Torneyboy Posted December 13, 2002 Report Share Posted December 13, 2002 pissed off? Yes your correct in that. They are given so much from the government ,and employement opportunities(they get first refusals). But to finish..we object to the vast amounts when many in the bush are in deep S**t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lazyphil Posted December 13, 2002 Report Share Posted December 13, 2002 In Germany its against the law to deny the Jewish holocaust, for a good reason. I suppose from an Aussie pickup truck outlook the Aboriginal issue is really just a pain in the ass that wont go away. It was just progress I guess through the eyes of many Aussies-that is the annihilation of Aboriginal culture, imagine the uproar if we say that of Hitler or Molosivics carry on was described as such? progress that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spirit_of_town_hall Posted December 16, 2002 Report Share Posted December 16, 2002 Very interesting, as you know in London there are a lot of Australians on working Visa's or ancestery Visa's. I have only ever seen one half aborigine girl that has made it across. Chatting to Australian colleages they echo pretty much what you have stated, that they have a genetic predisposition to alcoholism and enjoy inhaling petrol. I have however seen quite a few Maori's, they are quite distinctive , moon like face. They appear quite capable and are well represented in sport. Surpisingly I have been told though that New Zealand is a pretty violent place, no less than three Australians have told me that the North Island in particular is a pretty wild place; this surprised me I thought NZ was like Britain 50 years ago!! STH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 16, 2002 Report Share Posted December 16, 2002 <... Which makes me think how hypocrytical us Brits were in our colonial days, you know-not speaking the local lingo Indian, Adoriginal Oz/North America etc etc.> Not all you Brits were quite that "bad". Some Brits compiled dictionaries of local Indian languages, some investigated deeply into Hinduism, many married Indian women (at least as "mia-nois"), and after all you guys have taken up many words from the Indian Subcontinent. Here's just a few: Curry, bungalow, veranda, shampoo, thug, loot, juggernaut, punch (as in the drink), ganja, jungle, vindaloo (a dish hardly anyone in India knows, except in Goa), and dozens of others (more or less well-known). The saying "I don't give a damn" is supposed to be derived from the "dam", which at one time was the smallest Indian coin. So, don't worry, the Subcontinent is right with you! Cheers and Namaste! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torneyboy Posted December 16, 2002 Report Share Posted December 16, 2002 Another part of the problems is fullblood. the fullbloods get verything on a silver platter. And how to prove it is a minefield for the government. Also take a touristy place like cairns in north queensland..out side the pubs they sit on the sidewalk waiting for them to open and cash their welfare cheques and buy up on hooch! Tourist have to step over them it is very disturbing for some a s some of these men and women can get obusive and leaves a bad taste for visitiors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobbledonk Posted December 17, 2002 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2002 OK - I think we can put the anti-Abo sentiment to bed, guys. We all know that the mods have strict rules on this issue, so lets just leave it at 'some aboriginals give their people a bad name'. American members may recognize the tragedy of the Australian aboriginal in the fate of their own native people : sadly, ours cant open Casinos, risky business ventures that they are inOz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spirit_of_town_hall Posted December 17, 2002 Report Share Posted December 17, 2002 Casinos arent risky venture, they always make money. I dont know if the red indians in America actually run the place or whether they just take the money from the licence fee. STH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobbledonk Posted December 17, 2002 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2002 My understanding is that they do, indeed, run the establishments, albeit with the help of consultants. More importantly, they provide work for the surrounding community, and the money is funneled into schools and facilities for native American people. STH, I dont think I've heard the term 'Red Indian' since about 1975. The word 'Indian' is a reflection of how seriously lost Colombus was : he thought he was somewhere on the Subcontinent. These people, just like our Aboriginals, survived in perfect harmony with their environment for thousands of years, then the white man arrived and trashed all that in less than a century. We cant give them their culture back, but we can avoid the John Wayne symbolism. Re the Maori : they are a magnificent race. To my knowledge, few native civilisations have been able to resist the arrival of white settlement for any length of time : the Maori had the strength to do so (a remarkable feat, given that they initially lacked the musket), and the wisdom to sign a treaty when the time was right. The Treaty of Waitangi (sp?) has been a thorn in Pakeha sides ever since. A large part of their cultural heritage remains intact today, although I am not sure how many Maoris are 'full-blood' anymore. Very few would deny their heritage, regardless of how much or how little Maori blood flowed through their veins : I'm not sure that the same can be said of part-Aboriginal people in Oz. I dont think of them as being 'round-faced' (that would be the Islanders of Samoa, Tonga etc). They do have a reputation for violence, but I've yet to meet one who will start a fight without provocation, unlike certain yobboes here in Oz. The exception may be the street gangs in Auckland - thankfully, I have no first-hand experience of this. If you do find yourself in a potential confrontation with a Maori, my advice is to apologise and slowly walk away - you'll save on hospital bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bembaman Posted January 2, 2003 Report Share Posted January 2, 2003 Sorry everyone, my mistake: I thought for one silly moment I was in the regional Sanuk section but I'm obviously not. Moderators-is this thread remotely about sanuk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotover Posted January 2, 2003 Report Share Posted January 2, 2003 "I dont know if the red indians in America actually run the place or whether they just take the money from the licence fee." The Cherokee Indian casino in North Carolina is run by the white devils (Ballys) and the natives just collect a nice fee every year. When it opened, a lot of residents were checking their ancestoral records and putting in claims for the royalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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