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Steve, I think I can remember these aspects, of the effects of the virus, being noted quite early on in the piece. i.e. if infected and one doesn't die, commonly, the ongoing health effects can range from minor to very serious life changing outcomes.

I think you are prescient to post the link to the article, as I reckon we are now at a point in the collective consciousness, where the binary thinkers amongst us, will be receptive to a reality that is not purely "got virus and died" and "got virus and recovered".

They now may be able to see there's a range of injury and issues that can also include debilitation.

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At least the ladies in the vid have had time to work on their eyebrows...

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Sorry for the long post but this seemed interesting. I have no medical knowledge so you can make up your own minds as to the veracity of the information.  

 

The following was sent to me by a dear friend. From all I've read and seen about this mess it seems reasonable enough to me. Please don't shoot the messenger.

FINALLY SOME ENCOURAGING NEWS ON THE FIGHT AGAINST COVID 19

A professor of pharmacy at U of Toronto sent this clearly worded update to his family.

For this pandemic there's a greater chance of survival for those getting infected 3 months later, like June 2020, than those who got infected 3 months earlier, say February 2020. The reason for this is that Doctors and scientists know more about COVID-19 now than 3 months ago, and hence are able to treat patients better. I will list *5 important things* that we know now that we didn't know in February 2020 for your understanding.

1. COVID-19 was initially thought to cause deaths due to *pneumonia- a lung infection*- and so Ventilators were thought to be the best way to treat sick patients who couldn't breathe. *Now we are realizing that the virus causes blood clots in the blood vessels of the lungs* and other parts of the body; and this causes the reduced oxygenation. Now we know that just providing oxygen by ventilators will not help, but we have to prevent and dissolve the micro clots in the lungs. This is why we are using drugs like *Aspirin and Heparin (blood thinners that prevent clotting) as protocol in treatment regimens in June 2020.

2. Previously patients used to drop dead on the road, or even before reaching a hospital, due to reduced oxygen in their blood - OXYGEN SATURATION. This was because of *HAPPY HYPOXIA*- where even though the oxygen saturation was gradually reducing the COVID-19, patients did not have symptoms until it became critically less, like sometimes even 70%. **Normally we become breathless if oxygen saturation reduces below 90%. **This breathlessness is not triggered in Covid patients, and so we were getting the sick patients very late to the hospitals, in February 2020. Now, since knowing about happy hypoxia, we are monitoring oxygen saturation of all covid patients *with a simple home use pulse oximeter and getting them to hospital if their oxygen saturation drops to 93% or less*. This gives more time for doctors to correct the oxygen deficiency in the blood and a better survival chance in June 2020.

3. We did not have drugs to fight the corona virus in February 2020. We were only treating the complications caused by it... hypoxia. Hence most patients became severely infected. ```**Now we have 2 important medicines: FAVIPIRAVIR & REMDESIVIR**``` These are ANTIVIRALS that can kill the corona virus. By using these two medicines we can prevent patients from becoming severely infected and therefore cure them BEFORE THEY GO TO HYPOXIA. This knowledge we have in JUNE 2020... not in February 2020.

4. Many Covid-19 patients die not just because of the virus, but also due the patient's own immune system responding In an exaggerated manner called *CYTOKINE STORM*. This stormy strong immune response not only kills the virus but also kills the patients. In February 2020, we didn't know how to prevent it from happening. Now in June 2020, we know that *easily available medicines called Steroids,* that doctors around the world have been using for almost 80 years, *can be used to prevent the cytokine storm in some patients*.

5. Now we also know that people with hypoxia became better just by making them lie down on their belly - known as prone position. Apart from this, a few days ago, Israeli scientists have discovered that a chemical known as Alpha Defensin, produced by the patients White blood cells, can cause the micro clots in blood vessels of the lungs; and this could possibly be prevented by a drug called Colchicine, used over many decades in the treatment of Gout. So now we know for sure that patients have a better chance at surviving the COVID-19 infection, in June 2020, than in February 2020, for sure. Going forward, there's nothing to panic about Covid-19 - if we remember that a person who gets infected later, has a better chance at survival, than one who got infected early. Let's continue to follow precautions, wear masks and practise social distancing.

 
 
 
 

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I have to think, at some stage, letting it out and stop trying to boarder it in will happen

It'll kill a lot of old people like us on this board,

Some younger people and people with chronic illness

However that will help the younger generation in two way

1 - The economy will get going again

2 - Without a large older population it becomes easier to support those who are old, Japan struggles to sustain it's very old population, all of the countries with higher GDP's are getting older people at the top, less at the bottom.

Sweden, more deaths in a year than the famine in the 1860's but no second wave.

Charlotte Mortlock: Coronavirus has given us the ...

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On 8/24/2020 at 1:13 AM, My Penis is hungry said:

It'll kill a lot of old people like us on this board

Oi, speak for yourself, I resemble that remark! 😉

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On 8/23/2020 at 8:13 PM, My Penis is hungry said:

Sweden, more deaths in a year than the famine in the 1860's but no second wave.

... because Sweden is still in its 1st wave. :neener:

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Well - have a good look at the graphs, I think they pretty much killed of all those susceptible that could be reached, as people become susceptible, they'll die or get very sick,

I was very anti Sweden and USA but I have to think, they may end up being right and get their economy on track first along with China - China has already opened borders to a few countries and requires no 14 isolation on arrival. (god forbid Trump being right about anything)

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On 8/26/2020 at 3:55 AM, My Penis is hungry said:

Well - have a good look at the graphs, I think they pretty much killed of all those susceptible that could be reached, as people become susceptible, they'll die or get very sick,

I was very anti Sweden and USA but I have to think, they may end up being right and get their economy on track first along with China - China has already opened borders to a few countries and requires no 14 isolation on arrival. (god forbid Trump being right about anything)

Which proves again that a brief look at the statistics means nothing. This virus is a long distance runner and shall keep us buzy for a while. Upcoming good results  on the vaccination field do only exist in Trump´s unscrupulous brain, it might take years.

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No one yet has done a COVID19 vaccine, it's one of a number of viruses in the COVID family, we are stuck with this like it or not, bring it on, most on this list will probably not fair well, but I'd rather an economic future for my kids than me being old in a boring place

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