TheCorinthian

Gee, HH, ya think that maybe, just maybe, healthcare costs factor into it? That maybe auto manufacturers are happy to have Canada's "commie fucktard socialist" healthcare plan so much that they would move assembly jobs just across the river to Windsor? Ya think??

 

Tighten the latches on your bunker, and chew on that big boy!

Not taking sides against you, chap, but you would not know it from the BMW and Merk and Honda plants in the Southern US..... All less than 20 years old. And the BMW place in SC just announced plans to double in size. Which shoots your assumption all to hell.

They were invited to participate a 1' date='000 times. Fuckin' pussy Obama practically sucked their cocks to get them to the table. And gave in to ANYTHING the GOP wanted, hence such a crappy bill. And the GOP still stayed home.

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I happened to watch the TV coverage (live) of the big healthcare pow-wow organised and orchestrated by Obama. Fucking joke. It was supposed to be an opportunity for the GOP to present their ideas. All Obama would say was something like "it's something to think about". I don't ever recall him saying "good idea". Somebody put a timer on the speakers. Guess what? Even though there were basically the same number of Demos and GOP legislators at the meeting, Demos were given the floor to talk about 3/4 of the time...and Barry took up about 3/4 of that time. So don't call it bullshit. The bullshit is the 2500 page Obamacare legislation. A fucking monkey at a keyboard could have done better.

 

Once again, bull-fuckin'-shit.

 

 

Before claiming BS, this stuff should be very easy to cite from known sources including C-Span.

 

Yet I dont see where anyone has found it or your counter claims.

 

(I have not looked as I think both of you are missing the big picture and focused on minute matters of order. ("Order" as in "Robert's Rules of Order"))

 

This is the problem that I have with the single USA thread - find it really difficult to follow a topic.

 

Finding myself posting a lot less as a result.

But wait, there is not a flat out probation to other threads about the US. I see 5 on the first page alone. Just made a new one myself.

If you want.

But if you read just my posts, which are not very long esp compared to some, you will see that I am for health insurance but not a law that makes you a criminal if you dont have it, nor that will force a small business to either fire employees or go out of business.

...your statement (about supporting people having health insurance but not supporting a law that forces employers to fire employees over the new health law) is extremely contradictory.

Not if you read the previous statements by me and others over the past say five pages.

I think people should actually find out what the rules will be then restructure the business to the rules. I got a feeling this might be a great deal for small business owners who can not afford insurance. They could end up with coverage and depending on how the rules can be manipulated, may come out further ahead.

Make no mistake, I am not debating the merits of any legislation, I am just pointing out what the effects of it have been that you apparently did not know about.

Do I think people should have health insurance? Sure.

Do I think the over all good is served by forcing small business to fire people to stay afloat and comply with the law? No.

REAL WORLD: If an employer doesn't pay for the insurance he will get penalize. The last I knew the penalty is about 2.5%.

BYW, that is wrong. The penalty is enforced coverage per employee. So for 10 about $45,000.

Passing out 1099 to every vendor was one part of the health bill I really hated. Can you imagine passing out a 1099 to a Thai vendor?

 

In order to give the Thai vendor a 1099 they would have to have a Federal Employee Identification Number.

Huh? How do you not read these things?

The 1099 is filled out by the owner!!! At "one every $600 vendor" would be a serious pain, but any good owner will have those records.

What is Germany's tax rate?

 

The USA tax rate probably is higher.

It was easy enough to look up. Germany is much higher due to the VAT.

From what I understood the USA system was suppose to be similar.

 

i.e. Person works in a restaurant:

 

WHAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN UNDER O'BAMA CARE: Small restaurant without much profit or any profit at the end of the year. The employeers cost would be almost zero if not zero. Employee gets sick. The employee gets medical care and doesn't have to file bankruptcy. The insurance company is charged one of the smallest amounts for the service.

Real world: Restaurant owner has to provide health insurance to all employees if he is over a certain number. (25 I think, not sure.) Lowest quote came in at about $1.5k per person per year. At that level, if 30 people are employed, restaurant pays 45k off the bottom line for ins that it was not paying before. Result: If this is a small establishment, restaurant fires enough employees to be below the standard.

One guy I know said he thought he might be able to do it and survive but was not willing risk it so he fired 10 people and became his own cleaning crew and host staff.

What is Germany's tax rate?

I would say the Patriot Act has more devastasting aspects then Obama Care. Why didn't you bitch about Obama Care?

 

BKT...have you had your water well tested for lead lately?

 

HH

Good question.

I personally have no idea what if anything the GOP offered to the bill. All I do know is that I have 2 friends with small businesses (Restaurants) that had or will have to fire people to comply with the law and stay in business.

 

If a child aged 2 owned a car, then he would have to buy insurance...this isn't hard.

You've been in BKK too long. (Lucky duck!)

A child would have to buy or be given the car and drive it to have to buy insurance. If I take the tag off my car and turn it in (Called "de-registering) I do not have to have insurance.

With the health car law, you have to have insurance no matter what you do. There is no exception.

A child the age of 2 has no requirement at all to buy car insurance from anyone.

A child the age of two has a legal requirement to buy health insurance from a private company.

Does he have a problem with states requiring us to buy car insurance? There are a ton of things we have to buy as mandated by the government that would meet the same test as health insurance.

 

 

Actually next to nothing does. As to your example' date=' you have to own or drive a car to "have" to have ins., so there are millions of people that are exempt from it.

 

[b']With the new health care law.... you just have to be alive to have to buy insurance.[/b]

Exactly the same thing. If you have a car, you must buy insurance.

 

If you get sick, then you must buy insurance.

Nope. Before you at least had a choice... Now, you have to buy insurance if you at all draw breath. This is the only and first law that makes you pay for something for the simple fact that you are alive and if you dont, makes you a criminal.

As was said in a recent ruling.... "Never before has Congress required that everyone buy a product from a private company for the simple fact of being alive."

Does he have a problem with states requiring us to buy car insurance? There are a ton of things we have to buy as mandated by the government that would meet the same test as health insurance.

Actually next to nothing does. As to your example, you have to own or drive a car to "have" to have ins., so there are millions of people that are exempt from it.

With the new health care law.... you just have to be alive to have to buy insurance.

Group all of these virtually impossibilities together and the conclusion is the event really can't happen but in this case it did.

Nope. None of it was "virtually impossible." Re read your Sun Tsu. No one was even looking for an attack like that. That makes it very likely

The problem is there are numerous things the CIA does NOT tell the Congress or even the White House. Sometimes they hide things under the 'national security' tag which doesn't work most of the time but can be dragged out on occasion as being so covert and secret it can't inform about specifics if at all.

No. You have been watching too many movies.

The FBI could have stopped 911. One of the great mysteries is who specificaly said to the agent who was noticed the hijackers taking air line lessons and other suspicious acts and was told not to pursue it. It must have been someone important

No. If you believe this you have never worked for a large company as a junior guy. Again, you are watching too many movies and projecting that to the real world.

The problem was the focus of the FBI was on other things.

Since 911 the fear of another attack has given the government or specifically its law enforcement and intel agencies a freer reighn in doing whatever it likes. Its chaos that gives license. Just like the financial crisis. The people allowed the government to do things it wouldn't have otherwise. The same chaos will finallly let the government do things its always wanted to do like tax the internet. Posse comitatus, etc. will all be 'temporarily ceased' (that's what they'll say) in a major crisis. FEMA seems the likely agency to effect. It practically has powers to suspend civil liberties and rights and impart martial law if the event is serious enough.

Nope.

Mathmatically, 9/11/2001 couldn't really happen, but it did..

Naaaaa....

Mathematically?? Huh? Please show me this math.

Absolutely it could happen. Everything that does happen... could. (And a lot that just has not... can.)

I am not American, and I may never understand the motivation behind American foreign policy over the last 50-60 years, but I have to ask just one question :

 

Why do the American people allow the CIA to continue to derail the positive impact of their efforts overseas ?

 

In a conversation with an American recently, he told me that the CIA operates completely independently of the Congress - I can only assume that makes them 'accountable' to exactly one man. The man who, presumably, signed off on the genocide of the Hmong people on the Plain Of Jars in Southern Laos, with his advisors whispering in his ear that it was for the 'greater good'. The same man the CIA had killed in full view of the public in 1963, which might explain why no-one has tried to challenge their power since. Happy to hear otherwise.

A few points:

Who ever you were speaking to apparently knows next to nothing about the US System, but that is not surprising, and got most of that from movies.

The CIA reports to congress, specifically to the Committee on Intelligence and since 2004 the DNI. It is not true that they answer to "just one man." In fact, nothing in the US does that except for maybe some small companies. Even the president answers to the people as is evidenced by the one term presidents we have had and the extreme 180s of power we have now seen twice in the past 3 years.

Does the CIA fuck up? Hell yes. But everyone does that. The Dept. of Education and the Public Parks people screw up all the time, the difference if the expectation. It is just not fair to expect perfection esp in this area. Add to that that the group can not even announce a success, and anyone would look very very bad in public light.

The US MIlitary has mistakenly killed more people in the past 10 years than the CIA ever has in its history. But many of you that have been in the military know that yes.... we fuck up. It is almost never the intention. Things just fuck up sometimes and we try to learn and go forward. And when malice is shown, there is a huge investigation that convicts way more people than it ever lets go free. Again, this happens in CIA too... you just dont hear about it.

(Take any of us, only talk about the bad things you have done and none of the good and our neighbors would hang you from a light poll.)

I know about 20 serious and former serious players in this area. I know of 4 that have been ruined (Jail, financial penalties, cant get a job except at McDs) and deservedly so for over stepping their bounds. But again, the problem is that you still cant talk about it because that puts other operations and methods at risk.

 

Before 9/11/2001 we had a system that worked. It got us thru the Cold War.

 

But on 9/11/2001 it was like nothing was working. What was literally mathmatically impossible became possible.

I disagree. The system really broke about 1990 and 9/11 was the result. The system did not break on 9/11 because if it had worked before that... 9/11 would not have happened.

Clinton lied under oath in grand jury testimony.

Funny thing, he was acquitted of that!

"Has any president? "

 

Yes.

 

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman" Bill testified.

"Testified" means to give evidence in court, under oath. Bill did not do that.

Who the fuck is Ron? And why do we have this ridiculous thread on Thai360.com?

You're kidding right?

I dont think Ron ever actually testified. Has any president? The way I look at it is, delay them coming home a few hours or a few months for what? Ron in office? No way.

Ron was unpredictable and willing to blast you cowboy style and let everyone know it. Carter they could trust to do as little as possible.

That's another counter, Iran had more to GAIN with Carter than with Ron.

I never said there was / were any in 2003 and after. I just said our sensors keep detecting traces of it. In some areas we had to take the batteries out to get them to shut up.

But I did say, and can show you photos of buried jets. So I would not be around when they dig the foundation to your summer house in Al Abnar!

I lean toward the Hostage thing being a non starter for one very good reason.

There was tooooooo much to be gained by the Dems bringing it out in the 1984 election. If it had been true, they would have done it and Mondale would have whooped ass!

I'll get back to the hostage thing.

For WMD in Iraq, they for sure did have them. We have a few burned out northern villages as proof.

Did they have them any more in 2003? Not sure. I say that because our sniffing machines went of constantly in some places and never in others. So there was something there at some point in the recent (as in a year or two before the invasion) past.

Saddam buried fully working Mig's in the sand. No telling what else might be out there.

That's why I want to see facts.