pattaya127 Posted September 16, 2002 Report Share Posted September 16, 2002 laohuli, maybe others, can you give the final and authoritative calendar of lunar month affixed to the roman calendar. Many book guides tell you about this or that festival happening on the so or so lunar month, full moon, waxing moon, etc.... great additon if one of you can put this calendar riddle black on white. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 17, 2002 Report Share Posted September 17, 2002 P127...this can be confusing especially in Asia. Basically there are 13 Lunar months in the year. Any reasonable calendar will mark the individual dates. The lunar month begins with the new moon in each month. Trick gets to be when they think the year starts. Thailand would appear to use the western Roman system with the New Year beginning on Jan 1. China starts it's year on the first new moon after Jan. Vietnam starts its year on Tet. etc. etc. Greek Church still uses the Julian Calendar etc. There are many arcane and esoteric lunar calendars (some of 12 months and some of 13 months) often used by astrologers and other occult students. No doubt one could spend many years studying all the variations. But that could make you a Lunatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brink15 Posted September 20, 2002 Report Share Posted September 20, 2002 OK, So given that Chinese New Year often occurs in February it would make sense that it would be the first full moon after January. But why? Why January? One would assume that this tradition is millennia old, why the first full moon after January? When is Tet? Thai New Year is set for April 13th, why? Enquiring minds want to know. (No really this stuff is interesting. It's like the language thread where the Thai words for mother and father are por and mair and have nothing to do with European languages. There is a link that goes back much farther. Why is Sunday phra athit in Thai? Phra Athit of course being the Sun. This was not based on a Roman calendar so why the connection? As I say interesting, no?") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 20, 2002 Report Share Posted September 20, 2002 Many calendars are based starting on the Winter solstice, as that is an easily observed universal event. For an intro in to calendars try: http://webexhibits.org/calendars/index.html Have fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattaya127 Posted September 20, 2002 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2002 pra athit -------------------- could it be that thais were not counting the 7 days of the week before the many arrivals of foreign tradesmen, then picked up the name from the english? In France, we say DIMANCHE, wish has nothing to do with the sun, so clearly some influences there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
check_bin_krap Posted September 20, 2002 Report Share Posted September 20, 2002 Tet is the same time as Chinese new year Brink. Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brink15 Posted September 21, 2002 Report Share Posted September 21, 2002 CBK, That's what I always thought, but LaoHuLi's post made it seem like they were seperate things. I was told the Vietnamese adopted the Chinese new year as a result of centuries of Chinese iinfluence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brink15 Posted September 21, 2002 Report Share Posted September 21, 2002 LHL, OK, that makes sense. And I already knew that was the basis of the Gregorian calender's use of January 1st. Based on that website the Chinese new year factors in lunar phases as well. I'm still wondering why Thai new year is in April? Maybe something to do with Buddhism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brink15 Posted September 21, 2002 Report Share Posted September 21, 2002 OK, I've found the answers to my own question. From "More Thai Ways" by Denis Segaller: "Songkran or the ancient New Year has to do with the Sun, not the Moon; it marks the transition of the Sun from the Zodiac Sign of Aries into that of Taurus ('Rasi Meen' to 'Rasi Mayt' in Thai)" That explains it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brink15 Posted September 21, 2002 Report Share Posted September 21, 2002 P127, I believe if you could get back to the pre-Christian roots of French language you would find a different name for that day, if in fact the days had names then. I found a chart that compares the various days of the week and the planets or bodies for which they are named. As an example (since I don't feel like typing the whole table) Monday = Moon day in Thai: Wun Jan (the Moon is Phra Jan) in Sanskrit: Chandra war (same connection) in late Latin: Lunae Dies (same) in Italian: Lundei (same) in Spanish: Lunes (same) in French: Lundi (same) This holds true for every day except Sunday in predominantly Catholic countries. Weird. I can understand the European connections, probably rooted in ancient Rome and Greece, but Sanskrit? Hmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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