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Interesting story flash - had read about it years back but this article puts a bit more info on the table

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Red Army troops raped even Russian women as they freed them from camps

 

 

THE Red Army's orgy of rape in the dying days of Nazi Germany was conducted on a much greater scale than previously suspected, according to a new book by the military historian Anthony Beevor.

 

Beevor, the author of the best-selling Stalingrad, says advancing Soviet troops raped large numbers of Russian and Polish women held in concentration camps, as well as millions of Germans.

 

The extent of the Red Army's indiscipline and depravity emerged as the author studied Soviet archives for his forthcoming book Berlin, to be published in April by Viking.

 

Beevor - who was educated at Sandhurst and served in the 11th Hussars (Prince Albert's Own), an elite cavalry regiment - says details of the Soviet soldiers' behaviour have forced him to revise his view of human nature.

 

"Having always in the past slightly pooh-poohed the idea that most men are potential rapists, I had to come to the conclusion that if there is a lack of army discipline, most men with a weapon, dehumanised by living through two or three years of war, do become potential rapists," he told The Bookseller.

He appears to echo the American feminist Marilyn French's notorious claim that "in their relations with women, all men are rapists, and that's all they are".

 

Any such resemblance is, however, superficial. Beevor is careful to qualify any suggestion that what happened from 1944 onwards is in any way typical of male behaviour in peacetime. But he admits that he was "shaken to the core" to discover that Russian and Polish women and girls liberated from concentration camps were also violated.

 

"That completely undermined the notion that the soldiers were using rape as a form of revenge against the Germans," he said.

 

"By the time the Russians reached Berlin, soldiers were regarding women almost as carnal booty; they felt because they were liberating Europe they could behave as they pleased. That is very frightening, because one starts to realise that civilisation is terribly superficial and the facade can be stripped away in a very short time."

 

Beevor's high reputation as a historian ensures that his claims will be taken seriously. Stalingrad was widely praised and awarded the prestigious Samuel Johnson Prize, the Wolfson Prize for History and the Hawthornden Prize.

 

His account of the siege of Berlin, however, promises to be more controversial. "In many ways the fate of the women and the girls in Berlin is far worse than that of the soldiers starving and suffering in Stalingrad."

 

To understand why the rape of Germany was so uniquely terrible, the context is essential. Operation Barbarossa, the Nazi invasion of Russia in 1941, began the most genocidal conflict in history. Perhaps 30 million inhabitants of the Soviet Union are now thought to have died during the war, including more than three million who were deliberately starved in German PoW camps.

 

The Germans, having shown no quarter, could expect none in return. Their casualties were also on a vast scale. In the Battle of Berlin alone more than a million German soldiers were killed or died later in captivity, plus at least 100,000 civilians. The Soviet Union lost more than 300,000 men.

 

Against this horrific background, Stalin and his commanders condoned or even justified rape, not only against Germans but also their allies in Hungary, Romania and Croatia. When the Yugoslav Communist Milovan Djilas protested to Stalin, the dictator exploded: "Can't he understand it if a soldier who has crossed thousands of kilometres through blood and fire and death has fun with a woman or takes some trifle?"

 

And when German Communists warned him that the rapes were turning the population against them, Stalin fumed: "I will not allow anyone to drag the reputation of the Red Army in the mud."

 

The rapes had begun as soon as the Red Army entered East Prussia and Silesia in 1944. In many towns and villages every female, aged from 10 to 80, was raped. Alexander Solzhenitsyn, the Nobel laureate who was then a young officer, described the horror in his narrative poem Prussian Nights: "The little daughter's on the mattress,/Dead. How many have been on it/A platoon, a company perhaps?"

 

But Solzhenitsyn was rare: most of his comrades regarded rape as legitimate. As the offensive struck deep into Germany, the orders of Marshal Zhukov, their commander, stated: "Woe to the land of the murderers. We will get a terrible revenge for everything."

 

By the time the Red Army reached Berlin its reputation, reinforced by Nazi propaganda, had already terrified the population, many of whom fled. Though the hopeless struggle came to an end in May 1945, the ordeal of German women did not.

 

How many German women were raped? One can only guess, but a high proportion of at least 15 million women who either lived in the Soviet Union zone or were expelled from Germany's eastern provinces. The scale of rape is suggested by the fact that about two million women had illegal abortions every year between 1945 and 1948.

 

It was not until the winter of 1946-47 that the Soviet authorities, concerned by the spread of disease, imposed serious penalties on their forces in East Germany for fraternising with the enemy.

 

Soviet soldiers saw rape, often carried out in front of a woman's husband and family, as an appropriate way of humiliating the Germans, who had treated Slavs as an inferior race with whom sexual relations were discouraged. Russia's patriarchal society and the habit of binge-drinking were also factors, but more important was resentment at the discovery of Germany's comparative wealth.

 

The fact, highlighted by Beevor, that Soviet troops raped not only Germans but also their victims, recently liberated from concentration camps, suggests that the sexual violence was often indiscriminate, although far fewer Russian or Polish women were raped when their areas were liberated compared to the conquered Germans.

 

Jews, however, were not necessarily regarded by Soviet troops as fellow victims of the Nazis. The Soviet commissars had commandeered German concentration camps in order to incarcerate their own political prisoners, who included "class enemies" as well as Nazi officials, and their attitude towards the previous inmates was, to say the least, unsentimental.

 

As for the millions of Russian prisoners or slave workers who survived the Nazis: those who were not executed as traitors or sent to the Gulag could count themselves lucky. The women among them were probably treated no better than the Germans, perhaps worse.

 

The rape of Germany left a bitter legacy. It contributed to the unpopularity of the East German communist regime and its consequent reliance on the Stasi secret police. The victims themselves were permanently traumatised: women of the wartime generation still refer to the Red Army war memorial in Berlin as "the Tomb of the Unknown Rapist".

 

The Telegraph

 

 

Good topic in it's own right.

Don't forget to mention what the Germans did in Poland and Russia long before this.

War is Hell, alright.

 

Just don't forget what Republican candidate Todd Akins actually said.

He and others actually believe this stuff.

He'll make a darn good Republican senator, right?

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I see a poll question above here about some idiot senator candidate.

 

The choices, though, are somewhat ambidextrous.

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GOP rejects rape exception in platform

By: James Hohmann

August 21, 2012 01:20 PM EDT

 

TAMPA, Fla. — Even as Mitt Romney sought to quash the furor surrounding Todd Akin’s “legitimate†rape comments, the Republican platform committee here approved an abortion plank that includes no exemptions for rape, incest or even to save the life of the mother.

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The platform committee instead approved draft language Tuesday, calling for a “Human Life Amendment†that gives legal protection to the unborn. Democrats quickly labeled the GOP language the “Akin Plank,†referring to the Missouri Senate candidate’s statements that victims of “legitimate rape†rarely get pregnant.

 

On Tuesday, not one of the 100-plus members on the GOP platform committee introduced amendments. They kept the identical language from 2004 and 2008.

 

“I appreciate the good work that that committee did — in past platforms that has been hours of discussion — and I applaud the committee’s work in affirming our respect for human life,†said Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell, the chairman of the platform committee. “Well done.â€

 

The language approved Tuesday endorses legislation that would say the 14th amendment applies after conception and that would oppose using public funds to pay for abortions. It urges Congress to strengthen the Born Alive Infant Protection Act of 2002 by adding civil and criminal penalties for doctors who don’t adequately care for newborn babies. It supports a ban on sex-selective abortions. It also calls for mandatory waiting periods and parental consent requirements.

 

“We’re not touching it,†a GOP official told reporters at the Marriott here, referring to abortion exemptions. “We’re literally saying this is 100 percent pro-life language. We’re going to leave the granular details to the states.â€

 

Democratic groups and the Obama campaign plan to use the platform against Republican candidates, forcing them to distance themselves from the document. The Democratic National Committee quickly labeled what Republicans passed as the “Akin Plank.â€

 

“Republicans are hellbent on turning back the clock for women in America — today they’ll vote to make government force a woman impregnated during a rape to carry that pregnancy to term,†EMILY’s List President Stephanie Schriock said in a statement. “The days of small government are long gone in the GOP.â€

 

Romney’s campaign announced Sunday that the former Massachusetts governor would not oppose abortion in instances of rape.

 

Earlier Tuesday, Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus defended the platform’s language.

 

“This is the platform of the Republican party,†he said. “It is not the platform of Mitt Romney.â€

 

The abortion section also applauds adult stem-cell research but opposes federal funding of embryonic stem-cell research.

http://www.politico....9945.html?hp=l4

 

 

 

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Sounds like the Republican party isn't going along with what Mitt Romney believes in as far as abortions.

 

By the way, today was the deadline for Akin to drop out and for the GOP filing an alternative candidate. Akin withstood the extreme pressure from the GOP (they even threatened to withdrew 5 mio USD of funding).

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By the way, today was the deadline for Akin to drop out and for the GOP filing an alternative candidate. Akin withstood the extreme pressure from the GOP (they even threatened to withdrew 5 mio USD of funding).

 

The conservatives are an interesting bunch.

Comedy central.

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"... they felt because they were liberating Europe they could behave as they pleased. That is very frightening, because one starts to realise that civilisation is terribly superficial and the facade can be stripped away in a very short time."

One wonders, why people think that civilization, is anything but, superficial...

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The last poll done for the Missouri Senate race was Monday night. Akins led 44% to 43%. With little money to campaign with, we will see if that lead lasts.

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The last poll done for the Missouri Senate race was Monday night. Akins led 44% to 43%. With little money to campaign with, we will see if that lead lasts.

 

 

The Conservative suitcases will show up.

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