Long Gun Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 Well, I don't think this one was intended for a family audience - looks like an all-day hardcore thrash moshpit sort of affair! If anyone wants to check out some of the best of the local indie bands, mainly guitar, some elctronic stuff, there are 2 great gigs on next weekend. One on Friday night at Spoon and an open air one as part of the current French Arts Festival - Fete - which also has a couple of token French bands - anyone heard of Manote Puttal and The Lamb or Doux Project? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asdf Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 hendrix67 said: Also, many young people, esp girls are big fans, often of the female singers more than the men such as fon. maybe you are thinking of Lukrung, here I would agree as it only seems to attract the older and better off ladies. Luktung prayuk or luktung Issan is better described as luktung but with a morlam influence, as far as the instruments used at least. Lots of cross over styles these days with some faster luktung almost sounding more like string. many morlam singers sing luktung as it's more popular in LOS, morlams appeal is limited to certain areas, although there are the very occassional big hits like Bo Rak Si Dam No. Not many self-respecting teenage girls would admit to preferring Fon to Bodyslam. To the western ear, the tempo is the most obvious distinguishing feature between lam and luk tung, and by that yardstick prayuk is firmly in the former camp, regardless of the name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 15, 2005 Report Share Posted June 15, 2005 Seems to me that a lot of confusion surrounds thai music, partly caused by a lack of written material but sometimes due to people not giving it the respect and time to find out enough about it before making judgements. I remember Metro magazine did an article on luktung about three years ago where they described it as a 'sub genre of morlam'. When I pointed out this is not true they admitted they really had no idea and had just made most of the article up. Then you have these online encylopeadia sources which start out with blatent mistakes only for others to copy them and add a few of their own. One recently described three acts as morlam cing when none of them were, they even had Banyyen Raggen down as a famous Cing artist. Might seem a bit pedantic arguing over which style is which and who sings what but if you had a thai describing Dolly Parton as a rap artist or Pink Floyd as Punk Rock I think it would be fair comment to question it. Not that I know a lot about thai music myself. When it comes to Luktung Prayuk (adapted) though there seems to be no absolutes, some people describe it as Luktung with Lao instrumentation while others say Luktung with Morlam rythms. Not really anything to do with the tempo the music is played at though as both Luktung and Morlam have very slow to fast styles, sometimes even of the same songs perfomed by different artists. If it were lao instrumentation and Morlam rythms then where would the Luktung element be at all? The overiding musical characteristic should probably be used to describe what the style is so that a song with strong Morlam rythms is more accurately described as Morlam Prayuk or Urban Morlam than calling it Luktung. I agree with those who label LP as being played with lao instuments and not necessarily having a heavy Morlam sound. Which particular songs are you thinking of when you say 'toned down Morlam'? You said Luktung was for middle aged women this is obviously not true, not my opinion but a simple fact. A visit to any Luktung concert shows that it has a wide appeal amongst all age groups. Of course more kids might well be more attracted to 'bodyslam' than other age groups,so what? I think you'll find that pop music in most cultures tends to attract mainly the young, if it did'nt they would probably not be so interested. String having more young fans than Luktung hardly makes Luktung any less worthy or important and I would say that given it's wider appeal and longer pedigree Luktung is far more representative of the musical culture of the nation than String which has only been around for less than 30 years. I fail to see what 'self respect' has to do with a preference for a musical style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torneyboy Posted June 15, 2005 Report Share Posted June 15, 2005 I like Fon...have seen her live in OZ..as well as Anita.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 i've seen her a few times but not heard her new CD yet. The last 'valentine' one was poor IMO, sure seemed to do the VCD on the cheap, but then they have a new gal (air suchawadee) so maybe strapped for cash! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asdf Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 hendrix67 said:Seems to me that a lot of confusion surrounds thai music, partly caused by a lack of written material but sometimes due to people not giving it the respect and time to find out enough about it before making judgements. I remember Metro magazine did an article on luktung about three years ago where they described it as a 'sub genre of morlam'. When I pointed out this is not true they admitted they really had no idea and had just made most of the article up. Then you have these online encylopeadia sources which start out with blatent mistakes only for others to copy them and add a few of their own. One recently described three acts as morlam cing when none of them were, they even had Banyyen Raggen down as a famous Cing artist. Might seem a bit pedantic arguing over which style is which and who sings what but if you had a thai describing Dolly Parton as a rap artist or Pink Floyd as Punk Rock I think it would be fair comment to question it. Not that I know a lot about thai music myself. When it comes to Luktung Prayuk (adapted) though there seems to be no absolutes, some people describe it as Luktung with Lao instrumentation while others say Luktung with Morlam rythms. Not really anything to do with the tempo the music is played at though as both Luktung and Morlam have very slow to fast styles, sometimes even of the same songs perfomed by different artists. If it were lao instrumentation and Morlam rythms then where would the Luktung element be at all? The overiding musical characteristic should probably be used to describe what the style is so that a song with strong Morlam rythms is more accurately described as Morlam Prayuk or Urban Morlam than calling it Luktung. I agree with those who label LP as being played with lao instuments and not necessarily having a heavy Morlam sound. Which particular songs are you thinking of when you say 'toned down Morlam'? You said Luktung was for middle aged women this is obviously not true, not my opinion but a simple fact. A visit to any Luktung concert shows that it has a wide appeal amongst all age groups. Of course more kids might well be more attracted to 'bodyslam' than other age groups,so what? I think you'll find that pop music in most cultures tends to attract mainly the young, if it did'nt they would probably not be so interested. String having more young fans than Luktung hardly makes Luktung any less worthy or important and I would say that given it's wider appeal and longer pedigree Luktung is far more representative of the musical culture of the nation than String which has only been around for less than 30 years. I fail to see what 'self respect' has to do with a preference for a musical style. Peter, categorising mor lam as a genre of luk tung is far from exclusively a falang activity. Most Thais (and Isaners) do too. Modern mor lam and luk tung are both developments of closely-related traditional musics; deciding whether to apply the modern label of luk tung to one or both is completely arbitrary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 The mis conception is that luktung is a sub genre of morlam not as you say morlam of luktung. That would be impossible as luktung is only a few decades old, whereas morlam goes back hundreds of years. If anyone thai or farang thinks this it's still a wrong idea, luktung developed after the war from central folk traditions where morlam is from Lao of course. Can't say I ever met a thai who thought luktung was a development of morlam. I've got an interesting email from John Clewley somewhere talking about this common mistaken idea. Good bloke who I'd like to meet, he still often writes in the Post on SEA music. My name's Jimi by the way I found it John wrote: ......................the completely wrong idea that mor lam is some how the main root of luk thung, which it most definitely is not. Luk thung influenced by mor lam is one luk thung style only. Central Thai folk forms like lam tad, pleng choi and pleng puen bahn generally, along with likay etc, created luk thung. No doubt the forced migration of Lao families by Thai military to the Central Plains (Lopburi, Supanburi etc) influenced the unique 'Supan' sound of Luk thung but how exactly we just don't know. Luk thung was a popular genre nation-wide for 30 years before mor lam broke through (I'd date that around mid-late 1970s when Ban Yen Raken appeared on national TV). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asdf Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 hendrix67 said:My name's Jimi by the way Liar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 You caught me out, my real name is James, but that's off topic of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asdf Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 hendrix67 said: You caught me out, my real name is James Liar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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