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  1. Postscript I don't suppose I ever did finalize my last year's frolics. The night after my three way was a bit strange. I bar fined both girls and walked Beach Road eating street food and taking in the ambience. The girl I'd been with was distant and as I recall made some excuse that night leaving me alone my last night in Patters. I just read it as a little heartbreak; a tough by-product of the profession if you do connect with someone. I travelled to Bangkok the next morning. I'd arranged for dinner with an ex-fiance but called the Babydolls girl and she came up to BKK my last night in country. The time spent was memorable and very personal. No sniffles at the airport as I left so early but I was glad she came and ended on a sweet note for both our memoirs. Post Postscript Back in Patters now for 2011 trip. Went to BabyDolls the first night and pulled a dud. I really do like some kind of connection. My bad choice not the girl. I'd gone earlier in the evening but wanted to get about and see what was new in town. Returned later to barfine after 1:30 when the price is cut at Babydolls. On return mamasan had phoned my 2010 pull to tell her I was in town. I'd also seen the other girl from my three way last year. I was a bit conflicted about starting up again. I'm here for a month this time and there's no way I can pay a month of bar fines , etc. Regardless she said she'd been with family in Bangkok helping with the flooding and would see me the next night. Like cattle to slaughter I went the next night. Ban had phoned a few times to make sure I'd be there. I knew she was not looking to dress for work and instead wait for me. It was nice to see her when I got there. No histrionics but warm hugs. We didn't stick around and returned straight to the room to catch up. The walk back was when she told me about my baby. Apparently a byproduct of playing without a condom is the production of little babies. Who knew? At first I was asking about a pet rabbit she had which apparently died. (Oh the irony) Then she was describing a baby. I thought at first the rabbit had died in childbirth but she went on to explain that she had been pregnant with my baby. I shelved the discussion till we got back to the room. I'm not certain a songtao is the format for these disclosures. I left Christmas day and she got sick mid-January. After a doctors visit she discovered the pregnancy which she said made her very happy. Her birthday is February 4 and I called her that day to wish her a happy birthday. She didn't say a word to me. As far as I could discern she lost the baby a few weeks later. Her description and scar leads me to believe it was an ectopic pregnancy and the baby could not survive outside the womb. I want to say I dodged the bullet but here I sit in the same city with the same girl making love again without protection. Of course I'm deeply conflicted by my actions. I feel compelled to protect her in some way on one hand. On the other I think I should slink off to Koh Lanta and leave it a clean break. It is friendly and warm but I would not say it's a relationship nor do I think she would. I asked her about going to Koh Samet today. I feel like I owe her something after what she went through last year. By the same token I can't afford to 'keep' her all month long. At what point do you cut the string? Hopefully before another luk kung.
  2. 21 December - part 3 Leaving Baby Dolls the girls decide to mount motorbike's and head out to Yo's house. Just as the night before, beers are sent for and we're all soon gathered cross-legged on the floor eating som tam, snacks, soup, fish and drinking. Baan had been very caring all night; more than normal and certainly a 360 degree turn from her little snit the prior night. Listening to the chatter in Thai and English I begin to put some of the pieces together. Yo lives with her aunt. Apparently after Baan left me the prior morning and I did NOT give her any baht she must have at some point brought her gripe within earshot of Yo's aunt. This is the same aunt that works Beach Road and has a very nice guy for a husband that works a motorcycle taxi. Apparently Yo's Aunt set Baan straight. Baan later told me that she said I was 'jai dee' and that Baan should take better care of me. I suppose hearing it from her elder was all it took. Baan was completely different all of this night. She was not only taking good care of me but this care extended to our three way. After visiting her aunt, Yo and Baan returned with me to the Apex. We ran the gauntlet again with the bellhop and Yo's missing ID. She'd borrowed her aunt's ID. The bellhop accepted it this time and we all headed up to the room; except that the phone was ringing by the time I opened the room door. The Apex bellhop had some other questions for her and I take it that a quiz ensued of Yo's aunt's information. A call was made to confirm some information. Baan and I waited as Yo was once more summoned downstairs for something at the bellhops but she was soon to return. No problems. We were all tired so we showered and I tucked into bed with two warm naked Thai women on either side of me all arranged at the suggestion of my girl. Morning came and we enjoyed each other's company. I'll spare the gratuitous details but they 'took good care' of me. It was a slow lingering and enjoyable couple of hours. I will say that the tag team approach they took made for a very slow, playful lay. They were a little shy of each other but I was able to coax one onto my face while I fucked the other. My girl also took a casual remark from days earlier to offer Yo to 'fuck ass' since she does not. I didn't say no to the offer. They took good care of me. Took them to the breakfast buffet at Apex to close out the morning. Today is my last full day in Pattaya. Plans are to meet Baan about 7pm. Probably just spend some time together before the tearful goodbyes are made. Suggestions were made that I take them to BKK to say goodbye but I nixed that telling them I was meeting my ex-fiance for dinner in Bangkok the night before leaving. Apparently I owe Baan a barfine for last night as she's decided TONIGHT she will take her night off instead of last night. Ok. Same same. I put a nix on her plans on my new cellphone. She's got my baht in her pocket, or mama does. She can buy her own. GFE or Butterfly As my Patters trip draws to an end I remember originally questioning whether to seek a GFE or just butterfly may way through my trip. On general principle I think it's 'up to you'. My GFE has been a bit expensive as I pulled from a gogo but well worth the experience; especially after my girl orchestrated that little three-way this morning. Much of that value is based in my sexual response. I'm much more responsive with a partner I know. One nighter's are 50/50 for me. For me it was a good way to go. Next post I'll close out and say my bye bye's to my girls and head for a day of shopping and dinner with the ex in BKK.
  3. 21 December - part 2 Following my fortuitous blackout, Expat and I hit Baby Dolls... Baby Dolls We closed our part of the night out at Baby Dolls. Not sure Expat was having fun but having just finished my payments for the secondary education of one of the owner's children, I was warmly greeted. I guess he has another one he needs me to subsidize. While we were at The Sea my friend from Baby Dolls finally called. Honestly I'd thought that gently calling her on the 500B was the end of the road and she'd moved on. Guess not. She told me on the phone that she was still taking the day off and I was to pick up her friend at Baby Dolls for the three of us to have some fun. With the prior night's little tiff and enjoying Expat's company I was in no hurry. I told her I'd call when we got to Baby Dolls. When we arrived Yo was waiting in street clothes. I later learned she was concerned I would not show and barfine her. I'm certain this concern was based on her not working. Yo works as a showgirl at Baby Dolls. It was my understanding that she would be working. Entering Baby Dolls I asked the dek serve for Yo and she guided us to the back. She was relieved to see us. We were quickly surrounded by dancers looking for lady drinks. I noticed Expat had the same little girl from the last time we were in there. Not sure if she sought him out or the other way around. I bought a few for a friend of Baan's learning later that she's not a close friend like Yo. Too bad because I rather hoped she might be tonight's three-some. Has a baby but I thought hid it rather well. Mamasan got a shot from me. Chok dee kup. To my shock mamasan returned the favor and bought me a beer. Expat made an exit from the merriment trusting I was in good hands once again. I still have a debt of gratitude for his tutelage. Not certain if Baan showed before or after Expat left. I think afterwards. I was surprised as I thought the plan was NOT to come to the bar as she cannot take a day off if she has a customer. I believe there was a conversation with mamasan explaining that she was sore from her period and could not 'take care me' which smoothed over her appearance and the day off issue. Paid the checkbin before it got any larger and headed out. Initially hadn't a clue if we were still on but soon found out we had to stick around Walking Street till 2AM so Baan could return to Baby Dolls and collect some money owed her. So the evening's plans were another night of bar hopping with the two ladies of Baby Dolls. Living Dolls On BrownFox's recent suggestion we first hit Living Dolls. This is the Living Dolls with the long 'tunnel' before you reach the door? I clarify as I saw another Living Dolls Showcase further down Walking Street later in the evening. Living Dolls had a draft/tequila special and we all had tequila to lubricate the night; about twice the size of the tequila shooters at Baby Dolls. Living Dolls dancers were fair but I got a little fuzzy at this juncture of the night as Baan pored her tequila in to my glass and I'd already had quite a few. We next headed down to Soi Diamond stopping off for some street food to balance my metabolism. We had previously poked our heads into X-Zone when I'd been out bar hopping with the girls a few night's ago. Their motivation was to see a friend that worked there. Mine was to look for a dancer that had dry humped me into almost barfining her on a prior visit with Expat. Tonight their friend was there so we stayed and had drinks. BTW in the street food category I'd never had BBQ sticky rice before and I must say it was quite good. I'll be back for more. X-Zone One thing that struck me about X-Zone was an entire row of Thai people, men and women, crunched into seating on one side of the room. Just seemed odd as I rarely see Thai people in the gogos but it was to be repeated later at Happy a-GoGo as well. The dancers in front of me weren't really doing much for me so I turned around looking for the energizer bunny that had dry humped me before. Not know what I was looking for, Baan, thought I wanted to see the showgirls and suggested we move to the tables where new showgirls were just changing shifts. Thai rapid fire chatter ensued as Yo, the showgirl at Baby Dolls, began comparing notes with the showgirls on stage. The X-Zone showgirls offered a condom for fisting them. In my hesitation, my girl stuck out her hand and a moment later was fisting away one of the showgirls. I think I experienced a momentary burst of pride. I really do. Well I couldn't defer to my girl so soon my hand was wrapped in latex, coated in lube and humping a warm vagina in view of dozens of on-lookers. It was something to try but the best part was a guy and his girlfriend sitting around the stage. She had a look of amazement and disgust on her face as she sat and watched the showgirls perform. I rather enjoyed the waves of revulsion coming off her but I think her boyfriend may not be getting any for awhile after bringing her there. My girls played with the showgirls a bit more as they sucked ice into their pussies and then tried to hit a cup in the girls outstretched hands. I was sorely tempted to drop the frozen cube into my drink but I guess you have to save something for the next trip. Happy a-GoGo .... was our last stop of the night at the girls request. The place was packed and I must say the service was really good. Many of the dek serve were guys but they were on the ball with drinks, arranging seating and taking payment. Not sure if it's a gender thing or just good training. Happy a-GoGo had the some of the best pole dancer's I've seen in Pattaya. It was only one or two but they were on their game. You can't take the pole dancer's home in the US but the good one's really have their craft honed. Happy a-GoGo was a good vibe. Lots of people having fun. Hostesses made the rounds and made sure everyone was taken care of. Ping pong balls were followed by shreaks of joy and lots of naked bodies bending over to retrieve their prizes. We pretty much idled here until we could hit Baby Dolls and collect Baan's loot. Her collection didn't take long at all. I didn't know so I ordered a Coke, got a couple sips in me and we were back out the door again. Barely had time to locate her 'kind of' friend and make eye contact before we were on our way. Baby Dolls does lower their barfine at 1:30 to 300B. I did momentarily toy with the idea of asking Baan if she wanted to barfine her 'kind of' friend but as she was later to clarify their friendship perhaps a good thing I did not. The bed is only so big after all. After so many we'd have to start stacking them like cord-wood ..... oh..... dammit. Oh well.
  4. 21 December Wasn't sure what to expect yesterday after my regular Baby Dolls girl left in a snit over that 500B. Didn't know if she'd follow through with her proposed three way or we were finished. I went about my day. Didn't hit Lolita's but it's my intent to do so today prior to leaving for Bangkok tomorrow. Had plans to meet up with Expat to hit some bars but prior to I committed something of an ethical trespass: I went to McDonald's for a cheesburger. Afterwards I felt soiled but it could also have been eating it on Beach Road watching the ladies come out for the evening. Expat and I headed out about 7:30pm walking Beach Road towards Walking Street. Let me see if I can remember the agenda... Windmill We started at Windmill. Trade was still light and I wouldn't say there were any real stunners there. Had a beer and moved on since the other gogos were opening about then. The Sea ... was our next stop. Trade was very light here. Actually I think I only saw one other punter in the joint. There are a couple cuties in here but you cannot visit with Expat if you want to pull the cutest one. He has tattooed her name on his heart. Champions ... was not much to speak of. One drunk farang on the bar dancing is one too many for me; beside I hate sharing my pole. I will say that the music in the gogos in nearly interchangeable from gogo to gogo but Champions did have a heavy metal soundtrack that was a bit refreshing. I prefer classic rock but applaud the individual character. Silver Star ... second visit and still does not impress. Was there very late the prior night and just thought it was too late and all the good flesh had been pulled. On re-visiting with Expat I still was not impressed. When I spend my time flirting with the dek serve I think there's something missing. Farenheit ... is the new bar next to Alcatraz and was the best of the night by far. It was loaded with ladies. They had a very good happy hour special of 60B for a large variety of drinks. I had a vodka tonic as the special. Plenty of cute ladies to oggle and many with good eye contact. There is an upper floor. Just follow the sign to the toilet if you feel cramped down below. There are a few dancers upstairs a some seating as well. You should put Farenheit on your list. Mental Blackout After Farenheit I have a gap in my memory. I think it was a defensive mechanism to cope with the trauma of some heinous bar that Expat drug me into just to show me the worst bar in Pattaya. My only dim memories are of a lack of air conditioning, an elderly lady tugging at my penis repeatedly and walking away from a beer I'd taken one sip of without guilt.
  5. 20 December - part 3 I didn't realize when Baan and Yoyo left me on the steps of the Apex they were taking their motorbike to 7-11. We'd been drinking all night and by their own declarations they were drunk. I would have stopped them had I realized. Fortunately they returned unscathed ten minutes later with beers, mixers and snacks for the room. We have a problem. The Apex staff will still not allow YoYo to come to my room as she does not have an ID card. She only has a copy in her home and that not on her. I have a word with the bellhop and night desk clerk. I know the drill. Don't lose your temper. Speak slowly. Better to ask questions than make declarations or yelling accusations. I both understand and appreciate the collection of ID cards along with the accompanying phone call to the room to make sure everything is 'ok' before releasing the girl. I assume however that should I consent they will waive this measure. I'm wrong. I ask the night clerk to please explain the policy to me. He states it's for security; my security and everyone else. I explain that I understand it's for my security, which I feel I should be able to waive, and do not understand why it effects anyone else. I mean the rest of the hotel is behind closed doors. I'm getting nowhere. In a last attempt I politely ask them to have the day manager call me and give them my cell. This doesn't change their position. Comically the bell hop sits pumping a bar bell as though he might need to portray a position of physical strength. Funny. Later I think I should have either tried a bribe or the 'stupid farang no speak Thai' routine. Oh well. The girls suggested retiring to Yoyo's home to drink and make merry. Now it's me on the back of a moped buzzing through the Pattaya night with an intoxicated captain at the helm. How do you make this stuff up? Amazing Thailand. I see my life flash before my eyes as the girls spend more time yammering about the Apex issue than paying attention to speed bumps that threaten to crack my cranium against Thai roadway. We arrive safely. I notice the moon is full and hanging low in the sky about 4AM. It seems an appropriate backdrop for the scene. Yoyo stays at modest accommodations north of Third Road. When we arrive it's locked up tight. A phone call reveals that the apartments primary occupant is on her way back from a customer on the back of her husband's motorbike. She'll arrive shortly so the girls throw darts and photograph one another while we wait. It's all Thai the rest of the night so I have time for my own ruminations. The anchor of this little family appear to be a husband and wife. The wife works Beach Road and the husband is a motorcycle taxi driver on Soi 9. I see a baby blanket on the clothes line but no baby. They seem sabbai in this relationship so foreign to me. I'm still letting it all sink in. Yoyo shares a room with at least two other Thai women. They both also work Beach Road I'm later told when I inquire of Baan. Money is solicited for beer and Pee runs out for more drinks. I only have a 1000B note but hand it over to receive exact change and a receipt. I pocket it without looking until the next morning but my experience is that the Thai spirit at this level can be trusted. It's outside the normal tourist trap. Casual. Communal. Beers and snacks soon include omelettes, som tam and soup. Everyone chattering along about their day. I catch about 5% of it listening intently for the phrase 'falang' and amounts of money that I'm competent enough to pick out of the rapid Thai conversation. I seem to gain the 'jai dee' stamp of approval for my Thai greetings, love of Thai food and picking up the tab. Somewhere Baan begins to adopt that 'take care' element that was missing on Koh Chang as she clips my nails while waiting for food and beer. Maybe she just needed to be more comfortable and in her element. About 6AM we say good night and mount the motorbike for the hike back to the Apex. I'm told she will stay and sleep but no boom boom. After my last faux pas I simply nod consent. I am disappointed that her sleep was both clothed and brief. She wakes at 8AM. I'm bleeding baht. Yes. I realize that a bit of overtime at work would cover my entire vacation but on principle alone I'm concerned about a perceived metamorphosis from 'falang jai dee' into 'falang walking ATM'. She wants 500B. To myself I think, 'For what?' I picked up barfines for her lazy ass and her friend, took them drinking all night long and still have blue balls dangling in my scrotal sack. I think not. But wanting to be jai dee I turn the 'Up to you' card on it's edge. I tell her 500B, ok if she a) finishes with hand, finishes with mouth or c) stays and sleeps beside me until noon. Pouty protests but none of the non-jai dee language like before. Pout all you want. My response, "Up to you." She dramatizes an exit with my pants containing all my money. No reaction. I know the same bellhops would stop her and that she's only being dramatic. Conversations ensue and clarification is reached on this evening's agenda. The problem is that mamasan will not give her the day off, no barfine, if she has a customer. So the plan is tonight she will call mamasan and tell her we are finished and attempt to get the day off. If successful I will then go to the bar and barfine Yoyo and we'll all retire to the hotel for a little three way sanook all night. It's a strange dynamic having her arrange for her friend's to fuck me but she seems to prefer it this way. I get laid and her friends in need of baht see some funds from a jai dee falang. I'm getting used to the idea. I hold my ground on the 500B. She chooses to go home and feed her rabbit. I think I've successfully tread the line between jai dee and ATM. I guess we'll see tonight. Headed out to add baht to my phone. Hoping to meet up with Expat early and perhaps the girls later in the evening. If things don't work out for two ladies and/or mamasan will NOT give her the night off we've had the talk about her going with another customer. Much better separation than doing it on the phone earlier in the evening. I have to walk by Lolita's on my way back to the Apex. Maybe.... two more days.
  6. 20 December - part 2 Off we trot into the night to get a get a Beach Road songtow to Baby Dolls. It's getting close to 11pm and mamasan needs barfine. If mamasan ever wants to quit Baby Dolls I recommend she seek a career in the Thai Internal Revenue services department. He job will change very little. As we've spent time together, part of the natural discussion has been the exchange of vocabulary. One of these exchanges on more than one occasion has been the word 'loan' or 'borrow'. I hear this word again from Baan after dismounting the songtow. Apparently YoYo has a current balance deficit with mamasan and Baan has nominated me in the role of Ben Bernanke of the Federal Reserve. I will loan her the baht for tonight's barfine. I interpret this as my opportunity to be listed in the 'jai dee' column again after fucking the shit out of her earlier. Ok. It's baht I'll never see again. Mai bpen rai. We go to Baby Dolls. I pull out the camera and the stills of Koh Chang are a big hit with mamasan and the girls. Mamasan let Baan know she had a long time customer asking for her for three days. Baan appropriately preps me that she may need to say hello but I respond that I'm aware of her job and don't have a jealous bone in my body. What's the saying? You don't miss the girl, only your place in line. We drink a bit and Baan holds court in Baby Dolls like a princess accepting the merit of her serfs. Last time she did this I ended up with a 700B bill for discounted (50B vs 120B) lady drinks for half the Baby Dolls staff. So I keep a closer eye on the cheque and pay at more strategic pauses; picking up the barfine for both Baan and Yoyo. The original plan at dinner was a movie. I haven't seen the new Harry Potter but I was just punting because I thought it bad form to say I'd like to cover you in my sperm for the next six hours. BTW that is my number once complaint about sex with a Thai woman. They leap out of bed immediately after sex to wash. I like it a little sloppy and dirty for the next go. Oh well. Anyway on the stoop of Baby Dolls a new plan is hatched. They decide they want to go bar hopping in Walking Street with me. Hmm. I think it might be fun to traverse Walking Street with a few insiders. As Emma Watts Hermione character continues to decline topless scenes I defer to the new plan. We visit the bars in my list above; drinking and evaluating the competition as we go. I play a game asking them to choose for me to see what they're looking for. It's actually quite similar. A smile is important. A sanook spirit. Silicone is a tool of the devil. It's suggested that I call one over from time to time to 'take care' but I'm not sure how far to press this new found 'openness'. I really cannot recall at which point in the night Baan suggested I fuck her friend, Yoyo. Maybe because it took awhile to evaluate if this was a genuine offer or a trap for the non-jai dee nature within. At any point it was in my mind when the girls suggested going to 7-11 and drinking back in my room at the Apex. These things never seem to happen in Ohio.
  7. 20 December What a blur? Wish I had video. In my last post I was resolved to butterfly the rest of my time saying goodbye to my Baby Dolls pull. Very sweet girl but she has her visitor and the most precious resource I have is time. I need to get laid and it's been a couple days. I don't wish to be culturally disrespectful to the spirit of Pattaya. Yeah. That didn't happen. Baan, Baby Dolls Koh Chang pull, calls about 4pm in the afternoon. She wants me to barfine her and she will arrive at my room about 8pm. I did make an honest effort to say, "here's looking at you kid...." now hop on the plane and I'll go fight Germans but that seemed cold on the phone and I like the Germans rather practical stand on prostitution. I ask her to come now and she shows up around 6pm with her friend YoYo in tow. Ok. Mai bpen rai. We go across the street from the Apex for a great Thai meal. We eat, laugh and she decides she needs a shower and change of clothes. We agree to 30 minutes to meet back at my hotel. I put my time limit at 2 hours before I leave her ass and set my pussy radar on another target. Yoyo told me she'd not been at work for three days as, like me, she also had a cold. Yoyo is a showgirl at Baby Dolls and Baan seems especially impressed that a) she can get a beer bottle deep into the recesses of her pussy and she has 'no problem' with 'fuck ass'. I think, "Ok I'll strap a board to my ass so I don't fall in but it'll be fun." Tight body but not face. Anyway my 'real world Thai' 2 hour time limit is almost up when Baan shows at my door. Fresh as a daisy, she has my immediate attention. I think I've been pretty 'jai dee' paying barfines for the last few days without much to show for it. More particularly without a release which is becoming a bit more urgent wit each passing hour. For this reason I was on her pretty quick even though YoYo was waiting in the lobby. Yoyo could not come up as the Apex would not admit her without an ID card. She lost her ID card to the police for a motorcycle infraction earlier. If I understood her correctly she can only get the new ID card from her local amphur in Buriram. I don't 'force' anything in a sexual relationship but I was aggressive and lusty. She was responsive. But she was correct in later saying it was 'different' from before. I hope a starving man may be forgiven for not using his napkin at his first dinner in some time. The difference is that we just plain fucked. One of those hot sweaty fucks where she starts asking 20 minutes in if, 'you finish?' with a look of bewilderment in her eyes. For me, this was great. I did want to finish but the little soldier was at full attention and enjoying his job. Jai dee, she wanted to help me finish but has a pain in her side from her period. This led to some frustration and tears. When I saw her real distress I stopped. No problem. A discussion ensued where I had to protest that I WAS jai dee. I just wanted 'set' very bad. Tears were wiped. Apologies offered. Ok I was in the doghouse an had to crawl my way out. Showered. Went down to Yoyo STILL waiting in the lobby of the Apex. This night didn't look all that promising a start. I was wrong.
  8. Last night's intel: Baby Dolls Always hopping. By far my favorite bar. Bar fined two girls last night. At least I think I did. I just gave up and toss the Baht in the air and see who's in my bed at the end of the night now. Super Girls Not as fun as Baby Dolls. Was there late but still a couple cuties left. Worth a visit again. Bar fine was 600B. They don't give tequila to the show girls. At least these were the observations of the two Baby Girls tax deductions accompanying me. (I've spent too much so I must now consider this therapy against my tax liability for next year.) X-Zone Had a lot of fun in here a week ago. The two girls actually chose it due to a friend. I was curious to see their reactions to the shows that invite you to feel the beating heart of a showgirl through her pussy. Just have to reach far enough. Turned and left as there were only a few girls but that was due to the hour. Closing seems to be 4AM now? Silver Star Popped in here for a draft. Pretty late and only the dancers left. Kind of an odd layout. Of course my entourage knew one of the welcome girls and I asked about the upstairs. She indicated it was only for the girls and not customers? Kinda small venue but I'll try again as I've heard good things. Pricing Did get my pricing wrong on a previous post. I thought my Baby Dolls pull said she had a discounted rate for her own day off barfine of 668 per week but that was a daily rate for her. I guess she has to cover her barfine and also some minimum drink amount.
  9. It did not. Actually I should have sent my camera with her for a photo.
  10. I've returned from Koh Chang to Pattaya for the next few days. Probably head for Bangkok on the 23rd. Dinner with the ex-fiance on the 24th and early morning flight back to the snow and ice on Xmas day. Some notes from GFE in Koh Chang: Economics: Paid the full barfine of 600B per night. Was going to try to negotiate with mamasan but Baby Dolls was hopping and it just wasn't going to happen. Mai bpen rai. Paid the girl 6000B for the 6 days. Got a wai and a nod so I think that was fine. Advance 2000B for mama as a component of the 6000B. GFE Good experience. If I had to give it a grade I'd give it a 'B'. Girl was jai dee. Very sweet. I'm pleased with the advance over my last experience. Negatives were mostly her age. One of the components of the GFE I most appreciate is the care she gives. The sniff kisses. Soft caresses. They provide the cosmetics that allow you to temporarily gloss over the true nature of the relationship. She wasn't very good with this aspect and I attribute that mostly to her age. Nothing hard or callous. Just a lack of refinement in this one area. The sex was good; especially for me. One of the negatives I have about short-time in Pattaya is that it's a particularly night time activity but my preference is for the morning. Having her full time allowed for wonderful morning's. She slept nude and we'd spoon all night a waken to enjoy each other's touch. The other positives, I guess, were that I haven't seen a condom for a week. Argue the merits if you will but that boat has sailed. I just enjoyed the passage. The only negatives on this front were that she had her period while on Koh Chang. Not an issue for me but she did have some cramps one day and waived off intimacy. I understood. Also felt there may have been a counter running in her head. Maybe my imagination. She did avoid the beach, swimming about 5 minutes the entire time we were there. As an American this fixation on skin color is exceptionally disturbing but I've come to accept it. I remember the first Thai movie I attended that showed a Proctor & Gamble, a hometown company, skin whitening product. I nearly jumped out of my seat. She also slept a LOT. This usually coincided with me laying out on the beach so it was not an issue but I think, and she mentioned the same, that it's a big transition for her going from a night work schedule to these days. The only strong negative I had the whole time was last night. I picked up a head cold our last day in Koh Chang. The pharmacies were closed when we left so I suffered the mini-bus ride back. We arrived back in Pattaya about 5pm but I paid the barfine for tonight so she didn't have to work. On return to went back to her apartment to check on her rabbit, shower, sleep, etc. I grabbed some meds and got some sleep. She showed at the hotel about 10:30pm and only stayed an hour. I told her I wanted her to stay the night but she has a friend who also works at Baby Dolls that stays with her and is also sick. I thought she should have remained with me. Again mai bpen rai. I don't have any intentions of barfining her tonight. I'm going to let her return to work when she calls and butterfly the rest of my trip. I think she'll be fine with this though it may be a shock to her system to go back to working night's. Overall would definitely do it again. Economics were a bit on the high side for comfort. Still need to heed the board's advice and learn to pull from the beer bar's for a better return on value. Probably hit some new gogo's tonight or Soi 6. Koh Chang Stayed at Kae Bae Beach Bungalow's at the suggestion of Ian of www.iamkohchang.com. Not sure if anyone here reads the boards at ajarn.com but Ian was the prior owner before selling to Bangkok Phil. He bought a little resort on Koh Chang and maintains a great web site on the island. Kae Pae Beach Bungalow's high season rate for a 'Garden view' was 1300B. Very nice bungalow's. The day we arrived was my birthday so I splurged just a little. Bath, hot/cold water, double-bed, TV, satellite and fan. The bungalow had air-con but for them to trip the breaker was another 1000B. Fan is just fine for me. She gently protested at first but after the first night I'd convinced her that no air-con on the beach is not the same as Pattaya. She slept under the covers even with a fan. Kae Bae has changed a LOT. My last visit was 10 years ago and the quality and number of bungalow's have increased dramatically. Travelling to we took a regular bus to Trat then Laem Ngop. Ferry to Koh Chang and songtow to the beach. On return we got an offer for a VIP mini-bus to Pattaya for 300B and took it. Air-con, nice leather seats and a driver that drove like a bat out of hell. Saw Pattaya in 3-4 hours. Long post but left out so much. Happy to answer any questions.
  11. Well at least I didn't join the club of flying farang leaping from tall buildings in Pattaya.
  12. Girl from Baby Dolls. Barfined the girl from Baby Dolls again last night. Sweet girl. Jai dee. Didn't see her when I first went in. I take it she was on the other side of the stage with a customer and it took a few minutes to extricate herself. Standard barfine. Continuing on my strategy from last night of stretching the short time by not going straight back to the room, I suggested a movie. We saw some Thai comedy at the cineplex on Second Road. I moved to the Apex yesterday so it was within easy walking distance. I closed my eyes the last 10 minutes of the movie and was sleepy when we got back. I asked her to stay and sleep. We slept and enjoyed each other in the morning. 'Up to you' was 1500B when she left which was what I'd suggested for long time the first night we met. Before sleeping she asked me if my mobile had minutes. Smart girl must have seen the top up card when she cleared it from the bed. She called Ma and talked a few minutes. I suppose I was part of the conversation as I had to say hello to her when the phone was handed to me. Before she left I asked if she would like to go to Koh Chang with me. We made arrangements to meet tonight at Baby Dolls. She would not dress/dance. We would just settle the barfine and go. We'd head for Koh Chang the next morning. Spoke with Ian from IamKohChang.com who said not to be concerned about reservations till the holiday period around the 20th or so and suggested Kae Bae for reasonable accommodations. The long term barfines she'd given me the night before must just be for her when she's sick because when I asked her how much for the bar she kept computing with a cute finger ghost writing on the mattress multiples of 600B. I didn't negotiate as I don't think it's hers to negotiate. I'll have to talk to mamasan. She told me 'up to you' for her quote. I was considering up to a week at Koh Chang. I did have concerns she would be bored so I asked her directly telling her there is swimming, eating, sleeping but she didn't have any concerns. Then she threw me a loop I'm still trying to figure out. We were talking about how long to stay on Koh Chang when she suggested 3 days on Koh Chang and 3 days visiting her home in Chaiyaboom. I've not been to Issaan. I do have a friend in Udon Thani begging me to come and see him. We could swing by for dinner one night. Not sure how his wife would relate to this girl. I guess I have to think about it a bit. I like the idea of seeing more of rural Thailand. I'm happy and concerned at the same time she considers me a boyfriend. I've no intention of subsidizing parties or family in Issaan for a few days even if it does win her face. Not too concerned about running into a 'brother' that's actually her boyfriend or hubby. Guess I have to think a bit but am open to suggestions from the board. Fire away.
  13. @ tartempion Good info on Silver Star. Definitely like that 'thin and small' demographic myself. Passed it last night but didn't go in. I'll have to give it a shot. Did hit Sabbai Dee Massage across from Big C on Second Road yesterday. Sabbai Dee Massage Second Road 1800 (red), 2000 (yellow), 2500 (blue) 1.5 hr, all inclusive (drinks extra) 1300 - 0100 I would recommend going around 5pm earliest for the best selection. I was there a little earlier. Papasan very attentive. Told him I was there for soapy primarily, liked new girls and the rest was the rest. He made recommendations. I wasn't particularly persuaded but pulled one of his recommendation; not his first. The only bad info he gave was to comment my pull had a good body, which she did, but there were tire tracks from childbirth. One thing papasan did do that was not done previously was to ask the girl to join me at the table so I could speak with her before a final decision was made. Soapy was good but not as good as last time. Really enjoy the soapy experience. Soothing and arousing at the same time. After the soapy was ok. There was the slightest air of 'you come so we finish' in the experience. It happens. Having looked at those four options I now don't know whether I'd haul down to Sabbai Dee with Honey Body and PP Massage so close. My advice is to go later in the afternoon, pull only what you want and don't be afraid to turn around if you don't see what you want.
  14. I just popped my head in the door at Honey Body Massage. Everything is brand new. The girls were cute but it was early. Staff was attentive but I thought the Papasan at PP Massage was better. He made inquiries to my requirements and began suggesting girls. I do like that you can see the girls from the street. I don't think either fish bowl was as comprehensive as Sabbai Dee. I may pop down there this afternoon as I'm honing in on a commitment for a week or so. I barfined the girl I found in Baby Dolls last night and continued to hone my strategy. In the bar she came right up to me and was happy to see me. We talked. I clearly wanted to barfine her and she quoted 1000 short time and 2500 long time. I told her preferred long time but it was too much. We let it go. One thing at a time I went ahead and barfined her and then stumbled upon what I conceive as a good idea. All I'd eaten all day was som tam so we went for food nearby. By not returning immediately to the room this stretched the short time into a very long short time that allowed me to get to know her a bit more and which she responded to. Full we returned to the room but she was stuffed so we just sat and talked for at least an hour before getting down to business. Afterwards was the same. I told her short time or long time was up to her. She chose short time but even after choosing laid naked on the bed talking and laughing for more than an hour before she left. Now my preference all along was to hit an island with take away from Pattaya but didn't know whether to mention this up front or retain it. I did mention it to her and while we were talking she either intentionally or not let several salient facts slip. She said the daily barfine at Baby Dolls for her is 600B but the weekly was 668B and the monthly 1002B. She also spoke of compensation from other customers for a month at 7000B and 13000B. Both facts lead me to believe that it might be much less to take her away for a week. The barfine may not be 600B daily and her rate for a week certainly less than for a month. If this is the case it will certainly change my thoughts on the economics of long term barfines from a gogo. I did cross a bit of a line last night. I was very very tired. Eyes sunken. Just couldn't sleep the prior night. Had a bit of an issue keeping my soldier at attention. After a couple failed attempts with the condom she pulled it off. Normally play safe but what's done is done. Don't know. Certainly prefer au naturale and the idea of it for a week on a quiet island is compelling. Mai pen rai.
  15. Some notes for others. Soi LK Metro closed down at 3:00AM. I want to try Lolita's while here. Poked my head in last night and they've done a nice job in there. Ran by a few massage places this morning. Honey Body Massage Soi Honey Inn 1800 (red), 2500 (blue), 1.5 hr All inclusive Noon-1:30 too early for an honest evaluation of the fishbowl quality PP Massage Soi ? 1800 (red), 2200 (blue) All inclusive close 2:00 am, forget open time too early for honest eval Dream Teen no soapy massage so wasn't too interested price sheet was modest but didn't ask if all inclusive, options for types of massage and number of ladies Sabbai Dee was 1600 two years ago so 1800 may be the going rate. I may wander down to Sabbai Dee again today. For all inclusive it's comparable to a gogo bar fine with time limitations but also with the soapy experience.
  16. @ eyebee Went to Baby Dolls last night. Found the cute gals. Didn't see any disgusting things. Of course that may be a matter of interpretation. Baby Dolls - highly recommended, fun Also hit a number of others. X-zone was notable. Windmill. Found a real cutie in Baby Dolls and even though I hate the economics of bar fining from a gogo I went back later that night to bf her. She was with another guy who was watching the clock for bar fine to drop at 1:30. Didn't know the etiquette for the situation. Only thought of it afterwards but I should have talked to mamasan and bar fined her out from under him. What do you think? Bad karma?
  17. First night in and still not quite in sync. Walked down to Walking Street and wandered a bit. Is it me or have the eastern European women gotten a lot thinner and cuter? Some real lookers. Ended up in Hot Tuna for a bit. Good band and spot to people watch. Any 'best of' recommendations gratefully accepted. Looking for some good beer bars need soi 11. A couple go-gos not to miss. Seen the pussy shows and Angelwitch before but if there's anything more erotic, I'm interested. Seriously thinking about trying one of those Russian go-gos. Welcome girls were very cute. Of course that's never a reflection on what you find inside.
  18. @robaus Hey thanks for the guide. Did use Mr. T and like everyone else was quite happy. Nice clean Camry. Driver was easy to find at the airport. Didn't know where Soi Honey Inn was but mai pen rai. I ended up at Sawasdee Sunshine. It's nothing special but pretty cheap. Miss wi-fi and a pool mostly. I'm headed down that way later this afternoon. Thought I'd hit up Sabbai Dee massage. Really enjoyed the soapy massage last time. Gonna try to connect with Expat later tonight.
  19. @waerth I found a rate of $9. USD via Kayak.com. Both Orbitz and Cheaptickets had the same rate. Looked nice but a TravelAdvidsor posting said they were not guest friendly.
  20. Found a good deal on Baron Beach Hotel but couldn't determine if they were guest friendly and didn't want to take a chance. Anyone know if they're guest friendly?
  21. LOL Well my point was that I should spend more time in the beer bars to improve my chances of GFE NOT that I'd become a drunkard. I avoid the beer bars BECAUSE I'm not a big drinker. I'll spend some more time with the Connect Four crowd and maintain my own 3-4 a night.
  22. Poked around a bit more. Got a recommendation from Stickman for Pattaya Bay Resort but could not stomach the price especially with the dollar exchange rate. Lek Hotel seems to be well priced, well located. The pool and buffet appear to make it good value. Their web site is crap and their email addresses bounce. That's a good sign for a good value I think. Comments? Guess I'll give them a call.
  23. Thanks for all your posts. @encore - Have sent email to Opey De Place for current pricing/availability @doris day - I keep hearing good things about Mr. Ts @kamui - great post. Not a big drinker but think I'll need to spend more time in the beer bars. Perhaps that's my error. On accommodation, seems they all have price increases Dec 16. Also a further question... I stayed at Honey Lodge last time due to it's proximity to Walking Street. Am I understanding from your posts and the Robaus' guide that I should be concentrating on something around 2nd road? Secrets is right in the heart of it. Wondered if too close?
  24. I'm pretty comfortable headed into BKK without solid plans but I would like to figure out where to stay in Pattaya and whether you think I need to call ahead. Normally I travel in Sept/Oct and March so I've never visited at high season. A clean, cheap place is all I need. Moo Noi's most excellent post (long overdue thanks) suggests : Secrets Lek Apex Sawasdee (stayed in their Koh San and Soi Nana properties in BKK) others? votes?
  25. Well my last thread deteriorated into rants on the value of unionism in free markets and the differences between men and women seeking P4P so I decided another thread was in order. Actually the last one was productive in that despite the plunge of my native currency I have a ticket for BKK arriving December 8 and returning December 25. So some mundane questions that will bore you to tears. 1. What's the current thoughts on best transport from Swampypoon to Patters on a midnight arrival? Best to overnight and take the express in the morning? 2. Lodging? Last trip stayed at Honey Lodge. Not impressed. Just need cheap and clean. I'm a basic kind of guy. Ok I'm cheap. Secrets? 3. Last trip hauled ass to Koh Lanta. Not doing that again. Looking for a quiet eastern seaboard island to retreat to with a teeruk. 4. Speaking of the GFE I'm lousy at finding it. Best experience last visit was Sabbai Dee Massage. Will be back for that soapy experience. Tend to go too young and get starfish. What do you recommend for a quiet GFE to takeaway for a week on the beach? Beer bars? Avoid Go go? Chat 'em up online and meet there? Yes, this is a pathetic question. Fire at will. 5. Thinking of visiting Myanmar now that Suu Kyi is released. Thoughts? Experiences? As always I appreciate the answers from old hands.
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