There are a surprising (not to me but the media) number of military vets among the Capital building terrorists. I've posted a few times of links that the military is worried about the number of white supremacist people among the ranks. I have older brothers who are vets, 2 served in wars as well as several cousins. My brother laughed. The kind of laugh of stating the obvious. 

To bee fair, JFKs election was stolen by the Democrats. The mafia rigged Illinois for JFK by over voting in Cook county, the county for Chicago. The 1948 election was murky. No solid proof but there were some machinations on both sides. 

Jimmy Carter wasn't a bad President. The right has tried (and successfully) rewrite his term in office. The one big mistake he did was not removing the embassy staff in time. The Shah was installed by America (and the Brits) and so he felt (rightfully so) an obligation to receive the Shah. 

People try to blame him for a bad economy he inherited rather than he started. America was economically in trouble since the early 70s. It started under Johnson in the mid 60s. The stock market high was in the mid 60s and didn't see a new high until the early to mid 80s. The person most responsible for the 80s recovery was Fed Chair Paul Volcker who cut interest rates massively which led the 1% money back to stocks, which gave companies a huge cash infusion. Volcker was a Carter appointment that Reagan got credit for. Reagan tax cuts heated up an already recovering economy on its own. Too much in fact which led to the 1987 crash. 

Carter's engineering of the peace treaty between Israel and Egypt was historical and transformative. It pre-empted any further multi lateral invasions of Israel. Egypt at the time was by far the biggest of the protagonists. And to be fair, the elder Bush wasn't fully responsible for the recession he endured as well. The overall economy was going through a normal retraction after close to a decade of over exuberance and it coincided with Japan's economy going into a still present lack of growth. 

McCain, as well as Romney are throwbacks to a better politician. I would add George W. Bush the elder to that type of person. It's also telling that all 3 dislike Trump. 

1 hour ago, buffalo_bill said:

I am not a Biden voter but happy. Since it comes from you I could swear it is total shit.

....and we are supposed to wish for Trump's return? My god...really? It's almost like saying "see what you have now?" to the guy who took over after Mussolini. The one thing I think Biden is stupid about and utterly so is thinking he can 'unify' the people who are hard core right and hard core Trump supporters. Just lead and be a president. Fuck wasting time trying to send olive branches. 

I think more "useful idiot" than anything else

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/perfect-target-russia-cultivated-trump-080040210.html

...who went to the Naval Academy,  served in the Navy and a governor of Georgia. 😏

She's from some small buttfuck district in Georgia....enough said. Her qualification? Her husband owns a local construction company. 

My word what an absolute moron. She's not just stupid as fuck, she's going to be voting and making decisions that affect us all. God save us. Her district, must be one big cluster fuck of idiots. No joke. If this is the best they can come up with, fuck them. Similar to King, the white supremacist in Iowa's seventh district that the GOP knew for a long time he was a racist prick but didn't do anything about until there is no choice. 

The Dems, as bad as they are do address bad behavior (Al Franken for example, who in hindsight should not have resigned). What makes her even worse she's hateful. She is the worst kind of 'karen'. What's with the GOP and dumb ass women (Palin anyone?). 

Biden wasn't even close to being my pick for President but he's at least being presidential. I don't want to ever, ever hear anything about AOC's intelligence EVER from a Republican. LOL

I don't believe its an act. Melania Rump...er..ah....Melania tRump, green card wife, mother an anchor baby and part of chain migration for her parents (see it works both ways Republicans)  is contemplating divorce. 

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/melania-trump-ex-friend-says-213239139.html

5 hours ago, Coss said:

Whilst there seems to be a lot of,  GOP sticking to their knitting (and Trump),  I reckon it's because they don't know what to do next. They may be a able to stoke the coals over this impeachment, but the systematic destruction of Trump, his (purported) Empire and those who cling to him, has begun and it's not stopping.

Sounds like you are saying their doing the right thing is not the immediate and only thing to do next. The Republican party has shown itself to be filled with one of 3 types at the present. 1. Actual fascists. 2. Going along with fascism, sedition and the like for political expediency or 3. Cowardly remaining silent, trying not to attract attention. Political version of hiding under the table until the political coast is clear. 

Not fit to govern. The party that talks the most about 'American exceptionalism', the rule of law, blah, blah, blah have been found out thanks to Trump. They are full of shit, with very, very few exceptions. They make the feckless Democrats look like the founding fathers in comparison. And that takes some doing. 

Stone soup has to be laughing his ass off right now looking at the comments. In the interest of full disclosure as I mentioned, I have bought into it about six years or so.

As well as some other ones. The pundits are saying anywhere from 50k to 100k this year and 300k to 500k by mid '20s. 

By that time the US and global economy will likely have had a massive crash. 

Bitcoin has won. People can argue against it, show skepticism but its won. Its nearing a trillion in market value and the 1 percent have bought in. The milennials, Gen y and exers were already on board. 

I do notice though, the almost all the skeptics are over 50. Just saying. 

Perhaps the beginnings of 'The Purge'?

\https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/fbi-ricky-vaughn-election-interference-022510898.html

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/13/politics/notable-arrests-capitol/index.html

https://www.justice.gov/opa/investigations-regarding-violence-capitol

Do we need to ask some of our members where they were on the night in question? 

His superiors are part of the plat for the Capital building insurrection sadly a couple of our forumites on here won't even acknowledge as bad. Sad. 

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/national-guard-commander-dc-says-164556439.html

I get it as an anecdotal example of something I said didn't happen but the voters of C still get to choose the person they want. It sounds (and correct me if I'm wrong and I often am), their primary choice didn't win so they can then vote for their 2nd choice. The person who got the most votes initially may not win but after the 2nd round of voting he didn't get most of the votes, unless I understand it incorrectly. 

...or they are factually correct but are hypocritical. Accuse a politician of the opposite party something that their own person does far more. I guarantee you one of the complaints will be about the national debt. Republicans run up the debt when they are in power and complain about it when the Dems do it. I don't like either running up the debt but its the hypocrisy of it all. 

My view is if you are not an honest actor, then I can't trust anything you say. Anything you say is suspect or has to be assumed untrue until proven true. I don't even like Biden. There are only two other Democrats in the primaries I considered a worse candidate (Bloomberg and Klobuchar). I'm not enthusiastic about his presidency but the alternative is not even worth considering. And trying this 'see Biden is bad' and when asked, "Okay, I agree, what is the alternative?" its crickets because socially you come off looking well....you already know. 

Socially in America if you are virulently pro Trump in areas that are not wholly red, you are looked at with caution. It is what it is. 

Anyway, its obvious the rule of law, morals, ethics, the constitution, the 'American' way', what ever that is, is secondary to outright fealty. The best thing about having Trump is he exposed exactly what kind of society conservatives want. Its basically an authoritarian society. Not much different than China or Russia. Its closer to North Korea than it is to New Zealand. 

I'm not saying if the Democrats got their way its shangri la. I fear elements of the fringe left  Life in America if they got their way isn't going to be idyllic either. But given the choice between the Scylla and Charybdis' of both parties the Democrats are far more preferable, even though I find the leadership incompetent and bought. 

2 hours ago, Coss said:

Are you Cav's idiot brother-son?

The thing is Coss, its not that people are misinformed. They straight out lie. They know the truth and rely on you or I not knowing the facts. 

Kellyanne Conway, peado kiddie porn of her own daughter. LOCK HER UP.....LOCK HER UP   

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/kellyanne-conway-accused-posting-topless-133900271.html

My esteem forumites. Notice how you NEVER hear who is a better alternative to Biden?

https://thegolfnewsnet.com/golfnewsnetteam/2020/12/30/how-many-times-president-donald-trump-played-golf-in-office-103836/

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-defends-golf-trips-falsely-claims-less-than-obama-2020-7   (July 2020, who the fuck knows how much more he did since.)

Trump defended his golfing trips as needed 'exercise' before claiming he spends less time on the course than Obama, despite counts that say otherwise

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-golf-crisis-barack-obama-us-election-2020-b1673677.html

Trump's history of attacking Obama for golfing in a crisis

ONLY in countries with rigged elections does the person with the most votes loses. If someone can name me any other country where that doesn't happen I'm all ears. 

1 hour ago, buffalo_bill said:

Gentlemen. I have been following the US election process for much more than a year now, lighting a couple of thousand candles for the victory of whomeever except Trump. So far satisfied.

 

Although I have to say the US election follows such a perverted system that it would really need a complete overhaul. Which shall never happen because the men and women in charge would not allow it in order to keep their seats warm for ever. Will Mdme Pelosi still be there when she is 120? The influence of money is a disgrace and finally the result depends on a few thousand voters in the swingstates. No good.

It won't get overhauled because the Republicans won't allow it. Its the ONLY way they can win a national election. The fact is the majority of the country are Democrats. That's a fact. No Republican has gotten more than the  Democrat in his first election since Bush in 1988. 

I'd be open to consider Ohio Republican Kucinich (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Kucinich) over BIden for example. Consider. Romney might even be better. Might. I'd have to hear him out. Maybe even Liz Cheney https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liz_Cheney

I look for integrity. Not only that but its very important to me. Of course effective ideas.