Hamas

[robaus]

"The building was targeted because of the presence of senior terrorist members there, Israeli army spokeswoman Avital Leibovich said. One of the militants killed in the assault was Ramez Harb, head of Islamic Jihad’s media operations, who Israel said was responsible for propaganda for the group."

 

LINK

 

More links to Zionist blogspots, Don't you ever read quality credible independent media, Unit? Do you have any original ideas of your own?

 

No matter,,two points

 

Israel's targeted assassinations are to quote a member of this forum a bit like "Judge, jury, and executioner? Not even Judge Roy Bean behaved this way." (ohhh that member was you wasn’t he, Unit!)

 

Even if a militant were asleep in a building, isn’t it a war crime to kill him knowing full well you are certain to kill innocent civilians too. You’d be no better than Hamas firing rockets into Israel...worse in fact...Hamas have hardly a clue where they’ll land, whereas Israel is killing civilians with pin point precision, so they tell us.

 

Both are war crimes.

[robaus]

NEW YORK TIMES

 

"It is unclear who was responsible for the strike on Annazla: the damage was nowhere near severe enough to have come from an Israeli F-16, raising the possibility that an errant missile fired by Palestinian militants was responsible for the deaths."

 

 

LINK

 

 

With New York’s Jewish population almost as large as Tel Aviv’s guess what readership this article was aimed at? Come on, Unit, show me your spurious claims in some independent credible media such as CNN or BBC...it must be there somewhere if it’s so true.

 

But it isn’t so true is it? That’s why it can’t be found. I think the editor of the New York Times ought to advertise for some decent journalists. Just look at the vague weasel words... “It is unclearâ€...†raising the possibilityâ€... not quite Pulitzer Prize material is it?

 

You still haven’t answered the question have you...what’s your motive in posting this tripe? Is it to casually dismiss the deaths of 29 children as human shields, and now the 30^th as a result of Hamas rocket, thereby completely absolving your friends the Israelis of all responsibility. Reduce the deaths to mere statistics, dehumanise them... they’re just numbers after all, nothing to do with IDF. Watch out Mark Regev, there’s someone on Thai360 after your job!

 

Well, while you’re pondering that, before you read a bedtime story to your kids or grandkids tonight, think about this poor man who won’t be able to anymore, because Netanyahu in his bloodlust desire to win the forthcoming Israeli election ignored a Hamas ceasefire on 12^th Nov [with better term] in order to escalate the conflict on the 14^th Nov. The 6 Israeli deaths must be on his conscience too as well as the 156 Palestinians.

 

Far away from your Hypotheticaland here’s a dose of reality. This is what Israeli bombs do to real people...

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk...e-east-20466027

 

Gaza baby 'only knew how to smile'

 

 

The death of civilians on either side in the Israel-Gaza conflict is tragic - especially when children are among the casualties. The BBC correspondent in Gaza, Jon Donnison, witnessed just such a tragedy at close quarters.

 

My friend and colleague Jehad Mashhrawi is usually the last to leave our Gaza bureau. Hard-working but softly spoken, he often stays late, beavering away on a laptop that is rarely out of arm's reach.

 

He has a cool head - unflappable, when others like me are flapping around him. He is a video editor and just one of our local BBC Arabic Service staff who make the office tick.

 

But on the Wednesday before last - only an hour or so after Gaza's latest war erupted with Israel's killing of Hamas military commander Ahmed al-Jabari - Jehad burst out of the editing suite screaming.

 

He sprinted down the stairs, his head in his hands, his face ripped with anguish.

 

He had just had a call from a friend to tell him the Israeli military had bombed his house and that his 11-month-old baby boy Omar was dead.

 

Most fathers will tell you their children are beautiful.

 

Omar was a picture-book baby.

 

 

Standing in what is left of his burnt-out home this week, Jehad showed me a photo on his mobile phone.

 

It was of a cheeky, chunky, round-faced little boy in denim dungarees, chuckling in a pushchair, dark-eyed with a fringe of fine brown hair pushed across his brow.

 

"He only knew how to smile," Jehad told me, as we both struggled to hold back the tears.

 

"He could say just two words - Baba and Mama," his father went on.

 

Also on Jehad's phone is another photo. A hideous tiny corpse. Omar's smiling face virtually burnt off, that fine hair appearing to be melted on to his scalp.

 

Jehad's sister-in-law Heba was also killed.

 

"We still haven't found her head," Jehad said.

 

And his brother is critically ill in hospital with massive burns. His chances are not good.

 

Jehad has another son Ali, four years old, who was slightly injured. He keeps asking where his baby brother has gone.

 

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Eleven members of the Mashhrawi family lived in the tiny breezeblock house in the Sabra district of Gaza City. Five people slept in one room.

 

The beds are now only good for charcoal. The cupboards are full of heaps of burnt children's clothes.

 

On the kitchen shelves, there are rows of melted plastic jars full of Palestinian herbs and spices, their shapes distorted as if reflected from a fairground mirror.

 

And in the entrance hall, a two-foot-wide hole in the flimsy metal ceiling where the missile ripped through.

 

Despite the evidence pointing towards an Israeli air strike, some bloggers have suggested [he means you, Unit] it might have been a misfired Hamas rocket.

 

But at that time, so soon after the launch of Israel's operation, the Israeli military says mortars had been launched from Gaza but very few rockets.

 

Mortar fire would not cause the fireball that appears to have engulfed Jehad's house.

 

Other bloggers have said that the damage to Jehad's home was not consistent with powerful Israeli attacks but the BBC visited other bombsites this week with very similar fire damage, where Israel acknowledged carrying out what it called "surgical strikes".

 

As at Jehad's home, there was very little structural damage but the victims were brought out with massive and fatal burns. Most likely is that Omar died in the one of the more than 20 bombings across Gaza that the Israeli military says made up its initial wave of attacks.

 

Of course every civilian death on either side - not just Omar's - is tragic. The United Nations says its preliminary investigation shows that 103 of the 158 people killed in Gaza were civilians.

 

Of those, 30 were children - 12 of whom were under the age of 10. More than 1,000 people were injured.

 

The Israeli government spokesman Mark Regev said every non-combatant death or injury was tragic and an "operational failure".

 

In Israel, too, there were fatalities: four civilians and two soldiers. There were also many injuries. But the fact the Israeli Ambulance Service was also reporting those suffering from anxiety and bruises is an indication of the asymmetric nature of the conflict.

 

Jehad's baby Omar was probably the first child to die in this latest round of violence.

 

Among the last was a six-year-old boy, Abdul Rahman Naeem, who was killed by an Israeli attack just hours before the ceasefire was announced.

 

Abdul Rahman's father, Dr Majdi, is one of the leading specialist doctors at Gaza City's Shifa Hospital.

 

The first he knew of his son's death was when he went to treat a patient, only to find it was his own boy.

 

Apparently, Dr Majdi had not seen Abdul Rahman for days. He had been too busy dealing with the wounded.

 

Before I left Jehad's house, leaving him sitting round a camp fire with other mourners, I asked him - perhaps stupidly - if he was angry over Omar's death.

 

"Very, very angry," he said, his jaw tensing as he glanced at the photos on his phone.

 

This from a man who I cannot ever remember raising his voice in anger.

 

My thoughts, after a week where I have had little time to think, are with Jehad and his family.

 

Remarkably and unnecessarily, he told me his thoughts were with me and the rest of our BBC team.

 

"I'm just sorry, Jon, that I had to go and wasn't there to help you with your work," he said, before we hugged and said goodbye.

 

BEFORE the Israeli bombs

 

 

AFTER the Israeli bombs

 

 

 

 

 

How can you sleep at night, Unit, when the myths you post only serve to perpetuate this?

[TheCorinthian]

More links to Zionist blogspots, Don't you ever read quality credible independent media, Unit? Do you have any original ideas of your own?

 

Interesting choice of words.

 

Do you agree with this...?

 

"If the Palestinians put down their arms there would be peace. If the Israelis put down their arms, they would be annihilated."

[huumlaar]

Ridiculous question.

 

Even LazyPhil would acknowledge that if the Native Americans stopped fighting there would be peace.

 

 

How about "If the USA didn't attack Iraq there would be peace there?"

 

Just as silly.

[Steve]

This is something I'd like to know. How large (if any) of each side really doesn't want a peace. How many in Israel really don't want any sort of Palestinian state next to them. Conversely, how many Palestinians have an 'all or nothing' mindset with regards to Israel. That if they do get a Palestinian state they'd look over the border and always long for that land that they consider theirs by right.

[Guest lazyphil]

 

for me ole mate robby, is he and all other aussies gonna give an inch of his legendary aussie lifestyle to the natives????

[robaus]

Interesting choice of words.

 

Do you agree with this...?

 

"If the Palestinians put down their arms there would be peace. If the Israelis put down their arms, they would be annihilated."

 

No, I disagree.

 

Although the reality on the ground at the signing of a peace agreement could be as you envisage: a completely demilitarised Palestine patrolled by UN/EU/NATO/Arab League, with Israel fully armed for years until they learn to trust each other.

 

Mahmoud Abbas and the PA in the West Bank have put down their weapons. Israeli response: grab more land and build more settlements.

 

Achieving a just, permanent peace,with secure borders recognised by all sides (the only sort worth having)....is a bit more complex than your simple question, but far from impossible to achieve. Bill Clinton almost had their signatures on a deal in 2000.

 

The whole Arab world (plus Iran even) in 2002 has agreed to recognise Israel within permamnent borders, exchange of ambassadors, commerce, tourism etc in return for more or less what Bill Clinton had on the table... a few land swaps, a fudged deal over Jerusalem and the return of a handful of geriatric refugees. The offer still stands.

 

There's been a change of government In Israel since 2000 to the hard right, and the same in USA under Bush, and peace flew out the window.

 

Just last week UK's William Hague urged Obama to make another big effort..in his words the chance of a two state solution is fast disappearing, because Israel is swallowing up so much land, making a Palestinian state unviable.

 

I for one wouldn't mind if Israel annexed the whole of the West Bank and Gaza, then they would have the very thorny problem of giving Palestinians the rights of full Israeli citizenship. The alternative would be South African style apartheid.

 

Got an appontment atm, must go. Will be back to answer your question later CS. But LP can stay in the dreamtime.

 

[Guest lazyphil]

don't they ever learn. don't fuck with israel, they will fight their tiny slither of land in the vast middle east....not matter what. the sooner everyone accepts this and deal with the internal arab on arab violence the better for all.

[khunsanuk]

Hi,

 

LP, I think the problem is that they are not just fighting for their piece of land, but are constantly trying to expand their piece of land.

 

BTW, that 'tiny slither of land' is probably 10x - or more - the size of the Palestinians' land.

 

Sanuk!

[Coss]

Put a fence around the lot, keep pouring arms in, until there's no-one left, or they come to their senses.