bust Posted December 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2014 Sad end to the year for many families... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coss Posted December 30, 2014 Report Share Posted December 30, 2014 And in the most insensitive handling of a situation like this - ever - "Graphic images of the passengers of AirAsia Flight QZ8501, now floating semi-naked corpses, were broadcast by an Indonesian news channel and appeared on six wide-screen televisions inside the room where families, including several young children, were waiting for news of the missing airliner." Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Munchmaster Posted December 31, 2014 Report Share Posted December 31, 2014 "At a press conference on the island of Borneo, rescue officials began exhibiting objects plucked from the Java Sea including the turquoise suitcase of one of the 17 children on the plane." Not so distressed that almost 20 of them made it into the photo. So this doesn't just happen in Thailand! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashermac Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 "The BMKG agency said initial analysis suggested icy conditions in the air had caused the engine to stall." http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30665499 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavanami Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 Hmmmm....jets fly thru huge rain/thunderstorms and do not stall out and a jet turbo runs hot, not allowing ice to form on it... icing on the wings, changing the aerodynamics, OK but stalling.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroyinEwa/Perv Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 Stall was my opinion from the get go. This reinforces that....... Data point to 'unbelievably' steep climb before AirAsia crash: source http://news.yahoo.com/data-point-unbelievably-steep-climb-airasia-crash-source-132236864--finance.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavanami Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 The pilot would have to do some work, like a missile type climb, to stall out. If air speed gets too low...you can crash! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekong Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 Cav In a fixed wing aircraft stall is not proportional to airspeed but to lift therefore the icing theory makes sense since ice will change the aerodynamics of the wing and effect lift. Also the pilot requested to increase altitude to fly above the storm, as altitude increases air density decreases, in layman's terms it becomes thinner, thereby decreasing lift and causing a probable stall. Take your thinking out of your old beaten up pick up mentality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YimSiam Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 Thought this was an interesting - and chilling - analysis of why planes can crash when everything suggests they shouldn't have a problem, it's about the Air France flight from Brazil that disappeared into the Atlantic: http://www.vanityfair.com/business/2014/10/air-france-flight-447-crash Overall, Indonesia and AirAsia seem to have handled this so much better than the Malaysia incidents were handled -- and taking into account that the Indonesian outward response to death is often merry giggling, it's that much more impressive that they have been able to play the public angle so well. Of course the context is different, but still - they've got their ducks, and coffins, all lined up... RIP, passengers. And man, that one dude, who lost seven members of his family and was giving matter-of-fact interviews about how he felt about it just a day or two later... YimSiam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavanami Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 Cav In a fixed wing aircraft stall is not proportional to airspeed but to lift therefore the icing theory makes sense since ice will change the aerodynamics of the wing and effect lift. Also the pilot requested to increase altitude to fly above the storm, as altitude increases air density decreases, in layman's terms it becomes thinner, thereby decreasing lift and causing a probable stall. Take your thinking out of your old beaten up pick up mentality. There are certain minimum air speeds required for each type of aircraft in order not to stall. Who said anything about any proportion to airspeed For example, a 747 may stall out at less then say 200 MPH, while my old Cessna would stall out at less then 80 MPH. If icing was the case, the pilot should have noted such and taken action(s). ...and you are still jealous of my ol' pick-em-up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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