Usa Thread

[short-time]

The difference in murder rates between other developed countries compared to the US is indeed shocking. If those AI statistics mentioned are accurate then we are more than an order of magnitude higher. I would think the availability of firearms in the US is a major factor but not the only one…The US multi-centric culture of violence might be a bigger factor... hard to say.

To get back to the original issue of members here having no interest in visiting the USA – hell, it is perfectly understandable with what the Donald has done to America and the world with his licensed-to-kill ICE warriors, militarized police and endless threats of American expansionism and exceptionalism. With the West discarding the rules-based-system along with Magna Carta and habeas corpus it has returned to the darkest and most depraved age of Empire where the only rule left is the rule of the jungle.

[Coss]

>>> where the only rule left is the rule of the jungle.

...or the judges...

...all of this could be transitory, we could be seeing, that which could, in the short term, lead to ruin and destruction, but over the medium term, doesn't.

[short-time]

1 hour ago, Coss said:

...all of this could be transitory, we could be seeing, that which could, in the short term, lead to ruin and destruction, but over the medium term, doesn't.

It is hard to see how that might happen. Unfortunately, the idea that this nightmare with a madman in the Whitehouse will somehow work its self out for the better seems like magical thinking to me – maybe more like prayer. Some say there is now no going back to the way things used to be after Trump. Starting to look like the West may have run its course and is now broke and self-destructing. Once again, it’s hard to say what is coming but it appears things are accelerating to some kind of grand-finally showdown between the Zionist West and the rest of the world. The most likely result: probably the long overdue WWIII.

[bust]

Gun-related deaths are a fixture in American life and there were 12.09 deaths per 100,000 people, according to 2019 data from gunpolicy.org. For Australia, the rate was 0.90 per 100,000 people showing the significant contrast between the two countries.

Statistically, dementia, including Alzheimer's is the largest cause of death in Oz

[Old Hippie]

6 hours ago, short-time said:

The difference in murder rates between other developed countries compared to the US is indeed shocking. If those AI statistics mentioned are accurate then we are more than an order of magnitude higher. I would think the availability of firearms in the US is a major factor but not the only one…The US multi-centric culture of violence might be a bigger factor... hard to say.

To get back to the original issue of members here having no interest in visiting the USA – hell, it is perfectly understandable with what the Donald has done to America and the world with his licensed-to-kill ICE warriors, militarized police and endless threats of American expansionism and exceptionalism. With the West discarding the rules-based-system along with Magna Carta and habeas corpus it has returned to the darkest and most depraved age of Empire where the only rule left is the rule of the jungle.

To a point regarding the “availability of guns” in the USA. Yes, very easy, but interesting to note, there is only 1 gun store in Mexico and it is damned near impossible to get a gun there legally. Yet, the rate of violence involving firearms is extremely high. If one wanted to play on this, one *COULD* argue that the death rate per gun in actually lower in the USA than it is in Mexico. If you wanted to compare that to legal guns, even higher rate in Mexico… just saying about stats…

[Old Hippie]

5 hours ago, Coss said:

>>> where the only rule left is the rule of the jungle.

...or the judges...

...all of this could be transitory, we could be seeing, that which could, in the short term, lead to ruin and destruction, but over the medium term, doesn't.

I think dumpy diapers has put the USA on a bad path and very quickly set us on a path to ruin…we have alienated all our allies, ruined long held trade agreements, pushing our “friends” into the hands of our enemies, causing ruin to what few American exports we have, set the stock market and thus economy on it’s head/ass (one is up the other) driven a divide like never before, embraced and empowered the racists movements etc…I don’t think it will be short term either…gonna take years to reset this, if we can…

[Coss]

9 hours ago, Old Hippie said:

I think dumpy diapers has put the USA on a bad path and very quickly set us on a path to ruin…we have alienated all our allies, ruined long held trade agreements, pushing our “friends” into the hands of our enemies, causing ruin to what few American exports we have, set the stock market and thus economy on it’s head/ass (one is up the other) driven a divide like never before, embraced and empowered the racists movements etc…I don’t think it will be short term either…gonna take years to reset this, if we can…

I'm more optimistic

I think that the good people of America will rise above this.

A/. ...currently the smoking gun for Trump is not just in the Epstein files, but in the minds and private files of many, many, people. At the moment, people are playing by the rules for self preservation, but there will be be one child shot, one gazillion bribe too many and one video of paedo activity, too far and it'll all come out, hell or high water.

B/. look at Colbert's issues with - censorship of James Talarico - some are raising their middle finger. All Talarico said was "Trump is worried that we'll (Talarico) flip Texas."  PBS

C/. Money and the elite will endeavour to triumph - but history is replete with potholes and washouts, in that road. if you step back from the dumpster fire that is Trump, and view from a safe distance, he's toast.

 

[short-time]

10 hours ago, Old Hippie said:

To a point regarding the “availability of guns” in the USA. Yes, very easy, but interesting to note, there is only 1 gun store in Mexico and it is damned near impossible to get a gun there legally. Yet, the rate of violence involving firearms is extremely high. If one wanted to play on this, one *COULD* argue that the death rate per gun in actually lower in the USA than it is in Mexico. If you wanted to compare that to legal guns, even higher rate in Mexico… just saying about stats…

Latin America, from our southern border with Mexico throughout the Caribbean and all the way down to Buenos Aires has a murder rate much higher than the US has ever seen and it’s rarely mentioned since all these countries are considered third-world. I had mentioned this in a previous post but deleted it prior to posting since it obviously had racist implications… Also, Africa has a very high murder rate as does India which additionally has a very high incidence of gang-rapes, if I’m not mistaken (again, this must be a cultural thing).

I’m not so sure firearms are all that difficult to obtain in Mexico, you just don’t purchase them in stores... Seems the ATF, back in 2005-2011 had an operation going called “Fast and Furious” where unknown tens of thousands of guns, mostly of the AK assault variety were  purchased by the ATF then smuggled into Mexico to distribute amongst the drug cartel gangs (the guns are still there but what happened to the profits??). It’s just another in a long and continuing list of US-GOVT law enforcement sponsored brain-storm schemes gone wildly wrong. This one was at least as embarrassing as Regan’s Iran Contra boondoggle decades earlier. I’ll stop here and will only mention the ATF Ruby Ridge incident and the Waco diabolical with all those dead children... Also, I read the murder rate in Mexico is 3x that of the US for what its worth.

Just one more thought – guns don’t kill people, people kill people. I myself own four handguns. Three 9mm, and my big-gun a S&W 45 auto. I bought each of them new yet I’ve never fired a single round in any of them – despite the fact I have a large stock of ammo… I keep meaning to go out shooting but never seem to get around to it. Not to be misunderstood, I have of course done my share of shooting in the more distant past, but I’ve never shot anyone or shot at anyone. Hope I never have to. Almost forgot, I also have maybe 10 air guns mostly of the CO2 variety (not considered firearms here though).

[Coss]

9 minutes ago, short-time said:

rarely mentioned since all these countries are considered third-world.

I would suggest that here we are discussing things to do with the USA, in the context of 1st world liberal democracies, 

9 minutes ago, short-time said:

guns don’t kill people, people kill people.

I reckon that's true, but that our societal control over the people who are:  a/. stupid,  b/. lack self control,  c/. think that they are better than other and will use force to assert that view, -  is weak enough, that we could deny them guns, rather that allow them to shoot anyone they like...

[Coss]

I heard something today, a view, that may bear fruit ::

Epstein was a gifted, personality, also grifter, paedo and blackmailer who amassed  enough "Kompromat" by honey trapping HiSo and other elite folk, that, in a convoluted game, he became very powerful - ish.

Donald was close enough (best friend) and smart? enough, to see this and think that he was in the same league, and managed to manipulate events after the suicide of Epstein, to try to assume Epstein's mantle.

You can see this in the way that Donald tries to bully opponents, thinking that he controls Epstein's "Kompromat" Library.

This would explain ::

Why so many Institutions, Large companies etc etc have caved and paid him mega dollars.

Why  Les Wexner would sign over his vast fortune to Epstein.

The outlier is Putin who Donald cannot bully, prolly because Putin has Kompromat on Donald...

 

Interesting times