zzzz 40 Posted December 26, 2020 Report Share Posted December 26, 2020 There’s a YouTube video of a guy playing violin while intubated with Covid. I had decided not to be intubated if I ever caught Covid. Now I’m having second thoughts. Link to post Share on other sites
buffalo_bill 292 Posted December 27, 2020 Report Share Posted December 27, 2020 Switzerland , fairly lazy so far with Covid-restrictions however decided that somel Uk tourists due to the late version of the virus had to pass a 10 day quarantine . Meaning for example a family 4 days in a hotel so far had to spend another 6 in one room with children , pets and grandfather samesame Thai style. Next morning of about 430 subjects involved only 12 could be found in the rooms. The other ones had left the building. Well done, folks. I am with you. Link to post Share on other sites
zzzz 40 Posted December 27, 2020 Report Share Posted December 27, 2020 https://onemileatatime.com/american-teen-jailed-violating-quarantine/ An American teen was jailed recently in the Cayman Island for violating quarantine, not like Switzerland. Link to post Share on other sites
passingthru69 42 Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 Yes, and then her snowflake mom, I believe was wanting Trump to try and intervine. Said the punishment was to hard...give me a break. She broke the rules and knew what she was doing. Oh I tested neg. Before, I will be ok. Link to post Share on other sites
zzzz 40 Posted December 31, 2020 Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 For some diseases, the treatment is worse than the disease, itself. Medical error is the third leading cause of death in the US, behind cancer and heart disease. It looks like the death rates for people with Covid is about 3%. If death rates of untreated people with Covid is less than that from medical errors, then the treatment is worse than the disease. Has anyone seen any data regarding death rates of untreated vs. treated people with Covid and death rates from medical errors? Link to post Share on other sites
Coss 931 Posted December 31, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 Which brings a question to the fore : If someone is likely to die, do I stand there and watch? or do I try to prevent it? Link to post Share on other sites
baa99 189 Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 8 hours ago, zzzz said: For some diseases, the treatment is worse than the disease, itself. Medical error is the third leading cause of death in the US, behind cancer and heart disease. ... Do you have a cite for this? What I see is that accidents (vehicular, falls, drowning, etc.) is the 3rd leading cause of death. https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/are-medical-errors-really-the-third-most-common-cause-of-death-in-the-u-s-2019-edition/ The claim that medical errors are the third leading cause of death in the US has always rested on very shaky evidence; yet it’s become common wisdom that is cited as though everyone accepts it. But if estimates of 250,000 to 400,000 deaths due to medical error are way too high, what is the real number? A study published last month suggests that it’s almost certainly a lot lower and has been modestly decreasing since 1990. Link to post Share on other sites
Coss 931 Posted January 2 Author Report Share Posted January 2 it would seem that Sweden's approach has resulted in, only delaying the inevitable. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/sweden-crisis-worsens-after-its-anti-lockdown-stance-proven-a-failure/SSQ4IDZ5UPTHMDWE3753KB43LU/ the following graph is lockdown levels. Link to post Share on other sites
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