vaccine refusal

[Coss]

"US, - hard-core vaccine refusal is now at 7% of the population"

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I'm not wanting to start a vaccine discussion per se, I merely want to note that in 2025, the above quote is a reality.

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For those of us who know about vaccines - carry on.

For those of us who prefer to be non vaccine - get your alternative treatment here.

[Stickman]

I'd say in your native New Zealand that way more than 7% are anti-vaccine.

Why pick on the US suggesting only 7% are enlightened? No need to pick on the other 93% of the US population.

[Coss]

I prolly agree with you about the NZ rate, I disagree with you about picking on the USA. I merely relay information posted elsewhere.

And I disagree with your assertion that the USA are 7% enlightened. Unless you think that the promotion of measles and covid deaths et al, are beneficial enlightened acts.

For the avoidance of doubt

I think that the headline that, "7% of the USA are vaccine refusers", means that those people do not want to have vaccines.

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For the avoidance of doubt - here below NZ and Oz commentary:

Hard-Core Vaccine Refusal Rates: US vs. New Zealand and Australia

United States:

The headline figure is that hard-core vaccine refusal stands at 7% of the US population.

New Zealand:

The most recent detailed reporting indicates that about 6% of parents nationally are rejecting scheduled childhood vaccinations, which is a close equivalent to the US figure.

This rate can be much higher in specific communities (e.g., up to 44% in Takaka), but the national average remains around 6%.

Other data points to a rising trend in vaccine declines: at the 8-month childhood vaccination milestone, the rate of parents coded as “declines” increased from 3.6% to 5.3% between 2016 and 2018.

While these figures focus on childhood vaccines, they are commonly used as a proxy for broader vaccine refusal trends in the population.

Australia:

Australia’s overall vaccination rates remain high, with over 95% of the eligible population fully vaccinated for COVID-19 and childhood immunisation rates above 90% in most areas.

However, some communities in Western Australia have up to 10% of infants not fully vaccinated, and certain areas (e.g., parts of Queensland, Adelaide, Fremantle, Noosa, Bankstown) have seen MMR coverage drop below 90%.

There is no precise national figure for hard-core vaccine refusal, but available data suggests it is likely below the US rate and similar to or slightly lower than New Zealand’s, around 5–6% in most regions.

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Once again I'm not trying to start an anti/pro vaccine argument.

I do have the issues noted above, with your words "Why pick on the US suggesting only 7% are enlightened? ".

again:

• I'm not picking on the USA, I'm just relaying information
• I believe that people who refuse vaccines are not enlightened.

[Stickman]

My thoughts on vaccines can be summarised as follows:

- Some vaccines that have been around for a long time have been proven to be effective and are safe.

- Some vaccines that have not been around for so long and were rushed to the market have been shown to be not particularly effective and their safety profile may not be great / what is expected.

- If you're not in great health / lead an unhealthy lifestyle / are old / infirmed / have underlying health conditions then there are certain vaccines which you might be best advised to take.

- If you're in good health, lead a healthy lifestyle and are not old or in a high-risk group, then certain vaccines may not be necessary.

As someone who exercises daily, has an excellent diet, leads a very healthy lifestyle and fills in nutritional gaps with high-quality supplements, the likes of the COVID vaccine and the flu vaccine are a case of, "No, thanks!"

Most disease is related to lifestyle factors, mainly diet. If you eat a good diet and lead a healthy lifestyle, your chances of contracting the likes of the flu or many modern diseases decrease markedly. There are other things you can do like manage stress, be aware of environmental toxins, prioritise sleep etc.

I had 2 shots of the COVID vaccine which with retrospect, I regret. I am not aware if I caught COVID or not. I have NEVER had the flu vaccine and I have never had the flu. I can't remember when I last had a cough or cold but we're talking several years, at least.

I think what is lacking with many vaccine discussions is nuance. For sure, some people most certainly should get vaccinated for every nasty out there. For others, like me, the likes of the flu shot and COVID vaccines are not necessary.

[Coss]

A tangent - and this following is not directed to Stick, it's just a post on Vax news, that is likely appropriate under this thread's title.

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RFK Jr. removes all current members of CDC vaccine advisory committee

US Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. on Monday dismissed an expert panel of vaccine advisers that has historically guided the federal government’s vaccine recommendations...

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So future 'merican kids are gonna start to look like this ?

   

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[bust]

 

[Old Hippie]

Really weird thing here in the USA is resistance to vaccines of any kind is on the rise. Many school districts have the list of vaccines that kids have to have before they can enter public schools. Across the Golden Gate Bridge is Marin county, one of the wealthiest counties in the USA and the resistance to vaccines there is insanely high…big money to fight the schools etc…I was in the army, got vaccinated for everything, deployed to El Salvador for the party Regan was throwing and got more…flood season, got more…at age 63.5, fairly healthy despite being over weight…no kids, so not part of any control group on that. But recently, RFK jr. has been making all sorts of claims that the medical groups are warning are not true scary times here…

[bust]

Is this perhaps a MAGA thing or is it across the broader political spectrum?

[Old Hippie]

On 12/18/2025 at 7:46 PM, bust said:

Is this perhaps a MAGA thing or is it across the broader political spectrum?

Apparently it is across the board wackery…