Israel-Gaza

[Coss]

6 hours ago, Old Hippie said:

Then we kill them just to be sure…

And then we dig 'em up and put 'em all through a grinder, fertiliser, lovely.

[bust]

Not a fan at all of Piers Morgan however I did watch an interview with Norman Finkelstein and Benny Morris.

Benny Morgan grinned like a Cheshire Cat every time the dying and starving children was mentioned.

Morgan raised the point of how the IDF strategy has failed and should be considered as one of the worst military failures in history and compared it to the successful Hezbollah attack where all the pagers simultaneously exploded.

Norman Finkelstein rejected Morgan's comment and claimed the complete opposite was evident. Sure all the hostages have not been released but 90% of housing in Gaza has been destroyed, 80% of infrastructure destroyed, 60-70% of all hospitals destroyed, 60-70% of all schools destroyed and on it went. He believes Netanyahu's objective is to make Gaza so uninhabitable the Palestinians will have no choice. It is also why the food relief depots have been strategically located closer to the borders with neighboring countries. This is Israel's plan of controlling aid distribution through blockades in the north to drive most of the population out of the area thus making it difficult for them to return. It's like a cattle drive to them.

He also raised the disgusting practice of using Palestinian children for target practice by IDF troops, something that has been brought up often by humanitarian agencies. I once worked with a former IDF member who confirmed it's common practice and has been for decades. Again Benny Morris laughed it off.

His final point was how many rats are jumping of the "sinking ship" namely Isreal.

As I have said before "Pack of C#nts"

[Coss]

12 hours ago, bust said:

grinned like a Cheshire Cat

A behaviour noted earlier, in reference to Netanyahu and seemingly, commonly exhibited, by people in positions of authority, from Israel.

I also saw this in the movie Tantura, that I referenced and thought as I saw it, that it's PR training from the Israel establishment, "smiling at distressing situations" to show that there's nothing wrong...

As you say and I agree, "Pack of C#nts"

[bust]

Palestinians gunned down while trying to reach food aid site in Gaza, hospital says

Witnesses say Israeli forces opened fire on people near distribution point run by Israel-backed foundation. More than 30 Palestinians were killed by Israeli fire on Sunday as they went to receive food at an aid distribution point set up by an Israeli-backed foundation in Gaza, according to witnesses, and a hospital run by the Red Cross confirming it was treating many wounded.

Witnesses said Israeli forces had opened fire as Palestinians headed toward the aid distribution site in Rafah run by the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF).

“My brother went to receive aid from the American distribution points in Rafah when the bullets started raining down on them,” Yarin Abu al-Naja, 44, said. “The Israeli soldiers had started shooting at the people there. My brother went with two of his friends. One of them was critically injured in the head, the other was killed, and my brother was shot in the back.”

“He was transported to the hospital by a donkey cart – no ambulances can reach the area, and there were dozens of injured and dead,” Naja added. “We saw him placed on the ground. There were no available beds due to the large number of casualties and dead arriving from the same location. The scenes were horrific – people missing limbs, hands or legs, others decapitated, or with open abdomens.”

Media reports said dozens of people were being treated at the hospital after the latest incident at the controversial site in Rafah. Officials at the field hospital did not say who opened fire but added that another 175 people were wounded.

Bodies of Palestinians being brought to Nasser hospital after Israeli soldiers opened fire on people trying to reach aid points. Photograph: Abdallah F.s. Alattar/ Anadolu/Getty Images

The International Committee of the Red Cross said (ICRC) its field hospital in Rafah received a “mass casualty influx” of 179 people, 21 of whom were declared dead upon arrival. “All patients said they had been trying to reach an aid distribution site,” the ICRC added, describing it as “the highest number of weapon-wounded in a single incident since the establishment of the field hospital over a year ago”.

Local health authorities said at least 31 of the dead were taken to Nasser hospital.

The Red Crescent also reported a further 14 Palestinians were injured near a separate aid distribution site in central Gaza.

The Israeli forces denied “firing at civilians”. However, an Israel Defense Forces official admitted that Israeli soldiers fired “warning shots toward several suspects who advanced toward the troops on Saturday”, near the aid distribution site, without specifying who the suspects were.

The Israeli-backed aid foundation claimed that it delivered aid “without incident” early on Sunday and has denied previous accounts of gunfire around its sites, which are in Israeli military zones where independent access is limited.

Israeli forces had given orders that no one should approach the hub before 6am local time. Multiple witnesses said people had begun lining up from 5am, and dozens were said to have surged forward and started running towards it. When the crowds reached the Flag Roundabout, about 0.6 miles (1km) away, Israeli forces started shooting at the crowd, witnesses said.

“I went with my brother Shuhada to get food for our children,” Hani Baraka, 43, said. ‘‘The area was very crowded. At the start, a quadcopter drone came and gave orders, saying it was still too early to open the gates and that they would open them at 6am. It seems people moved forward earlier than the time set by the army. The soldiers panicked and began firing at the crowd. My brother was shot in the head and killed instantly.”

“On its way back, the drone hit a hanging wire and fell to the ground,” Baraka added. “People rushed toward it, and then the Israeli soldiers opened fire on us. Army snipers surrounded the area and started shooting at the crowd.”

The GHF has hired private security firms, but according to witnesses, the private contractors did not open fire on the crowd.

“Inside the gate, there were armed American soldiers, but they did not fire at us,” Baraka said. “They only threw plastic stun grenades in the square to scare people and clear the area once the aid ran out.”

Reuters footage showed ambulance vehicles carrying injured people to Nasser hospital. Other clips emerged showing people running and ducking, with apparent gunfire audible in the background. One piece of footage seems to have been filmed in the Salah al-Din Road, just south of an aid distribution site in the Netzarim corridor.

Doctors at Nasser hospital reported chaotic scenes, with dozens of bodies being brought in Bodies of Palestinians arrive at Nasser hospital. “The situation in the hospital is catastrophic, due to the massacre of the hungry in Rafah city, near the aid distribution centre,” said Dr Marwan al-Hams, 53, a medic in the emergency department at Nasser hospital. “Most injuries were shot in the upper parts of the body – the head, chest, and abdomen – as the Israeli army was reportedly firing from high altitudes using aircraft or quadcopters. A witness on the scene said that shots were also fired from a crane and from tanks.”

The hub is part of a controversial new aid system.

On 28 May, Hamas accused Israel of killing at least three Palestinians and wounding 46 near one of the GHF’s distribution sites, an accusation the group denied. The Israeli military said its troops fired warning shots in the area outside the compound to re-establish control as thousands of Palestinians rushed to an aid distribution site.

Israel imposed a blockade on all supplies in March, saying Hamas was seizing deliveries for its fighters, which the group denies. Earlier this month, a global hunger monitor said half a million people in the strip faced starvation.

The IPC estimated that nearly 71,000 children under the age of five were expected to be “acutely malnourished”, with 14,100 cases expected to be severe in the next 11 months.

The UN and other humanitarian organisations have rejected the new system for food distribution, saying it would not be able to meet the needs of Gaza’s 2.3 million people and allowed Israel to use food as a weapon to control the population.

The latest incident took place as Hamas and Israel exchanged blame over a faltering effort to secure a ceasefire.

Hamas said on Saturday it was seeking amendments to a US-backed ceasefire proposal, but Donald Trump’s envoy Steve Witkoff rejected the group’s response as “totally unacceptable”.

Reuters and Associated Press contributed to this report

[Coss]

The last bit of the  above post appears to be, to me,  negatively spaced, and lines overlapping.

I've copied and stripped the formatting and reposted below:

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Doctors at Nasser hospital reported chaotic Bodies of Palestinians arrive at Nasser hospital.scenes, with dozens of bodies being brought in Bodies of Palestinians arrive at Nasser hospital. “The situation in the hospital is catastrophic, due to the massacre of the hungry in Rafah city, near the aid distribution centre,” said Dr Marwan al-Hams, 53, a medic in the emergency department at Nasser hospital. “Most injuries were shot in the upper parts of the body – the head, chest, and abdomen – as the Israeli army was reportedly firing from high altitudes using aircraft or quadcopters. A witness on the scene said that shots were also fired from a crane and from tanks.”
The hub is part of a controversial new aid system.

On 28 May, Hamas accused Israel of killing at least three Palestinians and wounding 46 near one of the GHF’s distribution sites, an accusation the group denied. The Israeli military said its troops fired warning shots in the area outside the compound to re-establish control as thousands of Palestinians rushed to an aid distribution site.

Israel imposed a blockade on all supplies in March, saying Hamas was seizing deliveries for its fighters, which the group denies. Earlier this month, a global hunger monitor said half a million people in the strip faced starvation.

The IPC estimated that nearly 71,000 children under the age of five were expected to be “acutely malnourished”, with 14,100 cases expected to be severe in the next 11 months.

The UN and other humanitarian organisations have rejected the new system for food distribution, saying it would not be able to meet the needs of Gaza’s 2.3 million people and allowed Israel to use food as a weapon to control the population.

The latest incident took place as Hamas and Israel exchanged blame over a faltering effort to secure a ceasefire.

Hamas said on Saturday it was seeking amendments to a US-backed ceasefire proposal, but Donald Trump’s envoy Steve Witkoff rejected the group’s response as “totally unacceptable”.

Reuters and Associated Press contributed to this report
 

[bust]

Yeah I saw that but had no idea how it happened and how to fix it.

Thanks 🙏

Can clearly see what a pack of C#nts they are

[Old Hippie]

On 5/29/2025 at 2:42 PM, bust said:

Not a fan at all of Piers Morgan however I did watch an interview with Norman Finkelstein and Benny Morris.

Benny Morgan grinned like a Cheshire Cat every time the dying and starving children was mentioned.

Morgan raised the point of how the IDF strategy has failed and should be considered as one of the worst military failures in history and compared it to the successful Hezbollah attack where all the pagers simultaneously exploded.

Norman Finkelstein rejected Morgan's comment and claimed the complete opposite was evident. Sure all the hostages have not been released but 90% of housing in Gaza has been destroyed, 80% of infrastructure destroyed, 60-70% of all hospitals destroyed, 60-70% of all schools destroyed and on it went. He believes Netanyahu's objective is to make Gaza so uninhabitable the Palestinians will have no choice. It is also why the food relief depots have been strategically located closer to the borders with neighboring countries. This is Israel's plan of controlling aid distribution through blockades in the north to drive most of the population out of the area thus making it difficult for them to return. It's like a cattle drive to them.

He also raised the disgusting practice of using Palestinian children for target practice by IDF troops, something that has been brought up often by humanitarian agencies. I once worked with a former IDF member who confirmed it's common practice and has been for decades. Again Benny Morris laughed it off.

His final point was how many rats are jumping of the "sinking ship" namely Isreal.

As I have said before "Pack of C#nts"

  How do you respond to 1) *MAYBE* Hamas is in fact hindering aid relief to gain international support 2) This never would have happened and gotten so bad it 2A)Hamas gave up sooner 2B) Hamas never started this shit by launching their attack..? 3)Hamas picked a fight it knew it couldn’t win and is getting more of an ass kicking than they presumed and the rest of the world really doesn’t give a shit about them any more than it gives a shit about Israel…discuss…

[bust]

Hamas are as fucked up as the IDF however as always the innocent pay the price. My understanding is Gaza and the West Bank were once Palestinian territories. Maybe wrong but regardless Norman makes a good point.

[Coss]

I reckon that  " 2B) Hamas never started this shit by launching their attack..?  "  is obviously the proximate cause of the current situation.

And that no matter how bad, my life is, and my friend's and family's, I'm not gonna attack and take hostages of the avowed enemy, who live next door and who are by far and away superior in number, cruelty and capability. 

On both sides :: Where's your god now?  Show me the bit in the Tanakh or the Koran where your respective gods say, that your hatred is more important than these children? see below - 

 

 

Some may think that politicians are a necessary evil.

I reckon they are the cause of evil, smiling evil.

If other countries can get along, maybe it's time the world, took these two out the back, and admonished them. (assumes that Netanyahu prick is in control and that the Hamas prick, though dead is replaced by a similar smiling prick)

 

  

 

[Old Hippie]

On 6/4/2025 at 2:59 PM, bust said:

Hamas are as fucked up as the IDF however as always the innocent pay the price. My understanding is Gaza and the West Bank were once Palestinian territories. Maybe wrong but regardless Norman makes a good point.

As I understand it, “Palestine” says this is their land…they say it is all theirs  “from the river to the sea” but Gaza for the saker of this discussion…anyway, Israel says, you started shit, we won and the land is the spoil of war so to speak as in, it is ours now, pick another fight so we can build even more settlements in violation of treaties…so ham-us keeps picking fights…. 

     My understanding of the Middle East goes as follows, the Muslims all hate one another for various reasons, geographic, oil disputes, Sunni vs shite etc… HOWEVER, Thye do agree on 2 things, palestians are the dog shit of the Arab world and 2 they hate Jews…so they all claim the Palestinian cause while simultaneously hating/refusing to really help/take in/aide etc “Palestine.”  Ham-us is funded by Iran and the Arab world (Persians do want to be lumped in with that group, reminds me of an old joke, “how do you tell a Persian from an Arab? Just say are the same and the guy who screams first is the Persian,” but I digress…) They will all fun ham-us and hisballs to allah, but how many of those “fighters” are even “Palestinian?” My understanding is, very few… ALL those countries treat Palestinians like shit and don’t really care how many of them and their children die as long as they can scream about it…I say fuck them all. This all I know about it, hope you all now feel more intellectually enlightened.