If We Had To Do Their Job ....

[Bangkoktraveler]

 

Finally, I've copped plenty on the board over the years for being a 'Thai apologist' when I do stumble across the 'whore with a heart of gold' or somesuch, and I dont agree with some of the malcontents who spew endless bile about the Thai people on various boards, but I can definitely see how the cynicism starts to kick in after a few extended stays. Getting 'the look' when a phone rings and one of the girls in your room starts telling her BF that she is 'at home, watch TV', being chased down a Soi by a knife-wielding nutjob - its all grist for the mill, but its also reality.

 

(Of the 10 or so girls who could have really screwed me over, only one has, but she did so over an extended period. I consider that a pretty good average)

 

 

I used to live in an apartment building and every once in a while would sit out on the balconey

and listen to the bullshit Thai ladies would dish out to their boyfriends. The best time was just before rent was due.

 

I lived once with a bar girl and she even promised to give me part of the loot from her boyfriend.

 

I lived another time with a freelancer and she would come up with all kind of stories to tell her

farang boyfriend. The dumbass never learned she was living with me.

Thais are a funny bunch.

[think_too_mut]

... The good news is that now I get to bore you and other T360ers witless with *my* stories, but the punchline is that I dont have a sick buffalo to support.....

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I can take it as a phrase describing endless requests for money, but has anyone actually ever heard that? The "sick buffallo" reason?

 

The emails are usually composed by the internet cafee staff who would know scams better than "sick buffallo". The girls (the nominal email senders) would hardly know to punch one line email even if they wanted to say about the buffallo.

 

Those who would, buffallos are not in their toolbox of cheats.

[gobbledonk]

I can take it as a phrase describing endless requests for money, but has anyone actually ever heard that? The "sick buffallo" reason?

 

The emails are usually composed by the internet cafee staff who would know scams better than "sick buffallo". The girls (the nominal email senders) would hardly know to punch one line email even if they wanted to say about the buffallo.

 

Those who would, buffallos are not in their toolbox of cheats.

 

'Sick buffalo' is a time-honored reference to the myriad of reasons why they need cash (and fast). In Ms CPs case, she had a sudden and desperate requirement for 30K baht, at a time when I was sending her 10K each month (yep, one of *those* idiots) on the understanding that she needed to keep working for the 10K to be anything more than 'pocket money'. I got everything from 'Papa sick' to 'Moo sick' - Moo being the housekeeper and the person who effectively had to raise her as a child. Eventually, I said 'Right, I'll give you 30K, but then nothing for the following 2 months'. 'OK - anything - papa sick !'. I have met Papa - he's old and may well have been sick - but I knew it was crap.

 

She then went out and spent the 30K on a birthday party at Tawan Daeng, sent me the photos of everyone having a wow of a time, and a request for another 10K to cover her rent. This was followed up by tears at midnight and all sorts of wailing until she realised she had killed the goose that laid the golden egg. I still get the occasional email, but its all pretty feeble - Stick is right : sponsorship just doesnt work. I had absolutely no problem with her working in the bar or giving BJs in alleyways - or having a Thai guy come over and periodically drill her, for that matter - but some people just dont realise when they have got it good. Imagine if you could line up a few suckers to send you 10K baht a month for nothing more than the odd email/photo of your smiling face - would you shit in that nest ??

[Flashermac]

I was out once upon a time with another PI type (wasn't Stickie) checking on a sponsored BG in a Patpong bar. The BG was wearing "civilian clothes" and just sat with her friends. She paid no attention to the customers in the bar and apparently was keeping her end of the bargain. He told me he'd watched her once before and it was the same. There are a few who do live up to the agreement, though I suspect they are easily in the minority.

[gobbledonk]

I was out once upon a time with another PI type (wasn't Stickie) checking on a sponsored BG in a Patpong bar. The BG was wearing "civilian clothes" and just sat with her friends. She paid no attention to the customers in the bar and apparently was keeping her end of the bargain. He told me he'd watched her once before and it was the same. There are a few who do live up to the agreement, though I suspect they are easily in the minority.

 

Agreed - at least two of her friends behave exactly as you describe, but it was never about whether she was having sex (with customers or recreationally) - I feel absolutely zero sexual jealousy with a working girl. It was the transparent request for money, and subsequent inability to understand the consequence of her actions. This isnt limited to Farang - Stick wrote about an ex-GF who was 'near perfect', except for her continuous attempts to extort more and more money from her (already generous) parents. It was this same child-like 'gimme !' mentality that was the nail in her coffin - blatantly screwing someone over in a manner which suggested she thought I really was the 'buffalo' the worst of the girls believe us to be. I played the fool for far too long, and she was very good at playing the sympathy card after I had seen where she was raised, but everyone has a breaking point.

[Bangkoktraveler]

I was out once upon a time with another PI type (wasn't Stickie) checking on a sponsored BG in a Patpong bar. The BG was wearing "civilian clothes" and just sat with her friends. She paid no attention to the customers in the bar and apparently was keeping her end of the bargain. He told me he'd watched her once before and it was the same. There are a few who do live up to the agreement, though I suspect they are easily in the minority.

 

 

I knew one big titted bar girl who fell hard for a farang. She worked in the bar but would only sell drinks. Her pussy was off limits.

Her farang boyfriend would not believe her.

After about 1 year she moved to a different bar and I guess restarted selling her pussy.

[bust]

Had a chat with a girl from BG7 acouple of weeks ago. Interestingly she said she lived by the fuck 'em and forget 'em rule. But every now and then she meets a customer who stays in her mind. For her they are the dangerous ones for her. Regardless of what we may thing they are normal girls.

[gobbledonk]

bust, I think they run the full gamut, from total psychos to 'normal' girls, cold/calculating bitches to impulsive dreamers. I don't disagree with Stick on the poisonous effect of long-term exposure to the bar industry. Its one thing for a part-timer to earn a little 'pocket money', another for a girl to sit, night after night, in a bar full of (mostly) broken people - its not hard to see why the odd White Knight could seem like a beacon.

 

Having been stupid enough to play that game once, I really appreciate the girls who can treat it as a business, albeit one where you have to be able to laugh with your customers. Those who aren't willing to do that would be better off working in the Thai sex industry, but obviously money talks. If my sources are correct, 'low season' seems to have become longer and deeper (even less male tourists, for longer periods) over the past 3 years, yet I've seen more girls on the Beach Road promenade and in the 'walk of shame' between Suk Soi 3 and Soi 7/1 on each successive trip : working in a bar or (wow..) go-go must seem like a cushy gig to many of those girls.

[Guest]

We spend a lot of time harpooning the girls for their many faults, and I'm not here to apologise for the antics of illiterate gals from upcountry. What I would do is pose an alternate universe:

 

Lets assume you are back in Farangland, somewhere in your mid-twenties, partying hard and generally not too concerned about 'the future'. You lose your job, think 'good riddance', but soon realise that being on the dole isn't much fun. You know a few guys who seem to be able to hang out at various pubs and clubs without a care in the world, and you give one of them a call.

 

He tells you 'Its easy - all you have to do is chat up a few old Russian tarts and they give you money and buy you drinks !'. Great - how hard could it be, right ? Just another night in a bar, but someone else is buying your drinks and you get a few dollars into the bargain - fantastic stuff.

 

By now, you can see where I'm going with this - how long would it be before you had zero respect for the Russian women (hey, its a Farang Pattaya, ok ?) who keep you in the style to which you want to become accustomed ? How long before you cant manage a smile, much less laughter, without getting completely shitfaced ? You still see some of the people you used to hang out with, but they don't want anything to do with you, and they particularly don't want anything to do with your new 'girlfriends'. The few that speak English are boring in the extreme, and it soon becomes clear that it would be a lot easier to take money from them than earn it the 'hard way'. Sure, they might keep sending you a few rubles when they get home, and you know you can line up a few more on the Net, but inevitably you find one who thinks she 'owns' you - fuck that, right ? What the hell would a young stud like yourself want with a 55-year old housefrau from St Petersburg ? Sure, I'll keep you warm on those long Winter nights, Natasha .....

 

I'm being pretty harsh on Russian women here, but I had to pick a single group to try to drive home my point - I just couldn't do the whole whore thing, even if it didn't involve sex : I just cant be nice to people I have no interest in spending time with. In many ways, the short-time specialists really have it nailed - maximum income for minimal 'face time' - but I can see how so many become hard after a very short period in the industry. Sure, they have to provide for their families, unlike my carefree example, but at what cost ?

 

Whatever lies beneath the veneer, in general the Thais do hospitality better than most, even if they have to fake it - in my case, I couldn't fake it without getting hammered every night, and that would make for a very short career in the nightlife industry. Just as well I have this trust fund to fall back on.

 

Well, I appreciate what you're trying to do here, but your analogy is flawed. In order to really be an accurate comparison, you would need to add these elements: 1) Imagine that we men in Farangland exist in an overwhelmingly oppressive, abusive culture in which our wives (and all women in society) regularly emotionally and physically abuse and debase us, and 2) We are brought up taught--no, brainwashed--that above all we must serve women and attend to their needs at all costs, we must always put their comfort and welfare above ours.

 

THEN you would have a situation equivalent to what goes on in Thailand.

 

This is something many of us don't like to think about...but it's an essential element in the paradise we call Thailand. If Thai women weren't treated as such utter dogshit by Thai males, the conditions which lead them to work in the sex industry would be missing an essential "push" factor. And if Thai women didn't have it so ingrained in them from an early age to serve men, to continually wait on them hand and foot, they would not be able to adapt to a life of fucking sweaty, huge farang males so easily.

 

It also helps that Thailand is one of the horniest, fuck-crazy societies on the planet...this also allows them to choose a path of sex work a lot more easily than women in Western society. Of course, not all women in the sex industry love to fuck...but my experience tells me that a huge percentage do. Like I said, they're Thai. You can stand anywhere in Bangkok (or any sizeable market town or provincial capital in the country) and draw a 1 km circle around where you're standing, and within that circle will be AT LEAST one "short time hotel". Those places are not primarily patronized by farangs, it's Thais fucking Thais: teenagers, married people having affairs, co-workers fucking, you name it.

[Guest]

Well, I appreciate what you're trying to do here, but your analogy is flawed. In order to really be an accurate comparison, you would need to add these elements: 1) Imagine that we men in Farangland exist in an overwhelmingly oppressive, abusive culture in which our wives (and all women in society) regularly emotionally and physically abuse and debase us, and 2) We are brought up taught--no, brainwashed--that above all we must serve women and attend to their needs at all costs, we must always put their comfort and welfare above ours.

 

THEN you would have a situation equivalent to what goes on in Thailand.

 

This is something many of us don't like to think about...but it's an essential element in the paradise we call Thailand. If Thai women weren't treated as such utter dogshit by Thai males, the conditions which lead them to work in the sex industry would be missing an essential "push" factor. And if Thai women didn't have it so ingrained in them from an early age to serve men, to continually wait on them hand and foot, they would not be able to adapt to a life of fucking sweaty, huge farang males so easily.

 

It also helps that Thailand is one of the horniest, fuck-crazy societies on the planet...this also allows them to choose a path of sex work a lot more easily than women in Western society. Of course, not all women in the sex industry love to fuck...but my experience tells me that a huge percentage do. Like I said, they're Thai. You can stand anywhere in Bangkok (or any sizeable market town or provincial capital in the country) and draw a 1 km circle around where you're standing, and within that circle will be AT LEAST one "short time hotel". Those places are not primarily patronized by farangs, it's Thais fucking Thais: teenagers, married people having affairs, co-workers fucking, you name it.

 

Another thing missing from the OP's scenario is this: the men in Farangland would need to be exposed to pussies starting at a very early age, be so used to being in the presence of exposed pussies to the point that we were totally desensitized to them.

 

This is another essential element in Thai women's reality: wherever men's dicks are hanging out, women are there: the doctor's office, the massage parlor, the public restroom (where the cleaning staff are always women, and always there while men have their dicks out). They're also exposed to them growing up as their cousins, uncles, and other boys in the village rape them (if you speak fluent Thai, and have enough drunken late-night conversations with the girls you take--especially, like me, if you regularly take two girls--you will realize how common this is). When they're mothers, they're always grabbing and playing with their sons' dicks. So when they enter the sex industry, being in the presence of dicks is really not that big a deal, and doesn't freak them out at all. It's not a sex work thing, it's a Thai thing.