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Israel Warned New Zealand That Un Resolution Was 'declaration Of War'


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The Palestinians are fucked. The fact is the USA will no longer be a (fair, impartial, whatever you want to call it) arbiter of the negotiations. The EU (basically Germany) are scared as shit to be called antisemitic. Any USA government official who even hints at anything but full, unilateral support can get punished in any number of ways.

Trump has sent the most aggressively pro Israel ambassador ever. Its said he is even to the right of Bibi if that is possible. Just stating realpolitik. I'm not Jewish or an Arab so no real horse in that race. I do not like the treatment of Africans and Ethiopian Jews within Israel, and the protests against them are like a KKK rally but that's a separate issue.

I completely get the need for self protection. I'd feel the same were I in the same position. However, the fact of the matter is Israel can do whatever the fuck it wants to pretty much and no one (of importance---EU, USA, Russia, China) will utter a peep.

The two state 'thingy' is dead, finis, finished. Israel knows it doesn't need to negotiate that as it will never be 'forced' to accept it.

 

So, what then? The real question is what happens when the Palestinian arabs and by extension the arabs in other countries (including persians in this as well) do about it?

 

As for that map. Its a bit out of context. Senegal, Ivory Coast, Morocco and a few others don't anywhere close to the visceral hatred for Israel as say the Persians or Syrians do. Plenty of Jews who can openly do business in a few moslem dominated countries.

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We must live in alternate universes. My moment of alarm came last year when I was walking around the UCLA campus and saw Palestinian flags flying in several places. Gay pride parade, black lives matter, 3rd wave feminist groups -- all rallying against Israel as part of the new intersectional victimhood of the left. Saying "hey, I support Israel" will get you condemnation and accusations of fascism.

 

It's a very distorted worldview and the left has literally gone off the rails. While I still call myself a liberal, I certainly don't call myself left any more or even a democrat.

 

And the stipulation that Israel can do anything it wants... really? Is that said in seriousness? Having the support of the Trump administration may give Bibi a little relief in the present but I'm leery of how that will play out in the long run.

 

We shall see.

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The USSR voted for partition at the UN in 1948. Stalin could have vetoed it, but that decided creating Israel would be to his advantage in the region. If the Arab states had accepted partition in 1948 - instead of attacking to destroy the state of Israel, this whole situation wouldn't be going on today. All the Arabs armies succeeded in doing was creating a larger and stronger state of Israel. (But the radical Islamists will never give up their dream of driving the Jews into the sea. They don't care if the Palestinians get destroyed in the process.)

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JR ... I've always been a registered Democrat. I consider myself a moderate, more of a Blue Dog Democrats. But the Dems have gone so far to the left these days, while the Republicans have turned more or less into right wing kooks, that I find it best to keep my mouth shut about politics. Voice a different opinion, and both the left and right are ready to stone you. Politics in the USA is fucked! :(

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This guy, Ben Shapiro, is UCLA alumni and walked into a BDS drive on campus to divest from Israel. Shapiro is a conservative and I don't agree with several of his positions (more restrictive immigration policies, less restrictive gun policies, etc.). But I also admire his courage in walking into this group and expressing his views -- many of which are spot on.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8vXSObQMrI

 

I think what disturbs me most are the trends on campus to silence any criticism of the left and shutdown folks like Ben Shapiro, Israel Horowitz, Sam Harris, etc. Literally prevent them from speaking.

 

Flash - I don't know where things went wrong, but on the left they have gone way wrong. (Ironically this is likely what put an asshole like Trump in the white house).

 

We shall see.

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Instead of figuring out why they lost and how to make sure it doesn't happen again, the Democrats seem determined to continue on the same path and face more loses in the future.

 

The Hildebeast actually did get more votes than the Donald, but she lost because of the Electoral College. Remember the immediate furor against the EC? The Dems also won more votes but lost in 1824, 1876, 1880, and 2000. That makes 5 times the Democrats have won the popular vote and lost the election. (It's never happened to the Republicans.) You'd think the they'd be hopping mad and determined to change things, but the issue seems to have been forgotten once again. Short memories?

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Instead of figuring out why they lost and how to make sure it doesn't happen again, the Democrats seem determined to continue on the same path and face more loses in the future.

 

The Hildebeast actually did get more votes than the Donald, but she lost because of the Electoral College. Remember the immediate furor against the EC? The Dems also won more votes but lost in 1824, 1876, 1880, and 2000. That makes 5 times the Democrats have won the popular vote and lost the election. (It's never happened to the Republicans.) You'd think the they'd be hopping mad and determined to change things, but the issue seems to have been forgotten once again. Short memories?

 

"Democrats" of those times (1824, 1876, 1880) were a vastly different group of people ideologically from the party of today. Opposite practically. Likewise Republicans. The Confederacy states were all strongly Democrat, and those happen to be the states that are most strongly Republican nowadays. I vote Democrat these days, but I don't consider the Democratic party of old times to be my party. FDR to me seems to be the start of what I consider my Democratic party.

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My mother's father and his folks were all Republicans. But granddad told me he switched to the Democrats because of people like Bob Lafollette and his kind, who really started changing things for the working man. FDR was a relative newcomer. He won because he stole the platform of the Socialist Party during a major economic depression. (Not to bring up his hanging onto office even when he was a doddering old man. Take a look at the photos of FDR "negotiating" with Stalin over Europe's fate. He virtually gave his dear "Uncle Joe" everything he wanted, overlooking the fact that Hitler and Stalin had been allies in the first years of the war. Tough shit if you lived in Central Europe. Go find a new home somewhere else)

 

From what I see going on in the States right now, it looks like Hillary is determined to run again in 4 years. If Bernie gets in her way this time, expect him to meet with an "accident". The Dems don't seem to have learned anything. :surprised:

 

p.s. As to the claims the "racists" elected Trump, it's worth noting that 7% more Black voters picked Trump than went for Romney, while 8% more Hispanics, and 9 % more Asians went Republican.Trump only picked up 1% more White voters than Romney did ... 21% to 20%. Ironically, it seems that minority votes put Trump in the White House! (Maybe many minority voters just stayed, but even if if that's the case, it means they don't like Hillary. People turned out for Obama, but they couldn't be bothered to do so for Mrs. Bill.)

 

 

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My mother's father and his folks were all Republicans. But granddad told me he switched to the Democrats because of people like Bob Lafollette and his kind, who really started changing things for the working man. FDR was a relative newcomer. He won because he stole the platform of the Socialist Party during a major economic depression. (Not to bring up his hanging onto office even when he was a doddering old man. Take a look at the photos of FDR "negotiating" with Stalin over Europe's fate. He virtually gave his dear "Uncle Joe" everything he wanted, overlooking the fact that Hitler and Stalin had been allies in the first years of the war. Tough shit if you lived in Central Europe. Go find a new home somewhere else)

 

From what I see going on in the States right now, it looks like Hillary is determined to run again in 4 years. If Bernie gets in her way this time, expect him to meet with an "accident". The Dems don't seem to have learned anything. :surprised:

 

p.s. As to the claims the "racists" elected Trump, it's worth noting that 7% more Black voters picked Trump than went for Romney, while 8% more Hispanics, and 9 % more Asians went Republican.Trump only picked up 1% more White voters than Romney did ... 21% to 20%. Ironically, it seems that minority votes put Trump in the White House! (Maybe many minority voters just stayed, but even if if that's the case, it means they don't like Hillary. People turned out for Obama, but they couldn't be bothered to do so for Mrs. Bill.)

 

 

So many movable parts to elections as big as this, you can never pin it down to one thing only. When it comes to lesser evils, I always have to vote Democratic, almost regardless who's standng up there. Fortunately we've never stood anyone there who'd give me serious pause (as I surely would have if we'd had the blue equivalent of Donald as our candidate). But she was pretty much the opposite of charismatic. I haven't felt as frustrated with the wooden-ness of our candidate since the days of Mondale and Dukakis. She got big leads in polls, but mainly when Donald was self-destructing, or after the convention. Every time she'd open a lead, it would gradually collapse. Not to mention the baggage: email server probe and Wikileaks just continuing all the way to the end. Still, I think Bill in that position would have still come out on top, and Obama too. She lacked that extra something that a good strong candidate always falls back on.

 

It was mentioned earlier that Hillary might be positioning herself for another run. No way. She's finished. A main reason the Democrats ended up with their weakest candidate since Dukakis was because they didn't have a real primary and offer voters real choices and a vetting process, to give fresh faces a chance to shine in the spotlight, which is exactly how we got Obama. Whenevery parties go with the candidate "whose turn it is", they end up losing. For Dems, that would be Mondale, Gore and Hillary. For Republicans, Dole, McCain and Romney. Sanders will be far too old to run again. Republicans will have the incumbent, so Cruz won't seem like he deserves a turn until possibly 2024, by which time 2016 will probably seem like ancient history.

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