Bangkoktraveler

 

 

Are you trying to say we should borrow a lot more money?

 

 

No. Re read what I wrote. And again' date=' I know it is hard to do, but try NOT to think of it like your personal financial decisions. These are nation states.[/quote']

 

 

Borrowing from China, Japan, Brazil, UK, Russia, Switzerland, etc. sounds like a good political tactic. Having China as our banker keeps the Chinesse of our back and keeps them as our 'friend' but this type of policy is not very wise.

 

The money the USA collects from revenue is exactly what the government spends for Health and Human Services, Social Security and the Treasury.

 

The money we borrow is used to run the rest of the Federal government.

 

If we hadn't borrowed and mismanaged money so badly, instead of going into debt each year as the world's greatest debtor nation, [color:red]we could have been operating in the black with a 35% less tax burden on the people. [/color]

 

So can I say you actually believe it is wise for a government to spend 50% more then they take in and to accumulate one of the largest debts the world has ever seen?

 

Being you have a 'clue' I guess this will not be a difficult answer for you.

 

 

It's not. Just takes a look at world economics from a non-reactionary position over the past say 2 centuries.

 

But you also have to temper that look with the knowledge rules that you and I have to follow as private citizens do not and have never applied to nation states.

 

Note: I never said it was wise. I just said it is done and is not "very unstable." Try to look at it from the other side. What would be the benefit from the US owing the world a lot of money.... (Take a bit to think about it. I'll tell you if you need me to' date=' but I bet you can see it after a few mins... if that long!)[/quote']

 

 

Are you trying to say we should borrow a lot more money?

 

Or would you say we would be in a lot better shape as a nation if we hadn't borrow any money and hadn't spent all the money we borrowed from the Social Security and Medicare funds?

I found cock fighting interesting in Isaan. In the USA they fight till one cock is dead. The fights I have seen in Isaan are not like that. They clean up their respective cocks and take them home.

No... I'm saying you obviously have no clue what you are talking about.

But as obviously you have a clue' date=' would you mind explaining the numbers then ?

 

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Sure. Governments dont work like normal people do, so you can not compare the two which is what you are doing.

 

The US has been a debtor nation since the beginning. And it almost always will be as long as it has to pay to defend the rest of you. The thing is, push comes to shove, that debt is just paper and can be nullified with the stroke of a pen.

 

Again, nation states dont work by the same rules the rest of us have to. Just ask China.

 

 

 

So can I say you actually believe it is wise for a government to spend 50% more then they take in and to accumulate one of the largest debts the world has ever seen?

 

Being you have a 'clue' I guess this will not be a difficult answer for you. :hubba:

No... I'm saying you obviously have no clue what you are talking about.

But as obviously you have a clue' date=' would you mind explaining the numbers then ?

 

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Sure. Governments dont work like normal people do, so you can not compare the two which is what you are doing.

 

The US has been a debtor nation since the beginning. And it almost always will be as long as it has to pay to defend the rest of you. The thing is, push comes to shove, that debt is just paper and can be nullified with the stroke of a pen.

 

Again, nation states dont work by the same rules the rest of us have to. Just ask China.

 

 

 

In 1835 the USA government was in debt for $33,733.05.

 

I would say the government back then was very responsible in lowering her debt. 19 years prior, in 1816, the debt had grown to $127,334,933.74.

 

Fortunately for us our elected officials in just 19 years had reduced the debt burden accurred from the War of 1812 from [color:red]$127 million[/color] to [color:red]$34 thousand dollars[/color]. These government officials did a fantastic job in handling their fiscal responsibility!

 

Governments, especially our own government, should realize that if we fight a war we have to pay (dearly) for the cost of the war.

 

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Germany in 1920 had similar debt ratios as the USA has today. They decided to print more money. It didn't work.

 

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Governments don't operate like businesses..... but they should!

No... I'm saying you obviously have no clue what you are talking about.

But as obviously you have a clue' date=' would you mind explaining the numbers then ?

 

BB[/quote']

 

 

I would like an explanation also. Maybe it is the soma?

The USA is very unstable.

 

 

 

WaaaHahahahahah!!!!! {breath} HAHahahahahahahaha..!!!!

So are you saying bringing in 2.2 trillion and spending 3.8 trillion with a 14 trillion debt load is very stable?

It is like a person making $22,000 a year and at the same time spends $38,000 while owing $140,000 in long term debts. Not very good. Agree?

The USA is very unstable. As far as other parts of the world, one might be leaving one frying pan for another.

As for the USA, what our government has done to Social Security and Medicare is a national disgrace. Just on that ground, our government can not be trusted.

We might be doomed.

I have told TSA that the only terrorist I see is them.

Federal Income tax came about during the civil war. If it wasn't for the Federal income tax, the Union might have lost.

What business wants shit in their store?

The Federal Budget looks like a walking landmine field.

The amount for Health and Human Services, Social Security and the money the Treasury dishes out just happens to be what the country brings in from all sources - 2.2 trillion dollars. We are spending far more then what we bring in and our accumulative debt load now is up to 14 trillion.

Our numbers seem to match up nicely in proportion to Germany's figures in 1920.

Nothing new for the USA. Our right to assembly has been dramatically diminished.

Next, I can see a Snake Plissken statue in Central Park.

In Tucson, Arizona they have a rattlesnake bridge that ..... goes nowhere.

The Robocop TV show was one of my favorites.

Proposed White House budget: 3.651 trillion.

Money for Health and Human Services .8956 trillion

Money for Social Security: .8031 trillion

Money for treasury: .4673 trillion

Money just for those 3 emtities is 2.166 trillion

..........that is 60% of the budget.

The amount of these 3 entities should be close to zero if the government was managed properly.

I think we are screwed.

Ok so? Again, nothing we did not know.

 

Why is this not a different thread by the way?

USA citizens don't like being duped espeially into a bogus war.

Remember the yellow cake scares? Iraq had yellow cake but nobody told anybody yellow cake is not worth anything and not dangerous.

 

 

I am surprised it got reported. Anything over $10' date='000 is fair game.

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No it's not.

 

 

You should come to Arizona and let the people know those who had their money totalling over $10,000 was illegal. Some cops are willing to seize amount smaller then $10,000.

[color:red]Two TSA agents busted at JFK Airport for stealing $160,000 from checked bags[/color]

 

 

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I have said for some time these characters are thieves but most people have dismissed that thought as pure poppy cock.

Who the fark puts $39K into their baggage? Can you say, dumb azz...

 

Two TSA agents arrested at JFK Airport for stealing $39K from passenger's bag

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2011/02/16/2011-02-16_two_tsa_agents_arrested_at_jfk_airport_for_stealing_39k_from_passengers_bag.html

 

I am surprised it got reported. Anything over $10,000 is fair game.

With several countries having coups agitated by facebook, do the the overthrown countries have to still pay the debts the 'older' government had acquired?

If they don't have to honor previous debt, this would be a great way for the USA to get out from under her debt load.

Gee' date=' HH, ya think that maybe, just maybe, healthcare costs factor into it? That maybe auto manufacturers are happy to have Canada's "commie fucktard socialist" healthcare plan so much that they would move assembly jobs just across the river to Windsor? Ya think??

 

Tighten the latches on your bunker, and chew on that big boy![/quote']

 

 

 

Not taking sides against you, chap, but you would not know it from the BMW and Merk and Honda plants in the Southern US..... All less than 20 years old. And the BMW place in SC just announced plans to double in size. Which shoots your assumption all to hell.

 

 

[color:red]In the South, foreign auto plants are all non-union.[/color] So they don't have to provide UAW benefits, including their health insurance plans.

 

WRT the Canadian trade agreement, that is old news. What is not old news is how quickly medical costs have risen at US based UAW plants, and how it is still at zero in Canadian UAW plants. Worth close to $20k per worker in cost savings. So while Detroit dies on the vine, factories in Windsor continue to not only do well, but expand

 

I'd say "back to you HH", but I have obviously offended his California pension-sucking chicken shit ass, and he has put me on ignore. Gee, i am soooo offended.

 

 

The foreign plants on US soil also make profits which get shuffled back to the homeland, not the USA.

I only saw RFuckstick's comment cuz it was included in your response.

 

The primary reason for U.S. vehicle companies producing cars and trucks in Canada has nothing to do with fringe benefits. It was due to a trade treaty entered into between Canda and the U.S. back in the 60's. It was a win-win for both Canadian workers and the U.S. auto industry. (My cousin made a small fortune due to this agreement. Not bad for a guy who dropped out of community college (or flunked out :content: ) and got involved in brokering Canadian-made truck parts.

 

The "win" for Canada was more and better-paying blue-collar jobs, access to U.S. made cars/models without paying high tariffs, and balancing it's trade imbalance with the U.S. The "win" for U.S. auto companies was dramatically increasing sales of it's products in Canada. [color:red]It's capitalism at it's best.[/color] :content:

 

So don't be fooled (and I know you aren't) by someone's idea that this exchange has anything to do with health care.

 

HH

Your logic behoves you Master HH.

Before our manufacturing base disappeared, the mining base disappeared. Have you ever run your logic on former miners and machinist?

And another thread for Darth Vader.

If you want.

 

But if you read just my posts' date=' which are not very long esp compared to some, you will see that I am for health insurance but not a law that makes you a criminal if you dont have it, nor that will force a small business to either fire employees or go out of business.[/quote']

 

Sadly, we will not be hearing from Allistar anymore. I received a PM this morning that he had taken his own life and that it was a self-inflicted action. If enough are interested, I'll post the contents of the PM here.

 

HH

 

 

Does that mean you can put another notch on your gun?