Nasiadai

Some words, some annotations about Nana Plaza. Sorry, very unsystematic, like a brainstorming. 1. There are many beautiful girls in Nana. But I did not see so much silicone, so much plastic in earlier years. There is one girl in SUCCKERS, first bar on the left, groundfloor, who has really big tits - outstanding, looking super sexy . Crunchy ass cheeks, she is a SEX BOMB !!!!!!! Girl number 15. Go and have a look. I watched her several times. She as looking at me with challenging views, very welcoming. She has an incredibly sexy look. Every time she passed me, she looked at me with a challenging look. oh my goodness. I was melting like ice in the sun. I was ready to pay any price pay she calls, she demands. I cut a long story short. A Thai Lady - married with a swedish guy - told me, her tits and ass are silicone, pure plastic. I have suspected that from the first moment, I saw her. I watched her as she was barfined by a regular customer of her. Must be a plastic lover. Many girls with silicone and plastic nowadays. 2. In the bars much less girls work there than earlier, then in former times. One example: the bars of the Hollywood Group like Hollywood Rock, Carousel etc. had about 70 to 90 girls on the payroll. Have a look in London Calling or Wild Thing today: Today they are a shadow of earlier days only!!! Do you understand my “German English� The big bars were crowded with girls. Today they are empty; with girls and customers. My thesis: the bars are too expensive for many guys. High prices for beverages, high prices for lady drinks, barfine 700, long time 3000-4000 CRAZY! Prices are slaying the Sanuk, the fun, the atmosphere. For many, the Sanuk is finished. 3. The attitude of the girls get more and more worse. I can say this after 4 days of experience. Many of them – thank God, not all – are money oriented, more business woman, commercialized. They act aloof and cool. But thank God: You can find a girl providing the good old girlfriend experience, the take-care-feeling, a lady with a good heart, but they get more and more rarer, less often. 4. Yes, yes, the Rainbow bars, Suckers and some others have a nice line-up. They are the focus of female beauty But you can find a pretty lady everywhere else. In Sexy Night as well as in DC-10. I stop here. ok. Enough for one go. Stay tuned. There is more to come. Charly Hamburg Bangkok Duesseldorf

Yesterday spent the whole day in QPP. There is a bar managed by a German, I think. In Moonshine Pub there were the preparations for Thanksgiving Day. 2 big turkeys were fried in hot oil. Around 5 many American guys gathered. I was watching the scene. Sometimes a short small talk with one of the guys. Good atmosphere. All were looking forward to the feast - the turkey - and the coming party. The festivities started at 19 in the evening. Mitch - I tink this is the name of the boss - held an opening speech, it was much applauded by the audience and then the celebratory banquet was opened. Now it was time for me to go because I was the only foreigner under all those Americans, I was a "farlang", so i said good bye. Went to Soi Cowboy. Had a great time. In Crazy House I was literally attacted by an Isaan girl. She pushed her breasts into my mouth, sat on my lap, kissing me, hugging me. It as fantastic. She was 25. So it went for more than one hour. I paid bar for her, we left Crazy House, eat some isaan food at one of the street vendors, then strolling through Soi Cowboy. Later we took a taxi back to my hotel in soi 4. I assure you, I had a tough night but first class. I lay on my back - that's the only possibility for me to make love. She sat on me, inserted my cock and then the party started. Oh my goodness. She rode me like the incarnate devil. What I assumed in Crazy House, confirmed now in my room: she was horny like hell. Fucking with great enthusiasm. In the morning we continued our love revelry of love. I was amazed about me that I could get through this orgy. We left hotel about 12.30 midday, had some good thai food - street vendor - and now I am here. barfine 700 Baht girl 3000 Baht longtime I am crazy. But it was good. Stay tuned. There is more to come. Charly Hamburg Bangkok Duesseldorf

Tody I'll write a short report about Nep. Yesterday I lost my text in the internet cafe. It is still a great place for fun but there are some profound differences to former times, to gone by times. Now I go to QPP. Nasiadai

Sorry, a wrong key combination has deleted all my text. An hour of work for nothing. This Thai-English keyboard is terrible. I can only operate with the untrained fingers of my left hand. I I was right-handed. So, shit happens. WHERE IS CRAZY HOUSE? Later I'll come back and continue. Now I go hotel.

Thanks guys for your advices. Here is Charly alias Nasiadai alias Bakwahn live from LOWER SUKUMVHIT. Today 25. November spent some time in Gullivers Soi 5 and Biergarten Soi 7. Gulliver is a dead place, in my opinion. Not worth a visit. When you like to play billiards then it can be a good place for day-time-fun. Only 4 or 5 girls in. Some guests in different corners. Dull and boring, in my opinion. Biergarten Soi 7 A good place it has been for so many years. Many girls to choose from, good relaxed atmosphere. Many different types of girls; for every taste there are several ladies present. Older ones and young ones, thin, voluptuous, fat, pretty and ugly. For each punter the right lady is there. You can chat and laugh and flirt with the girls. Make small talk But you should spend a drink, which is actually just fair. My opinion. In the last months I read on several boards that the girls in Biergarten are only little beautiful, even ugly, too old. !! That is all bullshit !! Nice selection of girls and ladies, you just have to really look and search and you will find the right lady. I would be very happy if there were so many females, all willing , in a cafe, a beer garden, a bistro in Deutschland. We have many Biergardens in Germany but no one can compete with Biergarten Soi 7 Krung Thep. Now evening fun is in front of the door. Nana Plaza. Yesterday I had a fantastic evening. ok. Enough for one go. Stay tuned. There is more to come. Charly Hamburg Bangkok Duesseldorf

Road works at Nana Plaza or better soi works hahahaha The small entrance of Nana Plaza gets repaired. Soi works are going on. The narrow path gets a new road surface. The workers work very skillfully and accurately. In 2 days, it will be a pleasure to enter the Nana through this beautiful new way. Come and have a look. Yesterday I spent my first late afternoon, evening and night at NEP. oh guys, I cannot believe it, I am back in paradise. Yes, Nana Plaza is girls paradise. The first bar I entered was SEXY NIGHT. The lady boss and the cashier were greeting me with great hello. They recognized me after all these years. They have 2 or 3 nice girls. I you like the "pumpui", the more voluptuous type of girl; there are 2 or 3. Nice big tits, sweet baby fat on their bones. For those preferring this kind of ladies then go there. Very good attitude. I had her in my arms, I touched and groped her big tits. I kissed her. I was in paradise. The testosterone shot in my blood and I was the old and healthy guy again. A good feeling. Second bar DC-10. Older ladies dancing. Two with wonderful big tits. I became so horny! One of the ladies came over to me and I cuddled with her and my greedy horny hand started kneading her big boobies, oh my goodness. FANTASTIC! I enjoyed cuddling and kissing and touching. Tits and boobs to go, to enjoy. GREAT! This familiar horny feeling ran through my body. Later I was barhopping through several gogos. All had nice girls. It was girls paradise. I can not understand the complaints, that the quality of the girls at Nana is bad. This is bullshit! There never have been more beautiful, pretty, charming girls in NEP than ever! It was a wonderful evening. But Nana Plaza is without any doubt expensive now. Lady drink 170 Baht, beer I think 150 (?) and soft drinks around 130 Baht. Not bad. Barfine 700 Baht Long time: the girls wat to have 3000 Baht, but you can get them for a better price. 2000 - 2500 Baht. An annotation: some of the ladies with big tits, well they are silicone cows hahaha I don't like plastic! I want the real thing! Stay tuned. There is more to come. Charly Hamburg Bangkok Duesseldorf

I am in Bangkok now. All is ok. I do my first walk around. Just now I am in Soi 4. It is good, to touch the green green grass of home ... YimSiam many thanks for your detailed informations. I have fun, I am in good mood. Bangkok, Soi 4; November 24. 2:17 in the afternoon

oh my goodness, where is that? I have an understanding,in view of these weather conditions, Baa99 is excused. I wish you merry shovelling snow. PS: 7 hours to go then is take off.

CHARLY IS COMING TO TOWN! Bangkok, I'm coming! This is not a promise, it is a threat! I'm thirsty, I would like to adventure. The Singha beer and the girls are waiting. On Monday 24. November in the afternoon I'll be at QPP and in the evening I'm at Nana Plaza. Guys, come for a beer.

The thesis: The decline, the descent of Thailand’s P4P scene inclusive Pattaya is in full swing. Slowly but surely. What began in Bangkok, spilled over to Pattaya a few years later . Prices exploded, went through the roof; for daily food and drink, beer, beverages, for barfines, girls. Today Pattaya is not a cheap pleasure any more, partly; not only Bangkok but also Pattaya - in parts - changes in a place for “3-weeks-millionairesâ€. Bangkok was only the vanguard of this development. Now Pattaya follows with a certain time delay. Reasons concerning Thailand: Reason 1: the positive economic development of the last decades Thailand has been changed from a Third World Country into a well emerging nation! The Thai economy has millions of new jobs in the industry and the service sector; well paid for Thai standards; and the economy is growing. So there are more jobs for millions of Thais; for our girls too. Reason 2: inflation, general rise in prices The prices for accommodation, food and beverages, living expenses etc. increased noticeably in the last years. Thailand has become more expensive. That is exacerbated by the stagnant western wages; the stagnant incomes of normal average western workers and employees and the bad rate of exchange. In the first years of the 90ties you needed for a day full of fun and sanuk (hotel, bar hopping, drinking and a girl for the night) about 100 US-Dollars. Today you need round about 250 – 300 Dollars to buy the same! Reason 3: negative demographic development Since 1985 Siam has a fallen birthrate. Since that year the numbers of girls, who would work in a bar, is decreasing. Slowly, very slowly but surely the supply of girls will decrease. The raising living standard, higher incomes and better job opportunities together with the negative demographic development will change the sanuk- and bar-scene substantially. Girls in the P4P and bar scene will be slowly dwindling away, and their services will be more expensive for bar owners and for us sanukers as well. But this a slow process. Reason 4: change in mentality and attitude In the 60s, the 70s the Thai society has been a traditional agricultural society. The mentality, the attitude of this society has been shaped by agriculture and the traditional and practiced Buddhism in Siam. Millions of farmers with their families practised an agricultural subsistence economy on their small plots of land. This economy affected the mentality, the attitude of the people in a decisive way. In the 70s began slowly but steadily a structural change - the change from a traditional agricultural society to a modern industrial and service society, a knowledge-based society. A slow but inexorable change of mentality, of norms and values, of dispositions and attitude started. The embossing force behind this change of attitude was the capitalist market economy. This process has been developing very slowly over many years and decades. Today our girls orient themselfes more and more to the rules of a capitalistic market. Their consciousness, their attitude follow more and more market-based values and principles: profit maximization, a calculative rationality. They home in on the rationality of the capitalistic market. They behave like normal market participants in the West. This old behavior, this old attitue – we all love so much - gives way to a cool and aloof calculative behavior that gears to the profit, the amount of money they can get out of the Farlang. This very special “girlfriend experienceâ€, the “take care feeling†we all love so much will fade away. I repeat and emphasize yet again: this is a slow process. Bakwahn alias Nasiadai Hamburg Duesseldorf Bangkok

Specialist: Who is Gordon England? Some of the guys recommend Pattaya as inexpensive, cheap sanuk-scene. Let us have a look at this place, which brings me back to my topic. I make it as short as possible, i.e. so much remains unsaid, not mentioned, although it is very interesting. The following ideas are written in my limited school English and should be read by guys only, who are interested.

Thanks guys for your contributions. Now something personal. I have not been in Siam for some years now. The last two years because of my stroke. Before the stroke I could not come because my company. Look at the picture. It looks as if Charly is ready for take off: Bangkok, Pattaya and the girls are waiting … The bags are packed, out of the coldness, going into the warm. That was on Christmas day 2010. Some days later – at the beginning of January my company called me: Charly, you have to cancel your holiday, there are new jobs and we need you! The consequence: no holiday in Siam, no Sanuk with the girls, but work for my company. But now I cannot be stopped by nothing and no one! Counting the days … 24 days and the rest of today Bakwahn alias Nasiadai Hamburg Duesseldorf Bangkok

The Magic is gone. We western guys come from societies which are characterized by rationalization and intellectualization. Science and technology are the driving and defining forces; our world is characterised by a certain ‘disenchantment of the world.’ The logic of thinking, feeling and behavior of the people in our Western societies correspond to this rationality. We correspond to this disenchanted world. The world of Nana Plaza was completely different. It was a realm of mystic and magic. Here we found the ultimate and most sublime values and personal human relations. The girls of Nana Plaza provided an experience of magic and mystic ritual; they gave the „sisterliness“ of direct and genuine and personal human relations. It never was a façade of mysticism for me, it was authentic reality. Nana Plaza has always been a location before the advent of science and technology, cool rationalization and intellectualization. Not only Washington Square faded away, but Nana Plaza too, granted, in a different way. Sigh …

What is the cause of Nana Plaza's disenchantment? It's stupid! It's the price. More precisely, it is the exorbitant price increase! The fun factor has steadily decreased over the last couple of years. The prices for beverages and barfines have jumped up, went through the roof; the girls want more and more money for ST and LT (some stunners want even moon prices); girls aggressively asking for ladydrinks and all became harshly commercial. We all know that the girls and the bar owners want to make money, but when it gets too expensive and high pressured, well, that takes away the illusion that makes the bars fun. Closing statement, wrap-up: For about some years we are witnesses of the unstoppable swansong, the doom, the Goetterdaemmerung – the twilight of the P4P scene, the bar and sanuk scene. Sanuk is no longer affordable for many of us western guys. Any further proofs? Look at this board: it is dead. Other Bangkok boards are dead, too! Where is the generation of sanukers that has followed us? Where are the guys who are now - let us say - 28 - 50 years? It would have to be hundreds or thousands of them that discuss here and exchange ideas. But there is only a small handful. The times they are a-changing! Conclusion: - Prices in bars and for the girls, as well as in the whole sanuk scene went up to a level many of the normal average farlang sanukers cannot pay any more. - Girls get more and more professionalized! Attitude of the girls changed more and more into a professionalized disposition (an affected coldness) we all know from our western girls. I stop here. Kassandra - the one, telling the bad and sad news – is not loved. Previously, the bearer of bad news were beheaded. Counting the days … 26 days and the rest of today Bakwahn Hamburg Duesseldorf Bangkok

Back to my topic: I enjoyed the gogo bars and the girls of Nana Plaza. It was so different from my experiences at home in German discos, summer parties, birthday parties and other celebrations and locations where you can meet girls and women. It was amazing: I entered a bar and two minutes later I had a beautiful girl in my arms, dressed in a bikini only, my hands exploring her body, my lips kissing her sweet mouth, enjoying her emotions, her cheerfulness, her smile. An affect-cocktail of overpowering, of high spirits and intense sense of pleasure started shivering through my mind. I am still fascinated by the girls-scene on lower Sukumvhit, although I am an aging boy today. The Nana Plaza has been my centre of the universe for many years. At home in Farlang land I was dreaming of it. It was my paradise, my heaven, it was my wonderful enchanted garden. I remember bars like Sexy Nights, DC-10, Spider’s Web, Hogs Breath, Farlang Connection etc.; they were relatively small, a little bit shabby, but beverages and lady drinks, barfines and the girls were cheap! The atmosphere was great and the girls willing, friendly with smooth and warm-hearted attitude! Bakwahn

It seems as if everything is asked, all is said, and everything is discussed. The spirit of optimism, the optimistic atmosphere and the rosy euphoria of the first 15 years have given way to sobriety and disillusion. In the years 93-96 started many discussion boards like this one with lots of energy and optimism. In the last 4 – 5 years or so, a certain 'disenchantment of the siam sanuk-scene' has been gaining ground. The good old and cheap times are gone forever and with these vanished times a New Sobriety coupled with a cool damp rules now. And all boards are not as agile, as lively as before. That affects all boards, both German-speaking and English. Many boards died in the meantime. What can be the reasons for that decline? I think there two explanations possible; only some headwords: 1. Prices (I refer to NEP and SC) in the good old cheap times; round about: barfine 300 – 400, girl 1000 – 1500 Baht long time. beverages 50 to 80 Baht today: barfine 600 – 1000, girl 2500 – 5000 Baht long time. beverages 120 – 180 Baht For the bar hopping, drinking and for a girl for the night you need around twice to three times nowadays. Sanuk has become very expensive. These prices go to the substance. Our incomes – the earnings in the western world – stagnate for more than 10 – 12 years. That you can read in the business sections of each western newspaper. That brings me to my second point. 2. The decline of the West – the decline of the white man Money crisis – job crisis – stagnation of income – weak currencies Other states and nations are catching up or pass the west by. One can see in Pattaya and the entertainment venues of BKK Koreans, Singaporeans, Chinese and even Indians and other nationalities. We are only one among many others. We are no longer the masters of this world.

Once again it becomes clear, how important and good the Washington Square was for day-time-fun. I miss it! Friendly and nice girls, all the interesting guests – many of them local expats -, cheap beverages, relaxed atmosphere ... a part of the old Bangkok faded away. Why does it always rain on me? I fell reminded of an old classical immortal song of the one and only Harry Belafonte. My farewell song for the Washington Square: "Try to remember the kind of September When life was slow and oh so mellow. Try to remember when life was so tender When noone wept except the willow." And another old song comes to my mind. Here is my version of a very melancholic song: Oh show me the way To the next gogo bar Oh, don't ask why For if I don't find The next gogo bar I tell you I must die ….. I am counting the days: 32 days to wait.

Zzzz, You were stationed in Hanau near Frankfurt in the late 60's and you had some great times. Good to hear that. But that's a long time ago. Did you ever go back to Frankfurt / Hanau? Do you speak deutsch? What do you learn in your high-schools and grammar-schools? In all the years I met many Anglo-Americans who told me – or better who confessed - that they learned German but the only words they can speak are: Guten Tag! and Auf Wiedersehen! If I would stay in a foreign country for 2 or 3 years I would learn that language very quickly! Through the language you get to know the culture of this country, how people tick, one learns the way of thinking, you get to know this specific world view of these people. Learning a language you get a look inside of this society, especially when you read and study the big poets and philosophers of that country. ok. only some thoughts.

ok. StoneSoup, thanks for your hints and advices. Yes, Soi 4 seems to be the only good place for day-time-fun. On the left _________________________________________ on the right Morning Night, Stumble Inn, Big Dog, ___________________________________________________on the right side the Golden Beer Bar of Nana Hotel, Strikers Sports Bar, ___________________________________________________Bar 4 and Melodies Bar Dynasty Inn has a beer bar groundfloor ____________________Bus Stop Naughty girls Hillary Bar Heidelberg Finnegan's and so on - and so on so dear StoneSoup, my posts are a kind of bubbling? You're lucky that I am now in Hamburg and not in Bangkok, because otherwise you would get in trouble with me hahahaha No harm meant!

Which are good and recommendable places for day time fun along Thanon Sukhumvit? ok. of course, I know lower Sukhumvit from my visits. * Queens Park Plaza – Soi 22 * There is the Biergarten - Soi 7 * Gullivers – Soi 5 expensive; and even the girls are more expensive than in Biergarten * There are the bars along soi 4 – soi Nana. Well, I know many of them. Do you know some more recommendable places with some friendly girls for chatting and drinking; for day time fun?

I am looking forward having a beer or two in the bars of QPP. Here you can see me drinking “a Ma߆= beer jug or beer mug, on a restaurant boat in the very romantic port of Eckernförde at the Baltic Sea in the north of Germany. I lift the Maß, the glass, with the untrained left hand. !PROSIT! That was on a hot and sunny summer day in July. To my right sits my brother-in-law; I cut him.

Thanks for the sometimes funny but also well-intentioned advices. Thus says the experienced guy and monger knowing all the dodges. That's true, and imagine I use my left side; unavoidably. That's a good idea. I'll wait and see what happens. Hey guys, I'll enter again Nana Plaza – my centre of the universe – in a few weeks. It's good to touch the green green, grass of home. Up the stairs I look and there runs Lek or Daeng or Mary Hair of gold and lips like cherries It's good to touch the green, green grass of home.

YimSiam enjoy your stay, enjoy the girls. Let us share in your adventures and experiences. Specialist: Please Enlighten us. What do you mean by „Frankfurt Feel“? I am German, I know Frankfurt but a special Franfurt Feel is unknown to me. Flashermac: Wiener Würstchen oder Frankfurter Würstchen or Thueringer or Weiss-Wurst or Bock-Wurst ... they are all good Würste = sausages, bangers, snarlers, snags or whatever the Anglo-Americans may call them.

Cavamami, are you a local expat? Living and working in Bangkok? Oh, I get envy. Well, right now I am in a very good mood, almost in a euphoric mood. I just have bought the ticket, my Thai friends and their families are informed, they are aware of my arrival. They are Colonels of the Thai military; I know them of the „Leadership Academy of the German Bundeswehr“ here in Hamburg. It is like „Westpoint Academy“. They made here a nine-month course „General Staff Officer Course“ - sorry, don't know the correct English – American – term. With these Thai guys is a good sport. And they speak German!!! My language! But I forgot one very important and sad thing: My physical disability after the stroke. My right half of the body is affected by paralysis. Now I can no longer go to the girls. Now I am a special case. Well, this time I am not the sanuk and fun-seeking boy. I come as a melancholy observer of the scene, who himself can no longer actively take part in the sanuk, in the fun. Stay tuned more to come

Munchmaster, yeah good info. Yes, I know. Once again, look here (google streetview): https://www.google.d...aTNEZ7UXWKw!2e0 I hope that I can meet there some good old – who do you say in English? - „buddies“ of the old and gone Washington Square. * Painter Mr. Richard Diran - diranart.com An interesting guy. * Author Christopher C. Moore; Author of the Calvino crime series and author of the book: "A killing smile". That was the „bible“ of many local expats in the nineties of last century. I met Mr. Moore in Deutschland when he was awarded the German Thriller Prize – or how that is called in English. That was in 2005 or so. I cannot remember. * Mr Dean Barrett, an interesting guy * Mr. Flashermac, OG, on this board, can speak some words in deutsch hahahaha * Khun Taffy – landlord of the “New Square One Pub†and the best guest - the best customer – of his own bar. * Well, Mr Kurt Francis, the voice of Bangkok, the master of the „squaronians“ of Washington Square. He checked out at the right time. A very big loss! An irreplaceable loss! But his spirit will always be there! I am sure. * Stickman, alias P*** O***. I met him together with Khun Sanuk at Nana Plaza and Stickman and I made some barhopping after our meeting, after our conversation. * Khun Sanuk alias M., the good old Dutch guy. * Maybe Mr. LoculYokul, active poster on various boards. I never met him, I don't know him personally. Perhaps I am lucky and meet him. * Maybe Mr. Munchmaster, active poster on various boards. I never met him, I don't know him personally. Perhaps I am lucky and meet him. ! Perhaps all the other guys of this board ! I just bought the ticket. I enter Suvarnabhumi on Monday 24. November 2014 15:15 local time. Greetings from Deutschland. Nasiadai alias Bakwahn Hamburg Bangkok Düsseldorf formaly PC-Support and Networkadministration