North Korea At War With South

[waerth]

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/asia/343103/n-korea-says-at-war-with-south

 

North Korea said it had formally entered a "state of war" with South Korea and warned that any provocation would swiftly escalate into a nuclear conflict.

 

"As of now, inter-Korea relations enter a state of war and all matters between the two Koreas will be handled according to wartime protocol," the North said in a statement attributed to all government bodies and institutions.

It is the latest in a string of dire threats from Pyongyang that have been matched by tough warnings from South Korea and the United States, fuelling international concerns that the situation is spiralling out of control.

"The long-standing situation of the Korean peninsula being neither at peace nor at war is finally over," said the statement carried by the official Korean Central News Agency (KCNA).

The two Koreas have always technically remained at war because the 1950-53 Korean War concluded with an armistice rather than a peace treaty.

The North had announced earlier this month that it was ripping up the armistice and other bilateral peace pacts signed with Seoul in protest against South Korea-US joint military exercises.

"This is not really a new threat -- just part of a series of provocative threats," the South's Unification Ministry said in a statement.

The defence ministry added that no particular troop movement had been observed along the border.

Voiding the ceasefire theoretically opened the way to a resumption of hostilities, although observers noted it was far from the first time that North Korea had announced the demise of the armistice.

The armistice was approved by the UN General Assembly, and both the United Nations and South Korea have repudiated the North's unilateral withdrawal.

Saturday's statement warned that any military provocation near the North-South land or sea border would result "in a full-scale conflict and a nuclear war".

Most observers still believe this will remain a rhetorical rather than a physical battle, but the situation has now become so volatile that any slight miscalculation carries the potential for rapid escalation.

Both China and Russia asked for all sides to cooperate to prevent the situation worsening on Friday, with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov voicing particular concern.

"We can simply see the situation getting out of control, it would spiral down into a vicious circle," Lavrov told reporters at a news conference.

His warning came after North Korean leader Kim Jong-Un ordered missile units to prepare to strike US mainland and military bases, vowing to "settle accounts" after US stealth bombers flew over South Korea.

US Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel stressed that Washington would not be cowed by Pyongyang's bellicose threats and stood ready to respond to "any eventuality".

The high-stakes standoff has its roots in North Korea's successful long-range rocket launch in December and the third nuclear test it carried out in February.

Both events drew UN sanctions that incensed Pyongyang, which then switched the focus of its anger to the annual joint South Korea-US military drills.

As tensions escalated, Washington has maintained a notably assertive stance, publicising its use of nuclear-capable B-52s and B-2 stealth bombers in the war games.

The long-distance deployment of both sets of aircraft out of bases in Guam and the US mainland were intended as a clear signal of US commitment to defending South Korea against any act of aggression.

While Hagel stressed that Washington was taking the threats from the North "very seriously," US military intelligence noted that Pyongyang's combative rhetoric has not, so far, been matched by any overtly provocative troop build-up.

And analysts have underlined that the threats and counter-threats have increasingly stressed a conditional element of the other side acting first.

[Flashermac]

Fair enough, a state of war exists. Bomb the crap out of them.

 

 

[Flashermac]

Years ago I taught an international student from Korea, very westernised and raised in the west. I asked where he was from. He said Pyongyang! I have always wonder who he really was. Had to be from an "approved" family.

[waerth]

Fair enough, a state of war exists. Bomb the crap out of them.

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYN4hmT-z1Y

 

Well the city looks clean and neat.

[Flashermac]

Not a single dog ... not even a bird in sight.

[Flashermac]

[Central Scrutinizer]

MacArthur was right. He wanted to nuke the cunts. Truman should have listened to him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

U.S. PLANNED TO A-BOMB N. KOREA IN 1950 WAR - Page 2

Nuclear Weapons And Aircraft Waited For Orders

 

MacARTHUR NOW CONSIDERS USING THE "BOMB"

With the oncoming defeat a distinct possibility, talk of using the Atomic Bomb was making the rounds. General Hoyt Vandenberg, speaking for the Air Force, suggested they were prepared to use it. MacArthur suggested a plan to use numerous bombs. The U.S. had a stockpile of nearly 300 air-burst bombs. Only President Truman could order them used. MacArthur was insisting he be given the sole right to use 50 bombs as he saw fit. He insisted on bombing the Yalu power plants with multiple strikes by B-29s. Suggestions came from all services and every General offered his own plan. Truman announced the U.S. was considering using the Atomic weapon against North Korea. The situation brought up a question in my mind: Our entire military complex was announcing their plans to drop the bomb, but MacArthur, with the same idea, was criticized for planning the same thing. A state of affairs was rapidly going from bad to disastrous. In the war room Vandenberg dismissed the idea of further reprimands to MacArthur. "What good would it do? He won't obey the orders". General Ridgway exploded. "You can relieve any commander who won't obey orders, can't you?" Thus the idea of relieving MacArthur was on the table. He again requested that the Pentagon grant him a field commander's discretion to employ nuclear weapons as necessary. He wanted them stockpiled in Okinawa, which they were finally stored ready for use after MacArthur's request was denied. His plan was to drop between 30 and 50 atomic bombs-strung across the neck of Manchuria, and spread behind us, from the Sea of Japan to the Yellow Sea- a belt of radioactive cobalt for at least 60 years there would be no invasion of Korea from the North. The Russians, he claimed, would be intimidated by this and do nothing. He continued to strongly seek authority to deploy the bomb.

NEVADA TEST SITE, OPERATION PLUMBOB SERIES 57 kt

TRUMAN FIRES INSUBORDINATE MacARTHUR

With all American forces in full retreat, some of the decisions made by MacArthur were accused of accelerating the crisis. American losses, particularly marines, reached the unacceptable range. The U.S. retreat was humiliating. The conversations now turned to total evacuation of our forces. General Ridgway assumed more and more responsibility in decision making. MacArthur rejected any type of negotiated settlement. He had derailed the U.S. initiative which was actually a dare for China to continue the war. He had always wanted a war with China. The Pentagon received his message, which infuriated many high ranking officials.

Truman had considered firing MacArthur many times previous to this, but this was the last straw. Actually the order of Dec. 6 which MacArthur had disobeyed was explicit enough to warrant court-martial proceedings. MacArthur's statements were causing consternation in Washington as was his insulting personal letter to Ridgway. His advice letter to the House of Representatives again infuriated everyone. MacArthur wanted a war with China, and his leadership could no longer be tolerated. A meeting was held with Truman to determine how to get rid of MacArthur. Truman insisted "I'm going to fire the son of a bitch right now". MacArthur was ordered to turnover his command to Lt. General Ridgway. General Bradley warned Truman that if MacArthur heard about the orders before they reached him officially he might resign with an arrogant flair. Truman exclaimed "The son of a bitch isn't going to resign on me, I want him fired". MacArthur's dismissal was announced on late night radio: " I have decided that I must make a change in command in the Far East. I have, therefore, relieved General MacArthur of his command and have designated Lt. Gen. Matthew Ridgway as his replacement".

U.S.THREATENS ATOMIC WARFARE

On Nov. 5 1950, the Joint Chiefs of Staff issued orders for the retaliatory atomic bombing of Manchurian military bases, if either their armies crossed into Korea or if PRC or KPA bombers attacked Korea from there. The President ordered the transfer of nine Mark-4 nuclear capsules "to the Air Force's Ninth Bomb Group, the designated carrier of the weapons, and signed an order to use them against Chinese and Korean targets.

On Nov. 30, 1950, the USAF Strategic Air Command was ordered to "augment it's capacities, and this should include atomic capabilities.

President Truman remarked that his government was actively considering using the atomic bomb to end the war in Korea but that only he commanded atomic bomb use.

In 1951 the U.S. escalated closest to atomic warfare in Korea. Because the PRC had deployed new armies to the Korean frontier, pit crews at the Kadena Air Force Base, Okinawa, assembled atomic bombs for Korean warfare, lacking only the essential nuclear cores. In Oct. 1951, the U.S. effected Operation Hudson Harbor to establish nuclear weapons capability. USAF B-29 bombers practiced individual bombing runs (using dummy nuclear or conventional bombs) from Okinawa to North Korea, coordinated from Yokota AFB in Japan. Hudson Harbor tested "actual functioning of all activities which would be involved in an atomic strike, including weapons assembly and testing, leading to ground control of bomb aiming". There were an increasing number of suggestions on precisely how the atomic bombing of N. Korea would be conducted. Robert Oppenheimer, director of "the Manhatten Project", was designated a consultant in the tactical use of the A-bomb.

With atomic weapons already on Okinawa, the stage was set to proceed with the actual detonation of numerous nuclear bombs. It was suggested that General Curtis LeMay be put in charge of the actual drops. All ranking officials plus The President of the U.S. agreed to the plan. Everything was ready, just waiting for the "word".

As we all know the "war" ended just about where it started. The stalemate was insulting to the U.S., as we had lost the war. The humiliation went deep, as the tragic loss of 36,913 of our best men will always be difficult to accept.

It is somewhat ironic that after 60 years we are still legally at war. Perhaps we should have proceeded with our plan in the 50s war, as we are again faced with the same problem. The situation now is not the same as 1950. N. Korea is one of the best prepared nation militarily for any kind of confrontation, on land or nuclear. They are equipped with top Russian fighters, and highly accurate surface to air missiles. Thought must be given to the fact that they have several atomic weapons which can be delivered short or long range from mobile launchers. It is not a mistake to predict they will very soon have ICBM which could reach any part of the U.S.

N.KOREA HAS A STOCKPILE OF CHEMICAL WEAPONS

N. Korea has had for some time a substantial arsenal of chemical weapons. It reportedly acquired the technology necessary to produce large amounts of nerve agents with the means to launch them. N. Korea has expended considerable resources on equipping it's army with chemical protection equipment. Their capability to launch missiles containing nerve agents is possibly more frightening than the a-bomb. In a relatively few short years they will have the capability to strike the U.S. with not only nerve agents but possibly the neutron bomb. The U.S. has allowed this to happen, and has nobody to blame but itself. We allowed this to happen, and will live to regret it.

AMERICAN SOLDIER EXECUTED BY N.KOREANS

This is only one of hundreds of American POWs executed with hands tied behind their back. Now here's my question. We lost the war and suffered great humiliation which was mostly covered up by the U.S. Was it worth it to lose even this one soldier. He died for nothing in a God forsaken country which meant nothing to us. We served no purpose for being there.

[Flashermac]

"We lost the war..." Who did, the UN? If "we" lost the war, why isn't South Korea communist? We lost in Vietnam because the communist North did conquer the South. That did not happen in Korea.

 

As to the executed US soldiers, the North Korean troops were animals - and would be again if war comes. I have a friend whose big brother was captured early in the Korean War. To his dying day, big brother hated the NK's with a passion. But when the PRC entered the war and the Chinese took over the POW camps, he said it was like going from night to day. The Chinese treated them in accordance with the Geneva Convention and he had nothing bad to say against the Chinese. Nuking the Yalu would have killed millions of Chinese, who were not the bad guys, and quite likely have brought the Soviets actively into the war - possibly extending to Europe. (Soviet pilots were flying NK migs anyway, all of the Russian "volunteers" being WWII aces.)

 

Also, I think it is significant that MacArthur himself later changed his mind and admitted he had been wrong. He said nuking the Chinese border was a very bad idea. One of the last things Big Mac in his life did was visit JFK and beg him not to get involved in another land war in Asia, Vietnam. He said such wars were "unwinnable". Kennedy wouldn't listen.

[waerth]

 

The moves of the U.S. imperialists to violate the sovereignty of the DPRK and encroach upon its supreme interests have entered an extremely grave phase. Under this situation, the dear respected Marshal Kim Jong Un, brilliant commander of Mt. Paektu, convened an urgent operation meeting on the performance of duty of the Strategic Rocket Force of the Korean People's Army for firepower strike and finally examined and ratified a plan for firepower strike.

 

The important decision made by him is the declaration of a do-or-die battle to provide an epochal occasion for putting an end to the history of the long-standing showdown with the U.S. and opening a new era. It is also a last warning of justice served to the U.S., south Korean group and other anti-reunification hostile forces. The decision reflects the strong will of the army and people of the DPRK to annihilate the enemies.

Now the heroic service personnel and all other people of the DPRK are full of surging anger at the U.S. imperialists' reckless war provocation moves, and the strong will to turn out as one in the death-defying battle with the enemies and achieve a final victory of the great war for national reunification true to the important decision made by Kim Jong Un.

The Supreme Command of the KPA in its previous statement solemnly declared at home and abroad the will of the army and people of the DPRK to take decisive military counteraction to defend the sovereignty of the country and the dignity of its supreme leadership as regards the war moves of the U.S. and south Korean puppets that have reached the most extreme phase.

Not content with letting B-52 make sorties into the sky over south Korea in succession despite the repeated warnings of the DPRK, the U.S. made B-2A stealth strategic bomber and other ultra-modern strategic strike means fly from the U.S. mainland to south Korea to stage a bombing drill targeting the DPRK. This is an unpardonable and heinous provocation and an open challenge.

By taking advantage of the U.S. reckless campaign for a nuclear war against the DPRK, the south Korean puppets vociferated about "preemptive attack" and "strong counteraction" and even "strike at the commanding forces," openly revealing the attempt to destroy monuments symbolic of the dignity of the DPRK's supreme leadership.

This clearly shows that the U.S. brigandish ambition for aggression and the puppets' attempt to invade the DPRK have gone beyond the limit and their threats have entered the reckless phase of an actual war from the phase of threat and blackmail.

The prevailing grim situation more clearly proves that the Supreme Command of the KPA was just when it made the judgment and decision to decisively settle accounts with the U.S. imperialists and south Korean puppets by dint of the arms of Songun, because time when words could work has passed.

Now they are openly claiming that the B-2A stealth strategic bombers' drill of dropping nuclear bombs was "not to irritate the north" but "the defensive one". The U.S. also says the drill is "to defend the interests of its ally". However, it is nothing but a lame pretext to cover up its aggressive nature, evade the denunciation at home and abroad and escape from the DPRK's retaliatory blows.

The era when the U.S. resorted to the policy of strength by brandishing nuclear weapons has gone.

It is the resolute answer of the DPRK and its steadfast stand to counter the nuclear blackmail of the U.S. imperialists with merciless nuclear attack and their war of aggression with just all-out war.

They should clearly know that in the era of Marshal Kim Jong Un, the greatest-ever commander, all things are different from what they used to be in the past.

The hostile forces will clearly realize the iron will, matchless grit and extraordinary mettle of the brilliant commander of Mt. Paektu that the earth cannot exist without Songun Korea.

Time has come to stage a do-or-die final battle.

The government, political parties and organizations of the DPRK solemnly declare as follows reflecting the final decision made by Kim Jong Un at the operation meeting of the KPA Supreme Command and the unanimous will of all service personnel and people of the DPRK who are waiting for a final order from him.

1.From this moment, the north-south relations will be put at the state of war and all the issues arousing between the north and the south will be dealt with according to the wartime regulations.

The state of neither peace nor war has ended on the Korean Peninsula.

Now that the revolutionary armed forces of the DPRK have entered into an actual military action, the inter-Korean relations have naturally entered the state of war. Accordingly, the DPRK will immediately punish any slightest provocation hurting its dignity and sovereignty with resolute and merciless physical actions without any prior notice.

2. If the U.S. and the south Korean puppet group perpetrate a military provocation for igniting a war against the DPRK in any area including the five islands in the West Sea of Korea or in the area along the Military Demarcation Line, it will not be limited to a local war, but develop into an all-out war, a nuclear war.

It is self-evident that any military conflict on the Korean Peninsula is bound to lead to an all-out war, a nuclear war now that even U.S. nuclear strategic bombers in its military bases in the Pacific including Hawaii and Guam and in its mainland are flying into the sky above south Korea to participate in the madcap DPRK-targeted nuclear war moves.

The first strike of the revolutionary armed forces of the DPRK will blow up the U.S. bases for aggression in its mainland and in the Pacific operational theatres including Hawaii and Guam and reduce not only its military bases in south Korea but the puppets' ruling institutions including Chongwadae and puppet army's bases to ashes at once, to say nothing of the aggressors and the provokers.

3. The DPRK will never miss the golden chance to win a final victory in a great war for national reunification.

This war will not be a three day-war but it will be a blitz war through which the KPA will occupy all areas of south Korea including Jeju Island at one strike, not giving the U.S. and the puppet warmongers time to come to their senses, and a three-dimensional war to be fought in the air, land and seas and on the front line and in the rear.

This sacred war of justice will be a nation-wide, all-people resistance involving all Koreans in the north and the south and overseas in which the traitors to the nation including heinous confrontation maniacs, warmongers and human scum will be mercilessly swept away.

No force on earth can break the will of the service personnel and people of the DPRK all out in the just great war for national reunification and of all other Koreans and overpower their might.

Holding in high esteem the peerlessly great men of Mt. Paektu, the Korean people will give vent to the pent-up grudge and realize their cherished desire and thus bring a bright day of national reunification and build the best power on this land without fail.

Voice of Russia, Reuters, KCNA

 

 

Read more: http://english.ruvr....-DPRK-KCNA-910/

[Central Scrutinizer]

WTF did Dennis Rodman do over there anyway? Its all gone to shit since he visited!