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30 minutes ago, Mekong said:

Dangerous precedent their RM, you are saying an 85 year old such as my Father whom grew up during the bombings of Second World War, should not have been afforded a say , yet Abdul and Mohammed who have been in the country less than 5 minutes are?  

Yes, if they are entitled to vote then I don't see why Abdul and Mohammed can't vote, so long as they are British, have UK passport etc etc. At 85 it's unlikely anything your father might argue for now is relevant. With or without brexit his end of life care is unlikely to be greatly affected any more than it already is. Which by the way I happen to think it is already greatly affected thanks to incompetence in immigration going back decades.

My mother, similar age to your father, said the same thing, "Why do I need to vote, it's already too late for my lot, we're the ones who messed it up in the first place".

 

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I am not saying Abdel and Mohammed should not be allowed a vote as long as they are UK Citizens, but what you were implying is that UK Citizens over an arbitrary age should not be allowed to vote.

How does that work citizen of House A is 65 years and 1 day old not allowed to vote, yet his Neighbour in house B is 64 years and 364 days old so is?  

It is under the UK Constitution that once you reach a certain age allowed to vote, what you are suggesting is “Only those who vote how we feel are allowed a vote” ever thought of going into politics in Cambodia 

 

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I appreciate it is a "controversial" view, I'm just not convinced that those who will have to deal with longer term impact were appropriately heard. At a UK general election the term is typically 5 years so most people even of advanced age might reasonably expect to experience the benefits or failings from any given choice. Brexit is more of a "forever" deal that will only really impact several years on.

Given the nature of the question asked I think there is still a reasonable divide across the age group of say 18-70. Would the result have been the same, who knows, but I think it might have been less prejudiced by a slightly intransigent mindset prevalent among those who will say "I ate vem bluudy krauts!" or "I don't want no bleedin foreign johhnys on my patch!"

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With age comes wisdom ( in theory ). So actually it might make more sense to ban those under 30 from voting 🧐

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Nasaidai, 

When/if you feel up to it....would you kindly comment on this Areticle 13 that the EU is trying to push thru? 

From what I hear, it is an extreme form of censorship. 

Thanks! 

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Whether or not you may call this censorship depends on your point of view. It basically means that internetplatforms which publish any content that originates from their users has to be checked for violation of copyrights. Because nobody could do that by hand unless employing ten thousands of poeople they are obliged to establish automatic filters. There are exemptions for small platforms. Youtube for example shall be kept responsible if you copy and paste an article from your beloved fake press and upload it on youtube.

Article 13 is a part of a major legislation project to have publishing companies receive a share of the profits that the platforms generate by using their works .

 

This is in brief. We could use up the bandwidth of the forum to discuss this in depth .

 

Summary : facebook hates it , publishers love it

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Cavanami,
For me personally, the problem does not arise directly.
I use my own intellect.
For this I get inspiration from the best spirits that Germany has produced; composers, writers, poets, philosophers and scientists of the humanities and social sciences such as Adorno, Habermas, Luhmann, Sloterdijk ... to name but a few.
When I take over something, I also make that clear as a quotation.

I have just looked at the bill - in German - here:
https://netzpolitik.org/2018/das-eu-parlament-legt-einen-schleier-ueber-das-internet-votum-fuer-upload-filter-und-leistungsschutzrecht/
https://netzpolitik.org/2018/das-leistungsschutzrecht-ein-zombie-gesetz-aus-deutschland-wird-bald-in-ganz-europa-realitaet/

Let's wait and see.
I would only be affected to the extent that I would no longer be able to download music videos and all kinds of films etc. free of charge.
 
Buffalo Bill pointed out the real problem:
"It basically means that internetplatforms which publish any content that originates from their users has to be checked for violation of copyrights"

 

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Nasaidai, 

Thanks for your feedback. 

Like Herr Bubi explained, is what I was thinking. 

The biggest downside would be the bandwidth that would be eaten with the filters. 

Cheers! 

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