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Seemingly, the Cambos opened fire with artillery - though the Thai commander says it may have been unintentional. Uh ... you just sort of fire artillery rounds near your border for the fun of it? Nine Thai villages evacuated near the area. The disputed area is just empty jungle next to the temple ruins, at least it was empty until the Cambodians decided to build a temple and houses in it ... presumably to strengthen their claim. You have to climb up a tall cliff to get to the site from Cambodia. It is certainly not worth anyone dying over.

 

 

p.s. The temple ruins were in Sisaket province, until the World Court majority decided otherwise.

 

 

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Hun Sen has been pushing it - first with a marker insulting the Thais on the disputed land and now flying the Cambodian flag over a temple the Cambos built on the land. Abhisit has been trying to keep it cool, but Wun Sen won't and neither will the PAD-ies.

 

Abhisit should launch air strikes against both Wun Sen and the Pads. :hmmm:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hmmm...it is technically in Cambodia,and that flag has flown there for years, before all this crap started. KPV, was previously guarded by 1 drunken Cambodian soldier. It seems it wasn't much of an issue for the Thais, until the "neo nationalist" movement kicked up and then all hell went forth.

 

 

"...p.s. The temple ruins were in Sisaket province, until the World Court majority decided otherwise..."

 

Again my point. This is Cambodian soil as decided by the world court. Granted the frogs may have used a fraudulent map to prove the point, but the Thais didn't do a very good job of preparing or defending there case, relied on the common sense of the world court and a verbal claim of water sheds? Or so history has it. No one gave a shit for how many years?

 

Seems to me, the once and for all answer might be in going to the world court again, and presenting a better case. Seems the previous fraudulent map/claims put forth by the frogs might be a legitimate basis for doing so?

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Seemingly, the Cambos opened fire with artillery - though the Thai commander says it may have been unintentional. Uh ... you just sort of fire artillery rounds near your border for the fun of it?

 

If have exclusive footage which clearly shows that is was unintentional.

 

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[color:red]<< Hmmm...it is technically in Cambodia,and that flag has flown there for years >>[/color]

 

Do you read anything I post?

 

[color:blue]THEY ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE FLAG AT THE HINDU TEMPLE.[/color] They are talking about a flag over some mickey mouse Buddhist temple the Cambos stuck together out of scrap lumber on the disputed land near the temple. It had a Buddhist flag flying, but the Cambos recently changed it to a Cambodian flag. (See map and note where the fighting happened too.) :banghead:

 

 

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Two die in Cambodia clash

 

 

An uneasy ceasefire was holding at the border with Cambodia after fierce fighting left two dead and resulted in the capture of five Thai rangers.

 

The two-hour clash between Thai and Cambodian troops near Phu Ma Khua area of Si Sa Ket yesterday killed at least two people - one Thai villager and one Cambodian soldier - and left several people injured.

 

Troops in nearby border provinces were placed on high alert as the capture of the five Thai rangers raised fears that the conflict could widen.

 

The five soldiers, who were based near Cambodia's Keo Sikha Kiri Savara pagoda, were detained by Cambodian troops.

 

The fighting included artillery exchanges and small arms fire, and partially destroyed communities on Thai soil.

 

The cross-border flare-up erupted about 3.15pm, a few hours after Foreign Minister Kasit Piromya and his Cambodian counterpart Hor Namhong met in Siem Reap and pledged to avoid violence in resolving border disputes.

 

Cambodian Information Minister Khieu Kanharith claimed the fighting erupted when Thai troops ignored warnings to stop crossing into its territory.

 

He said the Cambodians shot into the air and the Thai soldiers returned fire.

 

But Thailand disputed that account.

 

Army spokesman Sansern Kaewkamnerd said the clash was triggered by artillery rounds from the Cambodian side that fell on Thai territory.

 

"Cambodia didn't stop and started firing. We had to return fire," said Col Sansern shortly before the ceasefire.

 

[color:red]Cambodia's artillery shells landed at Ban Non Chaeng and Ban Phum Saron villages, setting fire to four houses.[/color]

 

[color:red]Charoen Pahom, a resident of Ban Phum Saron, was killed by artillery shells. Thai troops responded with heavy fire.[/color]

 

In Cambodia, privately owned Bayon TV reported that one Cambodian soldier was killed and five were wounded.

 

[color:red]Shelling also damaged the roof of Ban Phum Saron school and the office of the tambon Sao Thong Chai administrative organisation. It also set part of the Keo Sikha Kiri Savara "pagoda" on fire.[/color]

 

Army commander Prayuth Chan-ocha said last night the shelling had now ceased and both sides are maintaining their positions.

 

[color:blue]Second Army Commander Lt Gen Thawatchai Samutsakhon, who is in charge of the border area, said: 'I don't want to say who started it because it will only prolong the issue. Let's say we both are doing what we're supposed to do."[/color]

 

Gen Prayuth said the fresh violence is likely to affect the World Heritage Committee's meeting called for June to discuss the development plan for the Preah Vihear temple, which is close to where the clash occurred.

 

Foreign Minister Kasit said the ministry will send a letter to Unesco and its member countries today calling on them to suspend any work involving the Thai-Cambodian border because any actions could intensify the conflict.

 

Mr Kasit said he held talks with senior Cambodian authorities after the clashes broke out, and both sides agreed to stop fighting.

 

'Both sides have agreed that we will try our best to avoid creating problems, but when a problem occurs, we have to end it as soon as possible," he said.

 

An army source said reinforcements of three battalions and heavy arms would be sent to the 4.6 square kilometre disputed area at the border. About 3,000 troops were deployed before the flare-up.

 

A source in the border area said the army's construction of a route and a bridge across a brook east of Pha Mor E-Daeng cliff has upset Cambodia.

 

Thai troops entered the area around noon yesterday.

 

Cambodia has claimed the area is in its territory and told the army to halt work, said the source.

 

The source said Cambodia is concerned that the route and the bridge will provide the Thai army with access to the Keo Sikha Kiri Savara pagoda and other sensitive areas.

 

The source said the area is part of the disputed territory and that Thai troops had occupied the area previously, but withdrew on Dec 1 last year.

 

According to the source, Cambodia had proceeded with construction of a 3.6-kilometre access road to Preah Vihear temple despite protests from Thailand that the work intruded on Thai soil.

 

Cambodian Defence Minister Tea Banh yesterday accused the Thai side of encroaching on Cambodian territory and violating an agreement.

 

An agreement reached by the Joint Boundary Commission states that construction cannot take place without a joint agreement.

 

"They [Thais] are saying that Cambodia started the shooting. We shouldn't focus on who started it, but on who violated the agreement," he said.

 

[color:red]Thai army spokesman Col Sansern said the detention of the Thai soldiers might have stemmed from a misunderstanding.

 

"Those soldiers were sent to stand guard at a joint station with the Cambodians," he said.[/color]

 

 

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So you're talking about the flag at the Hindu temple...ok I get it... :neener::neener::neener:

 

But seriously, if it is as of now their land, they can put up all the cardboard Wats they want and fly the damned flag on it right? And every time they have these skirmishes, it seems the Thais get the worse end of it...or so we only hear. You'd think they'd either give it up, or try for a peaceful solution.

 

This is all just a bunch of political diversion.

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And once again ... :p

 

 

One Thai soldier killed in fresh fighting

 

 

One Thai soldier was killed in the second round of border fighting between Thai and Cambodia troops on Saturday morning.

 

Army spokesman Col Sansern Kaewkamnerd said that one soldier, Sergeant Wuthicharin Chartkamdee, was killed and four others injured in the gun-battle.

 

The new round of exchange of fire started at about 6.20am and ended about 7am, he added.

 

Lt Gen Thawatchai Samutsakorn, commander of Army Region 2, was holding talks with Lt Gen Jia Mon, commander of Cambodia's Army Region 4, to find ways to prevent future military clash, said Col Sansern.

 

 

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So you're talking about the flag at the Hindu temple...ok I get it... :neener::neener::neener:

 

[color:red]But seriously, if it is as of now their land, they can put up all the cardboard Wats they want and fly the damned flag on it right?[/color] And every time they have these skirmishes, it seems the Thais get the worse end of it...or so we only hear. You'd think they'd either give it up, or try for a peaceful solution.

 

This is all just a bunch of political diversion.

 

 

That's what is all about. The Thais say it is THEIR land. But if you look on the map, you can see it is north of the temple. The World Court gave the temple ruins to Sihanouk and nothing else. Nobody gave a damn about those 4.6 km of jungle, until Wun Sen decided to build a casino and wanted to use the ruins as a tourist attraction. He wants the disputed territory to build access to the ruin from Cambodia, and the Thais decided ... "Hey, wait a minute, that's on our side."

 

And yes, it is all for political diversion - but most increasingly by Wun Sen, who wants the Cambodians to ignore the fact that he lets Hanoi move border markers any time they want. When some Cambos protested about Vietnam seizing Cambodian land a few years ago, Wun Sen sent the army to shoot at the protestors and kill them. Think of Wun Sen as a warlord pretending to be a president. He makes the PAD folks look like nice guys. Every time Wun Sen needs a distraction, he picks that spot on the Thai border. Works every time too.

 

Jesus, I feel like I'm back in the Army, when as the operations sergeant I used to have to attend the CO's briefings and explain things to the commissioned dudes. :(

 

 

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Notice these are always "rangers" - the guys in the black shirts, not soldiers in sensible camouflage. They are "paramilitary" - used to be more or less a private militia, but got sort of incorporated into the Army. I get the feeling the Army doesn't really want to risk its own men, so it sends in the black shirts any time there's a chance of getting captured.

 

Apparently, these dudes were taking part in a joint Thai-Cambo post in the area. When the shooting started, the Cambo troops just turned their weapons on the black shirts and said "stick 'em up". :p

 

<< "Those soldiers were sent to stand guard at a joint station with the Cambodians," he said. >>

 

 

 

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