cavanami Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 Look to history...what happens when the government takes away guns? Mostly bad things happen. In the USA the government is hell bent to "protect" the citizens and look what that has brought us and taken away from us... TSA groping children at airports Unconstitutional searches, without sufficient cause Drone airplanes spying on US citizens Unconstitutional wire taps...and on and on and on. Remember the short guy with the mustache in Germany some years back, what does history record of the actions he took...can you say, same-same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamui Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 Look to history...what happens when the government takes away guns? Mostly bad things happen. In the USA the government is hell bent to "protect" the citizens and look what that has brought us and taken away from us... TSA groping children at airports Unconstitutional searches, without sufficient cause Drone airplanes spying on US citizens Unconstitutional wire taps...and on and on and on. Remember the short guy with the mustache in Germany some years back, what does history record of the actions he took...can you say, same-same That's BS Cav and I guess you know it. TSA et al have absolutely nothing to do with gun ownership. As KS already said, you pro US gun guys don't have many rational arguments pro gun. It's really more like a religious/ideological thing. In regard to Hitler, it is terrible to say, but in the beginning the majority wanted him. Guns in private hands wouldn't have helped at all... PS: To compare drunk driving with killers using guns is BS as well. It's like the new US law which declares Pizza being vegetable for the sake of the US food industry. It's remarkable how much reality and facts are being in twisted in the US for the sake of special interest groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamui Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 I have a car that goes almost 200mph and gets 20 mpg at best. It has no practical purpose other than to go fast, burn gas, and cost a shit ton to maintain. Cars and trucks kill more people in the USA than guns and knives put together. So should we ban Ferraris, too? OK, let's stick to the car analogy: For to drive a car you need to be a of a certain age you need a drivers license for to show that you know the rules and are able to operate it you need insurance in case of an accident the car is locked against unauthorized used. the car has additional security, in case someone found a way to circumvent the lock. the car has savety belts and airbags for to protect the driver as well as other people in the car the cars have special designed bumpers e.g. for to lower the force of impact in case of a crash with another car or hitting a pedestrian Now look at guns, which, when used outside sports or hunting, are used to harm and kill people Nevertheless that assume that guns are _absolutely_ necessary for to protect yourself from harm (a view obviously mostly shared by Americans and people living in tribal areas/war zones): Why isn't there a mandatory gun shooting license? Why isn't there a mandatory gun liability insurance? Since having a gun at home greatly increases the risk of causing harm to other people (strangers and family members alike) why don't have guns a mandatory lock, like a finger print reader? (which could unlock a gun in a second...) And don't tell that this is against your freedom. The USA has so many rules, restrictions and taboos, used against smoking, drinking in public spaces, bathing topless on beaches, serving too hot coffee (with millions in insurance claims) e.g. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Munchmaster Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 Aurora shooting: Colorado gun sales up after cinema killings The number of people seeking to buy guns in Colorado has soared since last week's mass shooting in the US state's town of Aurora, say law officials. In the three days after the shooting, applications for the background checks needed to buy a gun legally were up 43% on the previous week. Law fears According to data released by the Colorado Bureau of Investigations, 880 people applied for the state-approved background checks on Friday, 13 July, days before the shooting. On Friday, 29 July, the day following the shooting, the number was 1,216, and on the Saturday, 1,243. In total, 2,887 people were approved to buy a gun over the weekend, an increase of 43.5% on the weekend before, said the bureau. The bureau's figures cannot confirm how many people then bought a firearm, but gun shop owners also reported a rise in sales. Dick Rutan, owner of Gunners Den in the Colorado town of Arvada, said sales were "off the hook". "What they're saying is, 'they want to have a chance'," he told the Denver Post. "They want to have the ability to protect themselves and their families if they are in a situation like what happened in the movie theatre." An employee at Mr Baker's shop, Jake Meyers, said there had been up to 20 people waiting outside when he arrived at work on the day after the shooting. "A lot of it is people saying, 'I didn't think I needed a gun, but now I do'," the Denver Post quoted him as saying. "When it happens in your backyard, people start reassessing, 'Hey, I go to the movies'." Brandon Baker, who owns the Rocky Mountain Guns & Ammo in the town of Park, only 15 miles (24km) from Aurora said his sales had gone up, as had requests for firearms training. The Associated Press news agency said sales were also up in other states, including Florida, which recorded a 14% rise from the previous week, and Oregon, where July's sales were up by 11% over June. Background checks in the days after the shooting were up 10% in Florida compared with the same period last month. Election issue Law officials said gun sales have in the past had risen after significant events, including the election of President Barack Obama and the shooting in Arizona which killed six people and injured Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords in January 2011. This is often attributed to fears that a mass killing could prompt the government to reconsider the Second Amendment to the US constitution, which gives people the right to bear arms. A small group of Democratic lawmakers in Washington renewed calls on Tuesday to ban high-capacity gun magazines. But there is little expectation that gun control will be addressed by politicians in the run-up to November's presidential election. Mr Holmes is due to be charged next week. The judge in his case has ruled that cameras will not be allowed into the hearing. It follows a requests to the media by some of the victims' family members that they avoid using the suspect's name and his photos. On Monday, he appeared dazed in court, prompting speculation about his mental state. Twenty of the people he wounded remained in hospital on Tuesday, including six in critical condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamui Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 Yellow journalism...... not true. If the sale is a private sale, that is true but at a gun show virtually all of the guns being sold are by dealers. Rossen Reports: Anyone can buy guns, no questions asked Legal loophole permits weapons powerful enough to down aircraft to be sold without checks Some say it’s a major loophole in the law. At gun stores, you have to get a background check before you can buy a weapon. But online in most states, anyone from law-abiding citizens to dangerous criminals – even terrorists – can get just about any weapon they want, no questions asked. Our hidden camera investigation shows the deals going down in broad daylight, in suburban mall parking lots. Hundreds of thousands of guns are for sale, on hundreds of websites. We responded and set up meetings at popular shopping malls. We bought everything from a police-grade pistol to a semiautomatic assault rifle. We did it over and over again, even hinting that our buyer is a criminal. Within 12 hours, we bought eight dangerous guns – even a 50-caliber weapon so powerful it could take down a helicopter. TODAY Jeff Rossen questions a gun seller. Remember, at gun stores, background checks are required, but online – nothing. Believe it or not, in most states it’s completely legal. ‘A bazaar for criminals’ NBC News hired Steve Barborini, a former supervisor for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, to help with our investigation. Barborini said that the online sales loophole permits what he called “a weapons bazaar for criminals. There’s no background check: Anybody that has a murder conviction can simply log on, email someone, meet ’em in a parking lot, and buy a freaking AK-47.†.... http://today.msnbc.m...d/#.UA_OBzE0P7o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lazyphil Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 KAMUI i believe is ignoring me but to ever else look at responsible booze use.....its enjoyable and hurts nobody. same same responsible gun use/ownership. look at irresponsible booze use. innocent senseless death by drunk driving. lots of them. breaks up familys. domestic violence. street violence. fights, attacks on innocents with broken bottles etc etc etc huge expense to non drinking tax payers (health serice). millions wasted by lost days at work. irresponsible gun use. well look at colorado. its as ugly as the booze. answer (to the anti gun people), ban booze as well as guns? i can live without guns and booze, but why should i deny RESPONSIBLE users or owners of booze or guns????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Munchmaster Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 ...irresponsible gun use. well look at colorado. its as ugly as the booze... Are you really suggesting that the guy who carried out the premeditated murder of all these people was merely being "irresponsible" with his gun(s)?! Sounds like you need a drink LP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lazyphil Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 you are missing my point. getting killed by a drunk driver is as senseless as being killed by a gun nut (intent is utterly irelevent if your a dead victim of either). both guns and booze serve no betterment to society but are enjoyed by millions or responsible owners and users. lets ban everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamui Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 you are missing my point. getting killed by a drunk driver is as senseless as being killed by a gun nut (intent is utterly irelevent if your a dead victim of either). both guns and booze serve no betterment to society but are enjoyed by millions or responsible owners and users. lets ban everything. Actually there is huge difference. As I wrote before: driving is highly regulated. If you don't want to ban guns, why don't regulate it with common sense? ALL sales with background check (see my post above about un-checked internet sales) Banning of all aussault weapons and certain kinds of ammunition (as it was under GWB) Locks on guns Central gun registry With these rules the Batman movie killer neither would killed and wounded much less people, nor would thousands of assault weapons be smuggled to Mexico each years. By the way, currently even people on the US terrorist list can buy guns, thanks to the NRA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allistar Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 As the shooter in Colorado had booby trapped his apartment with explosives, could the same happen in Europe? In other words, can these explosive devises (gas, gunpowder, etc.) be bought easily and should they all be heavily regulated or banned? Should gun sales be banned from those segments of society that commit most of the crimes in the U.S., those that are less educated and poorer? Unfortunately, the Colorado shooter doesn't fit into those categories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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