Gadfly Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 so in either way the custody battle is decided and whether Thai authorities intervene or not, take away the kid from the killer family or leave it, the kid remains a victim! The child is absolutely a victim either way. But now he is being manipulated by the killer's family for advantage. Imagine what sort of life he can expect if they raise him? Wendella was right: the killer's mom should be ordered to turn over the kid and, if she does not, she goes to jail. Remember she participated in the murder. When you look at all the other fact here (e.g., admissions, car with a bullet hole through the front window, the killer making a hand notice across the throat), is she really necessary as a state witness? Or is there some other reason she was not charged? Obviously the child would be far better off not being raised by this murderous Thai family. And that will mean he likely grows up outside of Thailand. Will the Thai justice system allows this? Or is this just too big of a loss of face for Thailand? The family here are monsters. They killed the child's father for money and then used the child as a pawn. This Thai family cannot be trusted to raise the child and he would be much better off living abroad and raised by the deceased's family. A fair description of the situation, but a big smack to the collective Thai face and image of themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallenda Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 Unless they transported the kid wrapped up in a blanket and have him locked in a dungeon, they should be able to locate him, it just takes a reasonably competent detective to do it. How big can their famliy be. And who outside their family is going to be willing to stick their neck out for them and get involved in a mess like this one? And they have to hire a good lawyer to deal with the courts. And they need to get their government involved. And they should alert the media. Germany has tabloids, and Brits would lap this one up. I'd read it. An angle I don't hear any one talking about, how would they be able to claim an inheritance in circumstances like this when the money is outside Thailand? That will obviously be disputed and go to a court in a real country, where Grandma showing up as an obvious murder suspect, with the child still 'missing', isn't going to cut it. It doesn't seem like they had what we would call a 'plan.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baa99 Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 Well in an another farang murder, the husband's side of the family got custody. Toby The family of six-year-old Daniel Charnaud is determined to give him as normal and happy a childhood as they can, after his Thai mother was sentenced to life imprisonment for the murder of his father, Toby. ... Mr and Mrs Charnaud, their daughter Hannah Allan and her husband have joint custody of Daniel, who attends a local school. "He enjoys school and he's as happy as the day is long," said Mr Charnaud. "He knows what is happening in Thailand. The school has been very supportive. Inevitably when he gets older he will want to know more detail about what happened." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashermac Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 It just now happened? That's the son of JohnnyWas, one of this board's members. Toby Charnaud used to come to the Friday night board meetings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baa99 Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 Just wanted to note, the Thai courts have awarded custody to the farang family in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redbaron Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 not just now flash, the article was dated september 2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gadfly Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 It just now happened? That's the son of JohnnyWas, one of this board's members. Toby Charnaud used to come to the Friday night board meetings. That was a tragedy. It does seem like it took awhile for the Thai court system to sort this out. I have lived here for quite awhile, and I cannot just understand the selfish greed that drives Thai families to such reprehensible behavior. For every case that makes it into the press, how many are there where the Farang decided, out of the blue without warning, to take swan dive from his condo or poison himself? And let's face it: for many Thais the problem is not the crime. It's the fact that the foreign community knows about the crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gadfly Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 Unless they transported the kid wrapped up in a blanket and have him locked in a dungeon, they should be able to locate him, it just takes a reasonably competent detective to do it. How big can their famliy be. And who outside their family is going to be willing to stick their neck out for them and get involved in a mess like this one? And they have to hire a good lawyer to deal with the courts. And they need to get their government involved. And they should alert the media. Germany has tabloids, and Brits would lap this one up. I'd read it. An angle I don't hear any one talking about, how would they be able to claim an inheritance in circumstances like this when the money is outside Thailand? That will obviously be disputed and go to a court in a real country, where Grandma showing up as an obvious murder suspect, with the child still 'missing', isn't going to cut it. It doesn't seem like they had what we would call a 'plan.' They clearly planned to kill this guy. And it appears they did so to get money - namely his child support and possibly other local assets. But did they think about the bigger picture? The assets overseas, the fact that they would need to account for a missing child? No. In that sense, they did not have a plan. But then look at all the half built infrastructure and money wasted in plainly ridiculous projects in Thailand, such as the GT-200 bomb detector (which some still claim works), the Director of Road Department where they found millions at his house he could not possibly have earned, the brazen corruption and kick-backs in any government deal here. Or murders of foreigners to cover up such scams, some of which we are not even allowed to discuss. Do any of the participants in those scams have plans? They just they think they will not get caught and, if they do get caught, they will not and should not be punished because they are 'big' people or the victim is an outsider, such as a Farang. For sentiment is shared by many here, If they are poorer Thai, they see how the more important leaders in their community act. The lawlessness and callous disregard for victims who can do little to protect themselves. And they to have a sense of entitlement when the victim is a foreigner. The times are changing, but there is still this ingrained sense that this sort of stuff is OK, particularly with Farangs. They can invoke xenophobic nationalism and hare-brained claims to justify their reprehensible acts just like the elite here do. But the internet is changing that. And this is why Thailand has such an ambiguous attitude about the transparency that comes with the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkoktraveler Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 That was a tragedy. It does seem like it took awhile for the Thai court system to sort this out. I have lived here for quite awhile, and I cannot just understand the selfish greed that drives Thai families to such reprehensible behavior. For every case that makes it into the press, how many are there where the Farang decided, out of the blue without warning, to take swan dive from his condo or poison himself? And let's face it: for many Thais the problem is not the crime. It's the fact that the foreign community knows about the crime. Thais have a lot of skeletons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Radley Posted October 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Seems to be a video of the wife, Katcharin Duval, possibly speaking to the press while in police custody after being arrested, but I can't get it to load. Anyone have any luck? What's she saying (if anything)? http://www.bugaboo.tv/watch/32491/%E0%B8%88%E0%B8%B1%E0%B8%9A%E0%B8%A0%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%A2%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%8A%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%A7%E0%B9%84%E0%B8%97%E0%B8%A2%E0%B9%81%E0%B8%A5%E0%B8%B0%E0%B8%84%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%9A%E0%B8%84%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%B1%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%A5%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%87%E0%B8%86%E0%B9%88%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%B5%E0%B8%95%E0%B9%88%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%87%E0%B8%8A%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%95%E0%B8%B4.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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