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Understood... but for me this article begets the question are the numbers real anywhere?? UK, China Germany??? and where by he way is Germanys gold that the FED "may have" My point is that the corruption is rampant-thx for listening

I often think that. While Thailand portrays itself as a developing country it thinks and acts like a third world one. It is non-democratic where the money rules. The current battle between the old and the new money is evidaence of that. And the level of corruption keeps it in a questionable state. Solution.........fark nose. What I do know is that the problem of corruption in developing countries simply cannot be resolved by applying structures that work in developed countries." Agreed and well put . "

Our “Make It Look Good†Economy Has Failed Posted on May 29, 2014 by Charles Hugh Smith — 4 Comments ↓ When rigged numbers are the basis of our success, we have failed. The essence of the U.S. economy is make it look good: never mind quality or long-term consequences, just make it look good today, this week, this month, this quarter: make the pink slime look like meat, make the company look profitable, make the low-quality product look good enough to close the sale, make the unemployment rate low enough to justify re-electing the toadies currently in power, make the body count of bad guys look good, and on and on–just makes the numbers look good now, the future will take care of itself. This is, of course, an attractive lie: the future is a direct consequence of present decisions and actions. It is remarkable how quickly we latch onto the notion that an endless parade of lies, manipulations and deceptions will magically produce a warm and fuzzy future of organic growth fostered by sound investments. Free 15-Minute Retirement PlanFor Investors Who Have a $500K+ Portfolio, Download Now!Portfolio, Download Now! by Swoop Powered by Swoop Alas, an economy that relies on an endless parade of lies, manipulations and deceptions has only one possible future: failure–abject, total, undeniable, devastating. Equally remarkable is the current conviction that absurd extremes in manipulation–the billions of dollars of corporate buybacks pushing stocks higher, the socialization of the U.S. mortgage market, where privately issued mortgages (unbacked by government guarantees) have virtually vanished, the ginned-up unemployment number (remove enough potential workers from the count and the unemployment rate is soon near-zero)–will magically lead to an economy that no longer needs extreme manipulations to sustain itself. All these lies (if we are bold enough to call a lie a lie) and manipulations cannot possibly herald in an economy of honest reporting, market discovery of price and sound investments. This is equivalent to doing nothing but eating junk food while playing martial-arts videogames for months on end and then expecting to beat Tony Jaa in a real-world sparring match. Only people who’ve lost touch with reality would think that getting fat and wheezy playing videogames while eating Happy Meals and Ho-Hos would create a future that required an entirely different set of decisions and disciplines. America is completely out of touch with reality: gaming statistics and making credit free to financiers doesn’t create jobs, any more than stuffing one’s face with junk food and playing videogames prepares one to avoid getting beaten to a pulp in a real martial arts match. The misguided individual who reckons that foisting make it look good cons will magically create productive investments soon discovers that cons, lies and manipulations are all one-way streets: a make it look good con has only one future: a bigger con, to cover up the disastrous consequences of the initial con. The U.S. economy won’t fail in the future: it has already failed. Just as the delusional coach-potato who stuffs himself with Happy Meals and Ho-Hos to prepare for a real-world sparring match failed at the first bite, so too have we failed with the first lie, the first gamed statistic, the first Federal Reserve manipulation, the first fudged “profit.†Liars often entertain the fantasy that the initial make it look good illusion can eventually be replaced with real numbers and real integrity: but that too is a lie, a lie the liar tells himself. A house of cards constructed of lies, manipulations, fudged numbers, ginned-up statistics and cleverly constructed deceptions cannot suddenly become a structure built on integrity, accountability and honest reporting of facts; it will always be fragile, for a single truth and a single unvarnished fact can bring down the entire contraption. This is where our endless parade of lies, manipulations and deceptions has led us: to a future of more lies, manipulations and deceptions because untruth is a black hole; once our first manipulation pushes us past the event horizon, there is no way back to honesty, accountability and factual reporting. Officially sanctioned lies, manipulations and deceptions erode trust in institutions and the bedrock belief that honesty, integrity, accountability, hard work and productive investments are the keys to advancement. Once a people have been trained to swallow an endless parade of lies, manipulations and deceptions in order to get their share of the system’s swag, they lose the ability to practice accountability, integrity and honesty. Their own complicity renders them incapable of trusting the system or anyone else playing the make it look good game. Eventually they lose the ability to even recognize accountability, integrity and honesty, much less live them. America’s economy has already failed. It failed when our leaders turned to lies and manipulation to make it look good, and it failed when we bought the lies because it was so much less risky than demanding a factual accounting. When rigged numbers are the basis of our success, we have failed Do I trust the US government to tell the truth? Negative SIR! UK ET SAME SAME

The broader market value often escapes locals in their greed to get immediate cash. Srivijai Mon or Hindu period artifacts are extremely valuable although the market is very esoteric and rather small.

Is he correct about 1-4?

I just got a call from my best friend in BKK who said the curfew is 1 AM until 4 AM, that the Army is firmly in control and when do I arrive??

Golden treasure hoard found in Phattalung + The Fine Arts Department will take control of the field where an ancient hoard of buried gold was found in Phattalung’s Khao Chaison district last weekend, sparking a local, frenzied rush to dig up the treasure. This gold piece weighed about a kilogramme.M The gold cache was uncovered after the land owner hired a backhoe to prepare the ground to plant four-rai of oil palm trees. After heavy rain last Saturday, the land owner and workers planting the trees came across a buried hoard of gold. The news spread and a gold rush followed with hundreds of people from nearby villages and even nearby provinces rushing to dig for a share of the treasure. Many treasure hunters emerged with gold sheets engraved with figures, coins and ornaments of different sizes -- from one baht-weigh of gold to almost a kilogramme apiece. The treasure hunt continued until Wednesday night, and by then no one was finding any more gold, although the holes they dug were getting quite deep. Wi Tubsaeng, the land owner, said he has asked villagers to leave the area and will put up a sign prohibiting people from digging in there. This would allow officials from the Fine Arts Department to work in the area. Police had been asked earlier to prevent the digging but villagers outnumbered the police, so Mr Wi said he had to let them hunt for the gold. Fine Arts Department director-general Anek Sihamart and officials from the department’s office in Nakhon Si Thammarat went to examine the site and some of the recovered gold. They said the gold was real and the square sheets depicted the story of the Churning of the Milk Ocean, part of Hindu mythology, and were 700-800 years old. Mr Anek said the gold treasure dug up from the ground was considered national property, so people who found it should hand it in to the department, which would pay one-third of the value, which was expected to be at least 10 times higher than the market price for gold. It was up to the people who found it whether they wanted to give the gold to the department or not. The department would send officials to excavate the area and search for clues as to the origin of such a valuable treasure. In addition to the gold, villagers also found some antique utensils Samart Nuoun, village chief in tambon Khao Sonchai, said most of the gold found was 10-20cm under the surface and was in square sheets 5X5cm. Supakorn Chuayphom, 32, from a nearby village, said he found one gold sheet of about two baht-weight (about one ounce), which he sold for more than 40,000 baht. Yok Phetcharta, 77, a villager in tambon Khok Muang of Khao Sonchai district, said her parents and some elderly people in her area said the spot where the gold was found was originally wetland forest. She believed that the treasure belonged to Malaysian people who had planned to donate the gold to cover the top of a pagoda at Wat Phra Mahathat Woramahawihan in Nakhon Si Thammarat province. Anat Bamrungwong, director of Fine Arts office in Nakhon Si Thammarat, said the size and the thickness of the gold sheets match those used to cover the pagoda at Wat Phra Mahathat Woramahawihan, which also told a story about the construction of the pagoda in 1093. However, some villagers thought the treasure hoard was left behind by Japanese soldiers who had set up camp in that area to supervise the construction of Phetkasem Road during World War II. TIT On one hand the Fine Arts Dept. says it all belongs to the state yet is up to the individual whether to turn it in... Fascinating what is still underground ALL OVER S. E Asia-

"More like: OK children, it's going to be like this, we're going to sort out these problems and we're going to do it now. You can be in the team and be helpful, or, we have other options for you. Now what do you want to do? " I agree Coss well said. My sense is that Prayuth is obviously socially and politicallysmart enough to know that a democratic path is the only answer. The path getting there is nontheless frought with peril.

Frankly I had no idea that was the case in the UK for such accidents Back in the states it would be probably be the slammer or litigation from the family members for years... In any event ,a very sad accident.

As I have stated in several posts I am 100% in favor of free elections and a solid Democratic system. Give it rest pal.

Jesus 1,000 Baht fine WTF? Two dead Brits.

:grinyes:Good one :grinyes:.

Good one ...caught dead to rights

Breaks my heart.

That would be wonderful...

Well done.

Thanks Waerth this is most interesting if it all happened as described. This reminds me as I have said before of the 91-92 period... The question of what is absolutely verifiable is always a central issue in informing ones self. As an American I am fairly sure a lot of MSM is simply controlled. I am not referring to this article but in general worldwide

Obviously the eventual "success" of this coup or military intervention will hinge entirely on reinstating an ongoing system of fair and democratic elections that yes acknowledges all Thais. This will be extremely difficult given the enormous division and the very deep level of corruption(.IMO the same could be said of the US.) But life marches on.. Play nice.

"One of the best sources I find to be taxi drivers." I frequently chat them up for opinions/info as well while trying to remain neutral.

I personally do not comment to Thais unless we are very very old good friends(its a small but good group ) I generally say Mai sawb or mai pood krab Many of the solid comments on this board are misunderstood or denigrated Oh well Mai pen rai

Also probably because the police were being paid not to look.

Interesting how this is all happening so readily now after the coup. Hmm.

Well it would just be great IF the famers finally get paid Obviously this could have happened with far greater expediency Ms Ying did no pull it together

That's my perspective as well and has been for a long time. :dunno: