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"Nixon sought advice from senior Congressional leaders about a replacement. The advice was unanimous. 'We gave Nixon no choice but Ford' date='' House Speaker Carl Albert recalled later".[/quote']

 

This is partly correct, Haig was very worried about Ford as Nixon's lawyers wanted Nixon to resign, but Ford wasn't even VP yet, and was thought to make a bad Pres. But Connally, Nixon's first choice was decided against for obvious reasons, though would have been interesting. It took Haig a lot of pressure, as well as others to cancel Connally out of Nixon's mind.

 

Ford had been nominated, but it took over a month for congress to confirm.

 

If Nixon had resigned before Ford was confirmed, the next in line was the heavy drinking Carl Albert, a Democrat.

 

Funny huh - two Democrats almost "inherited" the top spots!

 

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Also, another Nixon factoid was that tax evasion was originally part of the impeachment articles against him. Republican congressmen successfully (and rightfully so) argued that his tax evasion was not an act he did from an abuse of Presidential power but an act he committed as Nixon the individual tax payer not the president. Impeachment is meant to be acts the President did by abusing the power of his office. The examples named bribe and treason give evidence to that.

 

Therefore, it was wrong to attempt to impeach Clinton of lying under oath in a civil matter when he lied under oath. In that deposition he was Clinton the individual and he was not acting on behalf of his office. Same with the reasons why the Congress didn't honor New Jersey's arrest warrant for VP Burr when he shot and killed the sitting Treasury Sect'y Hamilton in a duel in NJ. congress said Burr was acting on his own behalf and on his personal honor and was not representing the office of the VP when he had the duel. It was a civil criminal matter not a matter for the office.

 

Those two precedents should have exonerated Clinton from impeachment. The Clinton impeachment is not only unconstitutional in fact and spirit it also sets a dangerous precedence. If a sitting VP or President commits any illegal wrongdoing while in office he can be impeached. Lets say he slaps his wife and is found to be guilty of spousal abuse. Its impeachable. If he has an outstanding traffic ticket that reaches warrant stage, that's now technically impeachable.

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Ir's interesting you raise Clinton. Looking at taping, Nixon was doing what Kennedy and Johnson had done as well, if not to a greater degree.

 

Nixon was a fascinating President, he introduced many ground breaking legislation's, but his "watergate" destroyed his chances of continuing his early successes.

 

I wonder in a way of Clinton's charges where "revenge" for Nixon's?

 

Both had been ground breaking, both presidencies crippled by basically bogus charges,

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Have you read or seen David Frost's interviews with Nixon? Much to his surprise, Frost came away convinced that Nixon was the most intelligent man ever to occupy the White House. Unfortunately, he was also seriously flawed.

 

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Ir's interesting you raise Clinton. Looking at taping, Nixon was doing what Kennedy and Johnson had done as well, if not to a greater degree.

 

Nixon was a fascinating President, he introduced many ground breaking legislation's, but his "watergate" destroyed his chances of continuing his early successes.

 

I wonder in a way of Clinton's charges where "revenge" for Nixon's?

 

Both had been ground breaking, both presidencies crippled by basically bogus charges,

 

It was said that the Nixon political strategy was to be far right in the primaries. This was to not only win but to solidify your base.

 

Then go centrist in the general election, this would take away the idependent and middle from your oponent and then govern to the left of center.

 

His presidency was exactly that. He built up himself as a staunch conservative and anti communist in his career but as presidency he did a lot left of center and even far left of center things that were way ahead of his time.

 

Only a staunch anti communist could go to red China. There are a bunch of legislation that was considered far left back then. For example, endangered species act was considered a hippie legislation. A pro business politiican would never sign legislation that made it law to have access for the physically impaired. Which Nixon signed. There are a few others as well that were far left for his time. Including taking us off the gold standard.

 

Clinton did the same. He governed as a centrist or right of center. Only a person seen as liberal and pro minority could pull off the changes to social welfare.

 

He had personal flaws and usually that is enough to kill a politician but not him and there was nothing the Republicans could do to stop him. The economy was raging forward and no one cared about his personal life. At the time people didn't want impeachment and the voting reflected that.

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Bush job approval rating higher than Obama's

 

 

George W. Bush’s job approval rating as president has spiked to 47 percent, according to a Gallup poll released Monday.

 

That’s 1 point higher than President Barack Obama’s job approval rating in a poll taken the same week.

 

This is the first time Gallup asked Americans to retrospectively rate Bush’s job performance. And it was a stunning turnaround from his low point of 25 percent in November 2008. The 47 percent number is 13 points higher than the last Gallup poll taken before Bush left office in 2009 and the highest rating for him since before Hurricane Katrina in 2005.

 

[color:red]Still, Bush’s 51 percent disapproval rating means he’s only one of two U.S. presidents in the past 50 years whose disapproval exceeds approval. The other is Richard Nixon, who resigned in disgrace 36 years ago and whose approval rating stands at 29 percent. [/color]

 

Obama’s stumbles and dimming public memories of Bush’s shortcomings appear to be helping fuel the more positive reassessment of him. And, in recent weeks, Bush’s tour to promote his new memoir, “Decision Points,†and the groundbreaking of his new library in Dallas have generated mostly positive press.

 

Bush’s 47 percent approval rating also raises serious questions about the wisdom of the White House’s decision to relentlessly attack him in the months before the Democrats’ historic losses in the midterm elections. The president had kept warning a House Republican majority would return to Bush-era policies. But Obama’s message did little to galvanize the liberal base, and independents flocked to the GOP on Election Day.

 

Bush’s rebound gives some credence to what he has long said  that history will eventually judge his presidency.

 

One of his role models is Harry Truman, who left office deeply unpopular but now gets credit for laying the groundwork to fight the Cold War. Bush sees parallels with his own efforts in the early days of the global war on terror.

 

Gallup also polled on the eight other presidents in the past 50 years, asking: “From what you have heard, read, or remember about some of our past presidents, please tell me if you approve or disapprove of the way each of the following handled their job as president.â€Â

 

To prevent respondents from getting Bush, the 43rd president, confused with his father  George H.W. Bush, the 41st president  the pollsters added that Bush was president from 2001 to 2009.

 

[color:red]John F. Kennedy remains the most popular modern president, with 85 percent of those surveyed saying they approved of his job performance. Ronald Reagan’s job approval was 74 percent. And Bill Clinton’s was 69 percent, up from 61 percent in 2006.[/color]

 

The poll was conducted Nov. 19-21 with a random sample of 1,037 adults. The margin of error is plus or minus 4 percentage points.

 

 

 

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Who's the Most Popular Modern President?

 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/atlantic/20101206/cm_atlantic/whosthemostpopularmodernpresident6068

 

According to a new Gallup survey, President John F. Kennedy remains the highest-rated president in modern history. President Ronald Reagan came in second with a 74% approval rating while Richard Nixon remained last with 29%. The survey, published Monday, asked Americans "whether they approve or disapprove of how each [president] handled his job in office." Here are four takeaways from the new poll:...

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Interesting. Kennedy was a rock star (posthumous, like the band Sublime). Or maybe The Dead Kennedys. :p No surprise there.

 

Carter, IME, has improved his image through post-presidency humanitarian work, making people forget what a lousy job he did. GHB I have no qualms with, his stock deserved to rise. GWB? Despite what he says, I trust historians will take a massive dump on him in due course. :up: Slick Willy was so damned good his record can't be tarnished, despite his best efforts. Reagan coming in at #2? I don't know how to explain that one. Maybe people are just plain stupid? :dunno:

 

 

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Reagan #2? Ya, just stupid. Second worst POTUS after W. And a racist cunt. FFS, he kicked off his national campaign in Philadelphia, Mississippi -- does anyone actually think that was a "mistake" rather than a statement? And he's thoroughly to blame for the nutty wingnut Xtians entrenched in gummint now.

 

Carter a bad POTUS? Ya, just stupid. Look at GDP growth during tenure as an example. Add in Volcker and he's a genius.

 

Both results in the poll are prime example of the "right-wing noise machine" and little bearing upon reality.

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Carter was a good prez? Maybe I need to do a bit of research. I'd like to believe so, I voted for him when I was eighteen* To be honest, I really only remember him for the Iran Hostage Crisis (and being generally weak on foreign policy). But his reaction might have just been a reflection of American attitudes, post-Vietnam.

 

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What a cool song! It made 11 years olds like myself yearn to be a fucked up 18 year old. :grinyes:

 

 

 

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