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I can't let that go. I think I told you before Hugh I am liberal in some ways and conservative in others. Mainly I appreciate honesty. I think there has always been an element of socialism in America. Call it government spending on social services, roads, police, education or helping out your neighbours. But I agree it's become more polarized. All I see from your beloved Tea Party is anger at the changes.

 

It just took me about 10 minutes to post that so do me a favor and leave out the personal stuff.

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I can't let that go. I think I told you before Hugh I am liberal in some ways and conservative in others. Mainly I appreciate honesty. I think there has always been an element of socialism in America. Call it government spending on social services, roads, police, education or helping out your neighbours. But I agree it's become more polarized. All I see from your beloved Tea Party is anger at the changes.

 

It just took me about 10 minutes to post that so do me a favor and leave out the personal stuff.

 

 

When towns and cities were formed in the 'Wild West, one of the first socialist programs they implemented was hiring the town marshal/chief of police. Most people could understand the wisdom of doing this.

 

Shortly afterwards the towns hired a tax collector to make sure the money was coming in.

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Typical "lefty" generalizations which typically ignores that the US became a world power and one of the most influential nations on the planet in less than 200 years of existence WITHOUT socialist bullshit.

 

FYI, the social, economic, and educational problems did not begin in the USA until the left became popular. For instance, the concept of "social promotion" in schools. Oh, heavens, Johnny will feel bad if he doesn't get to be promoted to 4th grade when 98% of his classmates are. So promote Johnny for "social" reasons, never mind that he can't add, subtract or read at his grade level. Can't find work in your neighborhood? Socialists say, never mind. Sit at home on your ass. We'll take money from your neighbors to pay your utilities, rent/mortgage payments, food, etc. The result is a bunch of people (millions and millions) who become dependent on the socialists taking money from others and giving it to them for the mere reason that they can fog a mirror. Really instills a work ethic, huh? And really makes others want to improve themselves when they know the socialists will take away what others have worked for. Socialism binds and enslaves. Socialism, generally, is evil.

 

 

HH

 

You are mixing very different things: lowered requirements for students - which of course have nothing to do with socialism - and a school system so bad that hundreds of thousands of Amercians can't read properly. Buy the way leading school systems in the world can be found in Scandinavia, especially in Finland, i. e. in countries which have historically very strong public social security/health care systems (and which are doing very well, even Germans emigrate to Scandinavia for well paid jobs.)

 

Actually the definition of socialism of the US right has absolutely nothing to do with real Socialism. I am sorry to say, but you have no idea what you are talking about. Half of Germany was a socialist state for almost half of a century. The USA hasn't even partly to do anything with is. Among the industrialized countries the USA has the most capitalist and brutal darwinist system, with an almost complete disregard for the lower class, controlled by an incestious elite.** Sometimes I wonder if Thailand is so much worse.

 

It is interesting to see that ALL planned cuts are at the expense of the lower and middle class while the GOP even defeated closing loopholes and tax havens for the rich. Koch Industries, Wall Street e.g. virtually own 80% of the GOP candidates. They only do not control the Tea Party radicals and now they pay for it with falling stocks, e.g.

 

 

 

**It was funny so see how in the beginning Obama tried to appoint people, independent of high finance/K-Street/multinationals, for high ranking positions in the Government. The trouble was that 99% of them were already in bed with them in various positions (pun intended). In the end he appointed advisors who had been lobbyists for and at the payroll of Wall Street since years.

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I can't let that go.

Good...there's life in that old cranium yet ! But if you insist on leaving, I hope it's just a year of hibernation until our next federal/Presidential election campaigning is in full swing.

 

It just took me about 10 minutes to post that so do me a favor and leave out the personal stuff.

 

Ah, nothing personal CW. But when one posts opinions which are personal, I guess any comment on those opinions must could be taken personally,eh? Perhaps you could paraphrase how I might have responded less "personally". :dunno:

 

HH

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Representative Gabrielle Giffords from Arizona got a long standing ovation as she arrived to vote on the deficit mess.

 

Maybe her famous husband will run for office.

 

Both of them make an interesting pair.

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:doah:

You are mixing very different things: lowered requirements for students - which of course have nothing to do with socialism - and a school system so bad that hundreds of thousands of Amercians can't read properly. Buy the way leading school systems in the world can be found in Scandinavia, especially in Finland, i. e. in countries which have historically very strong public social security/health care systems (and which are doing very well, even Germans emigrate to Scandinavia for well paid jobs.)

 

I only noted education as being heavily influenced by "the left" and did not say "socialist".

 

Actually the definition of socialism of the US right has absolutely nothing to do with real Socialism.

 

To the extent that U.S. socialism is not as imbedded as in Europe, you are correct.

 

I am sorry to say, but you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

I sometimes wonder if that statement doesn't also apply to you.

 

... Among the industrialized countries the USA has the most capitalist and brutal darwinist system, with an almost complete disregard for the lower class, controlled by an incestious elite.** ...If you actually knew 5% of what you think you know about the U.S., you wouldn't say that.

 

It is interesting to see that ALL planned cuts are at the expense of the lower and middle class while the GOP even defeated closing loopholes and tax havens for the rich. Koch Industries, Wall Street e.g. virtually own 80% of the GOP candidates. They only do not control the Tea Party radicals and now they pay for it with falling stocks, e.g.

 

You seem to be ignorant of the costs involved (now and in the future of) continuing the socialists' never-ending hunger for "entitlements". Like I noted before, even if Obama's desire to raise taxes on the "rich", those increased taxes would only cover the deficit for about 10 days. :doah:

 

**It was funny so see how in the beginning Obama tried to appoint people, independent of high finance/K-Street/multinationals, for high ranking positions in the Government. ...

 

55555555555 Yeah, like Geithner, huh?

 

HH

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Ah, nothing personal CW. But when one posts opinions which are personal, I guess any comment on those opinions must could be taken personally,eh? Perhaps you could paraphrase how I might have responded less "personally".

HH

 

"And ANOTHER liberal finds the kitchen too hot!!! 55555555555555"

 

Yeah OK.....just a bit of bar banter...and I was frustrated trying to post. But I do find the level of political debate in the US kind of simplistic....especially on the internet. Don't know why I bother with it really.

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Gabby Giffords returns to Congress and helps House pass debt compromise

 

 

Just a day before the United States faces financial default, House lawmakers approved a compromise bill that will raise the nation's debt ceiling in exchange for trillions of dollars in federal spending cuts.

 

The bill, approved 269 to 161, will increase the debt ceiling by at least $2 trillion as well as cut roughly the same amount in federal spending over the next decade. The legislation was backed by a solid majority of Republicans and about half of the Democratic caucus. Sixty-six Republicans and 95 Democrats voted no.

 

Among the "yea" votes: Democratic Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, who appeared on the House floor for the first time since January, when she was shot and critically wounded at a congressional event in her Arizona district.

 

The legislation now heads to the Senate, where Majority Leader Harry Reid has said lawmakers will vote on the bill around noon on Tuesday.

 

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"People on the right are upset. People on the left are upset. People in the middle are upset," Reid told reporters Tuesday. "It was a compromise. It's not always easy for both sides to reach consensus. We did it on a bipartisan basis."

 

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More information ... blah, blah, blah

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