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  1. No one said rappers were smart...
  2. Seems that way, eh? (Regarding 'eards getting elected). Your last post was a fine example of rationalization and projection. "Oh no, we were just kidding, we didn't mean it. Yadda yadda ya." I'd have so much more respect for the silly righties in the country (and actually listen to their opinions) if they just owned their obvious positions: "yes, our rhetoric is over the top with all this violence shit;" "yes, we have serious issues with a Negro in the White House;" "Etc." But they try simply silly means to try to mask that which no one buys... Man up! Own your position, you pussies. *Then* we can talk about meeting in the middle and making the US a better place...
  3. It is a fine line innit? Aiding and abetting is a crime just about anywhere. Is talking someone into doing something illegal a crime? It is when it comes to some things, especially if you are just a prole like most of us. Where to draw the line? [color:purple]Aiding and abetting is an additional provision in United States criminal law, for situations where it cannot be shown the party personally carried out the criminal offense, but where another person may have carried out the illegal act(s) as an agent of the charged, working together with or under the direction of the charged party, who is an accessory to the crime. Internationally, it is comparable to other laws governing the actions of accessories, including the similar provision in England and Wales under the Accessories and Abettors Act 1861. It is derived from the United States Code (U.S.C.), section two of title 18: (a) Whoever commits an offense against the United States or aids, abets, counsels, commands, induces or procures its commission, is punishable as a principal. ( Whoever willfully causes an act to be done which if directly performed by him or another would be an offense against the United States, is punishable as a principal. Where the term "principal" refers to any actor who is primarily responsible for a criminal offense.[/color] Linkage So, is a media or other personality saying we need to "kill the opposition" (or some derivative thereof) culpable under this? That's the question, innit? And the whole argument that free speech comes with responsibility. Where is the line? And what is the case law precedent about this NOT involving famous people? The same rules should apply (tho' we know they never will). Of course, we would NOT be having this discussion had Reagan not shut down whole psychiatric wards in the US and turned the patients (and their heirs) all loose on society! But hey, the cheap-ass bastard GOPers pay $0.50/yr less in taxes.
  4. Agreed. Outside that it is a just a fucked up fetish much like spanking girls. But a little spanking is far less damaging to society as a whole (nervously, but genuinely:) LOL
  5. Not if you actually a) read & comprehend the English language and follow the Amendment's path through Congress. But we'll let the details slide...
  6. You get it bro'. That's where I am comin' from. And exactly my neighborhood too! But despite all that nasty shit, I am very proud to be from Detroit. Those are MY people, that's MY city. Nothing will change that. A great bit of truth here from a link in that article: [color:purple]"The ultimate fate of Detroit will reveal much about the character of America in the 21st century. If what was once the most prosperous manufacturing city in the nation has been brought to its knees, what does that say about our recent past? And if it can't find a way to get up, what does that say about our future?"[/color] WORD! Anyway, back on subject, here's another guy who gets it. I loves me some Rude Pundit. Tell it brother: [color:purple]Dear Right-Wingers: You Are All Muslims Now: Oh, dear, sweet conservative Americans, how you must have shit yourself on Saturday when you heard that someone had shot up an event with a Democratic member of Congress in, of all goddamned places, Arizona. And, worse, a Representative who had voted in favor of health care reform, which you have demonized as nothing short of a resurrection of the Nazi Party. It must have been awful for so many conservatives, thinking, praying, "Please, please, please, don’t let it be some Tea Party dick who says he did it because Glenn Beck told him to. Don’t let it be someone who wants to fuck Sarah Palin and thinks that if he starts taking out her congressional crosshaired targets, he’ll get into her pants." How you must have heaved in relief when you saw that it would be quite easy to portray Jared Lee Loughner as a raving psychopath, an effort that’s helped a great deal by the apparent truth, which is that Jared Lee Loughner is a raving psychopath. Yeah, he's a psychopath who’s mad rantings are heavily peppered with an insouciant flavor of Beck or Ron Paul or loony conspiracy theory nutsiness, but a psychopath just the same. Now, ah, yes, now, lovely right-wingers, you could defend yourself. You could work yourselves into a huff about how unjustly you were accused of driving this obviously disturbed individual into an act of calculated, cold-blooded violence. But that's because you're sitting there in your shit-filled underpants, thinking, "I don't believe in violence. I don't approve this. I hope the government doesn't try to crack down on us." So, welcome, assholes, because you are Muslim now. How does it feel to stand in Muslim shoes today? Because, right now, yes, you are being treated like suspects. You are being treated like you are guilty of the crimes that are committed by the deranged in your number. Sure, you may think, you can spout all the blood-filled, gun-toting, war-flogging rhetoric you want against citizens of your own country. But those are just words, you know? You can’t, you know, be held accountable for the actions of a few. And, gosh, it’s just wrong to lump you all together, to stereotype you all as criminals in waiting. Like, you know, you have done with Muslims since September 11, 2001. Here's the deal, though. The vast, vast, vast majority of Muslims decry not only acts of violence, but the rhetoric of it, too. The vast, vast, vast majority of right-wingers not only stay silent as conservatives shoot at targets with their opponents' names or initials on them, talk about revolution and violence, and accuse Democrats of getting ready to put Americans in forced health care camps. No, you embrace your extremists assholes and anoint them your idiot queen. How will you live with yourselves in the future? Look, heated, vicious rhetoric is part of the political game. But, frankly, there’s a bit difference between saying that you’re going to "target" an opponent and saying that there might have to be "Second Amendment solutions" to the nation’s problems. Let's not do the bullshit dance of false equivalence. While there was a period of time when the left was violent (which was met by officially-sanctioned violence by the government), in the last couple of decades, it hasn't been the left shooting shit up. It wasn't the left who let the assault weapons ban lapse. It wasn't the left that made access to guns as easy as a McDonald's drive-thru. It wasn't the left that cried "Fascism" to background checks for someone who wants to own a fucking machine gun. It wasn't the left that supported preemptive war and violence against individuals as solutions to our nation's problems. Time to welcome your chickens home, conservatives. Open your filthy arms. So, yeah, yeah, cowering motherfuckers, Jared Lee Loughner was monkeyfuck insane. He wandered in the fringes of conspiracy theories and wallowed in the stinking pit of his own mad brain fluids. You can comfort yourselves and have a shaky drink to that. But you know what, you ridiculous worms? At the end of the day, the Rude Pundit supports your right to say your stupid shit. And it's ironic that Giffords read the First Amendment during the House's big show last week of reading the Constitution. Free speech ain't a free pass. It never, ever comes without responsibility. You wanna spout crazy, violent shit? You wanna talk about end times and revolution, Glenn Beck? Then man up and know that some people will take you seriously, even if you are just a joke.[/color]
  7. Links? New info to me, and I have been keeping up. And I am very proud to be a progressive. Or a liberal, as you say. Without us, for example, children would still be working 70 hours a week and the US would look a lot like Thailand. Of course, in a few years we'll be back to that if the GOP has its way...
  8. Sadly 100% correct. Most folks have never seen what a gun can do to people, up close and in reality not a video game. If they did, they'd get it... Having grown up in a place where everyone had guns and no one was safe, a prime reason I prefer to never live in the USA again. I'd seriously do a Pattaya swan dive before moving back there! Those people are simply dangerously insane.
  9. Bed time now. I'll post links to his blogs & youtube pages tomorrow. You tell me. It is as I say (if you can get thru the insanity)...
  10. Thanks for mentioning that. BTW, I do so love that once again, this tragedy just assassinates the gun nut meme that "guns save the day." We won't even go into the fact that the guy was expelled from Uni and turned down by the Army because they both thought him to be nuts, but he was still allowed to buy a gun legally in AZ. AZ prolly has percentage-wise the most people carrying of any state. No one can argue that fact. What stopped this guy? Someone physically tackling him. No one with a piece -- and I am SURE there were some there -- had the balls to take him on. It took some brave unarmed bastard to do it. Deffo also supports my call for gun control, and kills the absolutely STUPID argument that guns makes us all safer LOL! Once again, I reiterate: the US *needs* to enact laws like Oz, Canada or the UK, removing handguns from the general public. This would not have happened there.
  11. So even this discrepancy...you believe the report? Seems pretty important to me that they had the right bullet or not. And if there were two, that kills the one-bullet theory, right? Physics & math do not lie...
  12. I've already agreed to that, even citing case law. I just want them be adults, acknowledge their errors, and to take responsibility for their part in this tragedy and mend their ways. A hopeless wish, I know. And those guys have an audience of a few hundred. Palin, Beck, the TeaParty nuts, etc. have an audience of tens of millions thanks to Faux News. Can you comprehend the difference here? And that is not letting the guys you mentioned off at all, just comparing the damage they caused with a 500# TNT bomb versus the Fat Man nuke...
  13. As I told HH, if that makes ya feel good, OK, have at it. But them's not the facts. He lived in a big city, with plenty of targets a lot closer to home had he just wanted to kill people. Who he chose says a lot. Says it all, in fact. If you think it was random, there's a bridge in Brooklyn I have for sale. Cheap. I have the deed and everything...nudge, nudge, wink, wink! $250k only. You can turn it for $5M easy. Wire me the money and I'll post the deed. Really. Don't be part of the problem...
  14. Scarily & sadly oh so true. And ol' Barry was a certifiable nutcase rightie (ala McCarthy, but without the commie fetish) in his day...
  15. Ya, the magic bullet that defies physics is quite the reasonable explanation... [color:purple]The Warren Commission's "single bullet," according to all documentation: * had no thread striations (fine lines etched onto a copper encased bullet tip and/or bullet side casing by clothing threads when the bullet first penetrates clothing threads), * was marked with no blood, * was marked with no human tissue, * had no pieces of clothing attached, * had lost only 1.5% of its original average weight, * had a composition that was consistent with the composition of the metal fragments recovered from Connally (see section on neutron activation analysis).[/color] Sounds good...if we ignore all we know about ballistics!
  16. LOL! Rallying on about gold standard, states rights, anti-immigration & anti-healthcare is a lefty? Nice try, but simply a bunch of lies. Pure TeaParty rightie shit that is...
  17. The weak and mentally ill? Perhaps. Columbine, anyone? Etc., etc., etc. It certainly desensitizes one to violence. Many studies have proven that. I am NOT advocating suppressing free speech. I AM advocating personal responsibility. Something that the GOP -- ironically and despite all evidence to the contrary entitled "the party of personal responsibility" -- fails to understand in the least.
  18. Either the hate/violence-filled rhetoric of the past two years did influence the shooter or did not. If in fact it did not, then we must conclude that what appears to be a politically motivated assassination was simply coincidence; utterly and completely disconnected from the crosshair mentality of the TeaParty movement and Beck-Palin et al. Does anyone think that an objective observer could possibly draw this conclusion? Despite your reservations, Loughner's alleged mental illness did not lead him to shoot up a McDonald's, bomb a state building or even attack a Republican congressman in a state full of lousy Republicans. His target was a Democratic Congresswoman who had been targeted by the violent rhetoric of Tea Party. I know you TeaParty types will deny it furiously (because ignorant, delusional and furious defines the TeaParty mind) but the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming. The Tea Party used violent language and imagery, as have you yourself, and violence has ensued. Imagine that.
  19. Convince yourself so you can sleep at night. I understand that. Ms Gabby Giffords had her office trashed after the health care vote and Democrat Raul Grijalva in the next district received death threats and his office windows were shot out. A protester was arrested when he dropped his loaded weapon at a Giffords event last year. Her Republican opponent invited conservatives to play with M-16s at an anti-Gifford fundraiser at a shooting range. Tea Partiers openly threatened violence against Democrats: http://tinyurl.com/We-came-unarmed-this-time Everyone remembers this and knows that it happened. We all lived through it in real time. GOPers can’t wish away memories by raging at liberals or blaming Obama. HH, the way you conservatives are reacting it seems as if you think you can just deny reality and wait for this to blow over. Y'all treating it like a garden variety wingnut freak out, just making stuff up and hoping no one notices they're lying. I don't think you/they've fully comprehended how serious this is. Do you really want to relive the 1960s? Remeber that Neal Horsely, in defending his Nurumberg Files that listed the names and addresses of abortion doctors, then crossing them out with blood as they were executed, explained he never asked anyone to kill anybody, but simply put it up as a warning - in the best interests of the doctors, really - of what was in store for them. And he never asked anyone to kill them, but was talking about their just punishment in the afterlife. Yeah, riiiiiiight. But hey HH, burying your head in the sand instead of being an adult and assisting in fixing the problem is infinitely easier, innit? I am sure I have read you condemning moderate, non-violent (i.e., all) Muslims for not condemning the radicals in their midst. How is this not the same? If people like Palin & Beck want to exercise their power of free speech with incendiary remarks, slogans, etc., more power to them; it is their right. But please don't expect sane thinking people to give them a pass when violence occurs. And that's regardless of whether *this* killer was influenced by such or not. Why do a scrub of one's website if one isn't feeling even a tad bit guilty? Palin's "cross hairs" map came back to haunt her with the victim's own words in last year's interview...and that's the clincher. R7046bo92a4
  20. Dave, think about it like this: If Henry II's statement "will no one rid me of this turbulent priest", tho' clearly without intent for it to happen, was enough for him to be blamed for Thomas Becket's death, shouldn't the same criteria be used to judge today's hatemongers? Note I am not advocating any legal repercussions. Indeed, is true that the Supreme Court has emphatically held in Brandenburg v. Ohio that the First Amendment bars the government from punishing people even for explicit advocacy of violence except where it's designed and likely to result in "imminent" violent acts (the fire in a theatre thing). I just expect people to own their actions and be responsible. And be shunned for their actions by the more reasonable amongst us. But sadly I feel that is too much to ask of wingnuts.
  21. I think you misunderstand. I am not holding them "personally responsible" but they and their ilk as a group do share the blame. I do not think they really want blood running in the streets, but they encourage the nutters who can't make that distinction as I said. When you start saying "2nd Amendment solutions" and "watering the tree of liberty with blood" and dreaming about "poisoning Pelosi" and encouraging folks to bring firearms to political rallies while saying these things, that's a HUGE issue in my mind. And crosses the line. I understand what you are saying, but as Chappy said, free speech comes with responsibility, it is not carte blanche to do anything at all. I.e., it is illegal to shout "fire" in a crowded movie theatre (if there is none) for a reason...
  22. You should be blaming them. A person who has mental problems and anti-government delusions who's been fed a steady diet of "Second Amendment solutions," maps with elected officials marked with cross-hair targets, TeaParty candidate election appearances advertised by asking people to come with loaded automatic rifles, and the entire Republican Party and their TeaBaggers running a very well-crafted anti-government campaign. Yes he's crazy, and those are the people soaking up the poison being vomited up by the Republicans, the tea baggers and conservatives. Make no mistake, Limbaugh, Palin, et al, have gone over all this with their lawyers and they no exactly how close to the line they can get. So when something like this happens they can shrug and say, "Not my fault." Anyone with a brain knows otherwise. And sorry Choco, but “both sides†don't have a 24/7 hate television network and hate radio spreading lies and whipping up the fear and anger in their audience week after week. And there aren't any Democratic politicians out there doing what Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann and company have done with repeating eliminationist rhetoric at every opportunity. The right wingnuts own this completely.
  23. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/09/us/politics/09giffords.html?partner=rss&emc=rss http://azstarnet.com/news/local/article_88b4b436-1b53-11e0-8354-001cc4c002e0.html Wow -- only a start of things to come IMHO. She's only the second Representative to ever be murdered in office - the first being Rep. Leo Ryan, who was murdered by Jim Jones cult members when investigating Jonestown. And she was not even a hardcore lefty as she loved her some 2nd Amendment; but we are talking about AZ who desperately wants to out crazy TX & OK. What an atrocity -- any politician who went on about "second amendment remedies" and "if ballots don't work, bullets will" in the past election should resign... It is gonna get ugly out there over the next few years. I am afraid that this is just the start of the body count, and that this will make the 60s look tame. And I am sure that the shooter was undoubtedl­y in Arizona's well-regul­ated state militia... 2nd Amendment snark> And thus it starts.
  24. New state motto: "Arizona: doing all it takes to out crazy TX & OK!"
  25. Aye, that 'tis also. With private security, I felt OK doing that. LOL!
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