Mass Index of 30.5, which puts him in the "obese" category. Also, terrific use of the royal "we" here.
13. "Now, what happens is you get better. That's what happens, you get better."
Again, 211,000 Americans did not get better.
14. "I think I would have done it fine without drugs. It -- you know, you don't really need drugs."
Not. A. Doctor. (Also: This sends a very dangerous message to Trump backers who may get Covid-19 and insist, like the President, that they don't need drugs to treat it.)
15. "I'm -- I'm glad because I'm the leader. And I can't be like Biden where I hang out in a basement every day. Sure, he -- if I wanted to hang out in a basement, I wouldn't catch it, but I meet a lot of people and I have to."
The idea that only real leaders catch a life-threatening illness is, well, wow.
16. "Sometimes I'd be with -- in groups of -- for instance Gold Star families. I met with Gold Star families. I didn't want to cancel that. But they all came in and they all talked about their son and daughter and father."
In which the President of the United States suggests, with zero proof, that he contracted the coronavirus by meeting with Gold Star families. Very normal stuff!
17. "They want to hug me and they want to kiss me. And they do. And frankly, I'm not telling them to back up. I'm not doing it. But I did say it's like -- it's obviously dangerous. It's a dangerous thing I guess if you go by the Covid thing."
"The Covid thing."
18. "I figured that you probably -- that probably at some point I'd catch it and I'll get better. That's what happened. I've caught it. I could've been out of the hospital in one day."
Actual doctors decided to keep Trump in the hospital for four days.
19. "I feel perfect now, Maria, otherwise I wouldn't be able to speak to you."
It was a phone interview.
20. "They were trying to get things and we were trying to get things and it wasn't going anywhere. I shut it down. I don't want to play games."
Isn't shutting down talks of a stimulus bill in Congress via Twitter basically the definition of playing games?
21. "Unless Bill Barr indicts these people for crimes, the greatest political crime in the history of our country, then we're going to get little satisfaction unless I win and we'll just have to go, because I won't forget it."
So, the President is ordering his attorney general to prosecute people for alleged crimes involving the 2016 FBI counterintelligence operation into Russian interference in the 2016 election? Totally fine and very normal! Also, what does this mean: "then we're going to get little satisfaction unless I win and we'll just have to go, because I won't forget it."
22. "But, it's still not that easy, you have a 'deep state,' you have a group of people that don't want to have documents shown, which tells you bad thing, you know, but they -- they have to give them ultimately and we're getting them, you know."
The attorney general who was appointed by Trump is part of a "deep state" that refuses to criminally charge people for their actions curing the 2016 election? Man, everyone is in on it!
23. "Well, I don't want to say that yet, he's been disappointing. He talks about, you know, even the voting thing that he doesn't see the voting ballots as a problem."
FBI Director Christopher Wray has disappointed Trump because he has been unwilling to say that there is widespread mail-in-balloting fraud because, well, there is no widespread mail-in balloting fraud. So, yeah.
24. "If you were running for office, and if you see thousands and thousands of ballots being thrown into rivers, and they have your name on it in some cases, in other words people -- we had military ballots where people voted for me, military, the military's going to vote for me because I -- I rebuilt the military."
It was nine -- yes NINE -- ballots that were found in Pennsylvania. And local officials said that there was no malicious intent to get rid of them.
25. "Actually, it was Joe Biden that called the military a bunch of dirty bastards and he said it on tape. He called them a bunch of dirty bastards and he said it on tape."
26. "We're in all these different sites fighting in countries that nobody ever heard of and it hurts us because we're -- you wear out your military."
"Fighting in countries that nobody ever heard of." -- The President of the United States
27. "Look, I sit next to Joe and I looked at Joe. Joe's not lasting two months as president, OK, that's my opinion. He's not going to be lasting two months."
Just the President predicting that Biden will die within two months of taking office, with no proof whatsoever to back up the claim other than he has sat in the same room with the former vice president.
28. "Pennsylvania will never go for him because Pennsylvania has a million jobs that are fracking."
Latest Pennsylvania poll: Biden 54%, Trump 42%.
29. "And I saved the chicken tax on the truck with South Korea. They were going to wipe out the chicken tax."
Ah yes, the chicken tax.
30. "I went to the farmers, I said look, we got to play a game with these people but I'm going to put tariffs on you, nobody even heard of tariffs."
"I don't want to play games." -- Donald Trump, in this exact same interview.
31. "We have a lousy phone here."
Honestly, same.
32. "I've never seen such liars as this, they're worse than crooked Hillary, (Kamala Harris) was worse in other ways."
Again, keep in mind that Donald Trump once said four false things in one sentence.
33. "If people delete emails in a regular court case, (Clinton) delete(s) 33,000 emails and nothing happens to her. Our justice system, nothing happens to her. With all of the pages of stuff, thousands of pages that we have on them, nothing happens to them. Nothing happens."
The 2016 election ended 1,430 days ago.
34. "Frankly, the Bush people, some of these losers that used to work for Bush, they're worse than -- they're worse than the Obama people."
Ladies and gentlemen, the head of the Republican Party!
35. "But, look -- and they're in the State Department, but Mike Pompeo is unable to get them out, which is very sad actually. I'm -- I'm not happy about him for that, that reason."
I think Trump is blaming the secretary of his State Department, one of his most loyal allies, for not finding and releasing emails sent by Hillary Clinton when she was at the State Department? Or something?
36. "And, you know, to be honest, Bill Barr's going to go down either as the greatest attorney general in the history of the country or he's going to go down as a very sad -- sad situation. I mean, I'll be honest with you, he's got all the information he needs."
Just the President running a pressure campaign against his own attorney general. This is fine!
37. "No, I'll -- I'll be tested pretty soon, but I'm -- I'm essentially very clean."
38. "They say it's over -- periods of six, seven days and I was -- I -- you know, it was amazing thing happened to me."
39. "I've got to be a leader. I can't -- Winston Churchill didn't sit in his basement for six months."
Oh so now we're comparing ourselves to Winston Churchill, are we?
40. "And I think at some point I would -- it's a very -- look, it's a tiny, tiny linking it to a tiny little microscopic piece of dust and it gets into your nose or your mouth or your eye frankly or something else or you touch something. So I understand and then you get better."
Yes, yes, he clearly understands exactly how Covid-19 works. That much is obvious.
41. "It's not even -- it's not a heavy steroid"
42. "But why isn't Hilary Clinton being indicted for terminating 33,000 emails that she got from Congress? Congress made a request to see them. Everybody else I know gets indicted when they don't give that."
What was the question that got Trump back onto Hillary Clinton's emails? "I'd love to come back to the White House," Bartiromo said. "I saw it up close and personal." At which point Trump interrupted her to make his point about Clinton's emails. Again.
43. "We have tremendous Black community support, men and women, by the way, because I've done more for the Black community than any president except Abraham Lincoln. And it's true."
"And it's true."
44. "He's not mentally capable. He's not mentally capable of being president. You know that. Everybody knows that. Everybody that knows him, he can't be president."
What evidence did Trump provide to back up a claim that his Democratic opponent is not "mentally capable" of being president? Oh, none.
45. "And this monster that was on stage with Mike Pence, who destroyed her last night by the way, but this monster, she says, no, no, there won't be fracking."
In which the president calls Kamala Harris, a California senator and the first woman of color on a major party ticket, a "monster" twice in the space of a single sentence.
46. "I'm making actually a play for the whole state. You know, I did well there."
Donald Trump isn't making a "play" to win New York in November. And he lost the Empire State by 22 points in 2016. So...
47. "I don't believe the polls because we've never had this much support. They have a vote thing, they have 5,000 votes. They have thousands of trucks all over the country."
"A vote thing?" "Thousands of trucks all over the country"? WHAAAAAAT.
48. "This country will go to hell, your taxes will double and triple and quadruple. Your stock markets will crash, we'll have a depression, the likes of which we've never seen before."
Yeah, this feels like a good place to end.
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Absolutely right Coss. 

This is a long listen but the guy from the Lincoln Project (Republicans who are anti Trump and what he represents.[10th minute to the 36th minute]  he hits it right on the head. And you are right about a constitutional scenario. They were close several years ago when almost 75 percent of governors were Republican. 

The country is done. Unless at some point it can change and it will take a life changing event. 1860, 25 percent of the country (south and parts of the midwest) believed it was okay to own other humans. Western society had long ended it s generation prior (France, England gave up its slave colonies from the early 1800s to 1830s). No modern (at the time) enlightened country can continue like that and it resulted in a civil war. 

Same with the woman's suffrage movement, early 1900s. You can't be a modern, enlightened society with more than 50 percent of your population unable to have a voice. 500 years prior, a 1000 years prior, yes, globally, those aforementioned things were open and accepted. Society was still improving itself and ultimately you progress to a society (still in transition trying to improve itself), like NZ, Germany, Sweden, etc. Not perfect but also knows its imperfect and tries to move improved. There are issues that will be seen as important as the first two I mentioned, maybe climate change, maybe the concept of war, maybe the concept of religion, something, will also be seen as an existential issue that society will come to loggerheads over and it will be fought intellectually, or hopefully not physically, to resolve. 


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...and the debate...Harris vs Pence, which Pence clearly won!!!

Last night in Salt Lake City, Vice President Mike Pence fracked Democrat Socialist Kamala Harris. Pence was calm, cool, and collected as he drilled Harris and broke through her human shield, "moderator" Susan Page.

Harris on the other hand was evasive, duplicitous, confused, harried, and lie-prone...that is, when she was not disavowing the Harris/Biden base by promising not eliminate fracking, prompting AOC to Tweet that fracking is bad, absolutely. Not good to spank your supporters. Refusing to answer whether or not she and her co-President would pack the Supreme Court, the answer is obviously a clear, YES!

Harris tried to make the false and laughable claim that she and Sleepy would not raise taxes, and Pence pounced, retorting that Biden has already clearly stated he would reverse the Trump tax decreases...eliminating a decrease results in an increase, even Willie Brown should have taught Harris that fact.

The Harris/Biden Hidenburg just crashed on the deck of the already listing Titanic, under lock-down. Not enough life rafts on this one either. Abandon ship. Thanks Dr. Corsi!!!

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